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Colette Meiji
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10-25-2007 12:32
From: Michael Bigwig No see...that's the problem here. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too...you can't have both at the same time...
You can't use 'gay' as meaning happy and homosexual at the same time...it's impossible. Just as it is saying something is 'ghey' and homosexual at the same time too...
Why is that so hard to understand? Huh? I thought you were a writer. Surely you understand what a metaphor is? ---------- Gay was originally a term for being happy. It was later used to the "flaming" nature attributed to homosexual men. (only some of course) Thing is "Thats gay" is a negative connotation. A negative metaphor. Where "she's gay" is simply stating sexual preference.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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10-25-2007 12:33
From: Michael Bigwig Oh give me a break...when I say the word 'ghey' in a gaming sense...I, nor my gay friends, are reminded of any sort of persecution...don't be dramatic.
That's like saying the word Christian, and instantly being reminded of persecution...the word 'gay' isn't a negatively loaded word....it's just another word for homosexual...it isn't even a negative one--it's totally neutral. So why would you think about all the bad things 'gay' people have endured when using the word?
Makes no sense. Huh? If we lived in a time or place where Christians had been persecuted in living memory and someone who could possibly belong to the general group that thought that persecution was ok started using the word Christian as a derogatory term I think most of us WOULD be reminded of that persecution. I'd be willing to accept the word "ghey" as a synonym for "lame" if I could be sure it were not derived from the word "gay" meaning homosexual and different from us in a way that means we can put them down. But the fact that you and your friends aren't reminded of anything painful doesn't really prove to me that no one is.
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Amaranthim Talon
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10-25-2007 12:33
From: Okiphia Rayna There is a linden with a rabbit av.. but i think its purple.. dun remember which, but I saw it while searching for lindens out of boredom... How does one find random Lindens? and why? Never met one. "Course, haven't been here that long so maybe that's why...
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:33
From: Oryx Tempel Last I checked (30 seconds ago) "ghey" isn't in Merriam-Webster. Neither is 'homo', but that's a word. I use that as an example...not in a negative way.
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Har Fairweather
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10-25-2007 12:33
Problem here is that the word gay has indeed taken on another permutation - originally among adolescents but now advancing past college-age as its users grow older. This usage does mean something like "lame" - a dismissive rejection of something or someone. It's a good guess that it descends from the use of gay to mean homosexual, since it seemed to originate among adolescents, many of whom wrestle with gender identity issues as they achieve puberty, and would be inclined to reject anything "gay" for that reason. But it has long since gone beyond any such original derivation and no longer carries a connotation of homosexuality among those who use it in this sense. Homosexuals may not like this misadaptation of "their" word (and I am not very happy with it either, because of the presumed derivation), but it looks like they are going to have to get used to it, because the usage is growing.
Second problem is, homosexuals have more or less officially been designated a Protected Class among the Politically Correct. Gay is now the new Black - er, Afro-American - and especially among those who want to wield Political Correctness like a bludgeon. Such folks are particularly obsessed with words as such - it seems to be what they principally deal in - and are quick to tell everyone else what words they may or may not use.
Brenda is right - the original person calling the CSI program gay obviously meant it in the sense of dismissive rejection, and the people raising such a hullabaloo here seem much too quick to pounce on and denounce someone for discrimination. Complaining about the usage and wanting people to drop it is legitimate. The venom we see here is getting over the top - probably because there are so few excuses in these forums to ride the Moral Superiority hobbyhorse and Strike A Blow For Tolerance, Justice and Uniformity of Thought - Our Way. To adopt a bit of British and American usage, such folks really should go light up a queer fag (look it up), take a drag, and mellow out a bit.
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-25-2007 12:34
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:35
From: Colette Meiji Huh?
I thought you were a writer.
Surely you understand what a metaphor is?
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Gay was originally a term for being happy. It was later used to the "flaming" nature attributed to homosexual men. (only some of course)
Thing is "Thats gay" is a negative connotation. A negative metaphor.
Where "she's gay" is simply stating sexual preference. Or 'she's gay' means 'she's happy'...why can't you see the word has multiple meanings, both negative and positve, that have nothing to do with sexual prefernce? Why is that so hard to digest?
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:36
Thank you thank you thank you. Jeepers. Whew. There are many ways to use a word...it's the context of it that we should be aware of...in all other ways...it's just a 'word.' People are very sensitive however, and sometimes find it too easy to place blame when it isn't warranted.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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10-25-2007 12:38
From: Okiphia Rayna I'm lumped into the group known as 'GLBT', and have many gay friends (And other orientations as well) and honestly, I see far less people having problems with it than people who speak out against it seem to know about. I am encouraged to hear it. We've come a long way already if there are now gays and lesbians who have had so little problems with being accepted that this isn't even an issue for them. When it is no longer an issue for anyone I'll shut up.
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Colette Meiji
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10-25-2007 12:39
From: Michael Bigwig Thank you thank you thank you. Jeepers. Whew. Actually use "Ghey" in that "dictionary" reference. Seems People dont agree whether it involves homosexuals or not. The ones who say it does have received more "up" votes. It really comes off as some people trying to get away with using a homosexual slur by rationalizing it, and then some others buying into it.
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Strife Onizuka
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10-25-2007 12:42
Source: AR Reason: Trolling, Off-topic Action: Lock This is why we can't have nice things. Forum GuidelinesFlaming, Spamming, Trolling – Flaming (posting a message that is intended to incite anger or directly attack a person or persons), Spamming (multiple posts of the same topic or discussion), and Trolling (a post with an intentionally contrary opinion written with the intent of inciting or getting argumentative opinions) are strongly discouraged. If you think your post might be over-reactive, or that it might fall into one of these definitions, please reconsider posting.
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