Ok, can someone just tell me what is wrong with me?

okay, then go enjoy the place THEY created and qwuit complaining

even when you are being suppported you argue it. i'm confused. what are we supposed to be doing for you, here?

So we're right back where we started. It's their fault you didn't do it because they weren't interested enough to convince you that it could work while you were arguing it wouldn't. Although they were interested enough to do it while you were gone and you see this as a slap in the face. -shrugs- I give up. Someone convince me to keep making my point here. (No, don't. Seriously. I know when I'm beating my head against a wall.)

In any discussion if you just keep making the same point you will be beating your head against a wall!

Yes, it's a slap because responding with _one_ _line_ of opposition to the argument would have been all they needed, much less effort than making it themselves. Bear in mind that if they were interested/involved, it certainly would have worked.

huh?

Yumi it seems you wanted someone to tell you how wonderful it was and how they wished they had that idea and it will make you a fortune. From what you showed us of the chat they have done nothing wrong, I will assume they are not mind readers and knew you were looking for them to praise you up , they did NOT dismiss you, you did that.
It seems now you want us on that small amount of info to tell you he is evil for stealing your idea. If you had your convictions of your idea noting would of stopped you but since you took a break then on can assume you were not really all for it.
To quote my kids " build a bridge and get over it"

An entrepreneur sells their ideas to people, they don't set up a debate. The "job" of the idea person is to sell the idea.

Imagine if Walt Disney had caved in the first time someone told him his cartoons weren't any good (or, in the case of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, when they were taken from their creator!), or that making a full-length animated cartoon was a foolish idea, or that no one would want a "Disney amusement park?" He did those things with plenty of people telling him they were terrible ideas -- and he found success in spite of his detractors.

I may never make a living at SL. Heck, it's not entirely my goal when I'm inworld -- but when I have an idea or desire, I will follow it passionately. People can say it's silly, they can do whatever (an let's face it, I have taken my share of guff from people f'r bein' a kid!) -- but I doubt anyone will tell you that I'm not passionate about things I believe in, or that I don't follow my heart!

What I'm saying is this: Yumi, if you have an idea you believe in -- do it. To me, it sounds like yer being your own worst enemy.

I wasn't looking for praise (or for money). What I was looking for was that they were interested. They claimed to be interested but then failed to act like an interested person on the fourth line.

As for building a bridge, this has happened so often that the bridge would stretch across my whole SL, leaving me frozen out and looking down forevermore...

What do I want from this thread? I'm not sure. You could YouTube search for "fight club human sacrifice", I suppose.

I agree, what you quoted was my interpretation of what she was saying. It seemed like she was expecting this other person to sell her on her own idea, which is completely backwards.

Marianne,

This isn't the same as a detractor though. This is:

Walt: I'm going to make a full length cartoon film.
They: Great, that sounds good!
Walt: Come see the early screening!
They: Meh, I need to wax my cat.

(note, of course walt is lying at line 3, he hasn't made the cartoon yet)

based on this confession (and assuming you are Walt), i concede that the other party has done nothing wrong.

Some creative people were told the following. Where would we be today if they listened?


Radio has no future.
- Lord Kelvin, British mathematician and physicist.


This `telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a practical form of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.
- Western Union internal memo, 1878

What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives travelling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
- The Quarterly Review, England (March 1825)


So in the future when you have an idea, believe in yourself and go for it.

I was not lying.

Plus, how can anything that shuts me down not be wrong?

Yumi, you shut yourself down, they just id not argue with you when you did.

Welcome back to SL, enjoy it and have a good time. Next time, trust your own instincts don't wait for others to validate your ideas. Take risks, have fun and shoot for the moon..

.d

No, because I wasn't shut down when I made that statement. I was effectively asking them if it would work or not and their No answer shut it down.

I know All of the "shoot for the moon" stuff is tatamae by the way

It can be if you make it so..

.d

Yumi just how long was this other person to go on convincing you you had an idea worth going ahead wit?

I can see it now
You: Oh i dont know its ok but not sure it will take off
Them: Its a great idea
You: Nah its not that good
Them: yes it is its fantastic you should run with it
You: you think so ? Nah your just saying that
Them: no i think it is

Sorry Yumi you did not think your idea was good enough you did not have the convictions of your ways. Stop using Hind sight to see what may have been you stuffed up so get over it and move on

No, it is. People are only saying it because there is a societal more in SL that they should. You would have to know me a bit better to make a honne encouragement.

The statement was nothing to do with the quality of the idea, it was a sincerity check (they could have answered "but I just said I liked it!" plus a request for help (they could have said "we'll make it work!"

Lias, I pronounce you the winner of this thread.


Yumi, you feel that you would have succeeded with your idea if only this other person had said, "I think it'll work great; let me help you make that happen."

And that might be true. But I don't understand why you believe this other person was obliged to make that offer.

You are the one responsible for giving up on the project. The other person actually made it work. The 90% perspiration really is more important than the 10% inspiration.

Well, I can see why you feel the way you do.. You asked for help in an open forum so take what you can get.

Have fun Yumi..

.d

Wait a minute.....

This is absurd. One conversation....with ONE person......that doesn't edify your idea and encourage you.......and now it's their fault? I could understand your being upset......if you had maybe talked to 20 or 30 people who weren't enthused.......and you could have drawn a more informed conclusion from their reaction. But, no....sorry luv......this does not work. It is NOONE'S responsibility but your own.
It's a very prickly life lesson to learn for a lot of people (that thing called responsibility)........but at least in SL the consequences are padded a bit. But you're not going to convince anyone here that this other person did anything wrong. If it was a matter of needing their skills.......well....again.....you could have pursued other avenues and found other people with those skills........or was it the money.......if you were relying on someone elses financial support then.....never a good idea to begin with. If you don't have it to invest, it's noone else fault.

But, since you are vague as to just how critical this person was to YOUR idea (which apparently they had no problem initiating themselves) then we are left with only one conclusion. You want to blame someone else for something you didn't do, and now wish you did do...... Doesn't work......never works......next time you have an idea.....don't wait for the right reaction to follow thru with it.....just do it. That's how tings get done.

Right. But if it would have worked I was prepared to do that. They falsely told me it would not (or, that there was no doubt it would not). Persuasion is in their court, and they can always ask Tyler.

If you put more faith in a person you dont really know ( ill assume you only know this person in SL ) then you have made your bed so to speak. Accept you screwed up you should of went ahead if you felt the idea was good . You didnt go ahead so you had doubts.

If you did go ahead and it failed would you also blame this person for that ?

/me notes that getting to know me apparantly isn't an option.

Of course I don't think people will be interested when they are so standoffish and of course this person was talking from the end of an IM..

You're misreading that fourth line. It doesn't mean they're not interested in the idea. It means they're not interested in talking you out of your misgivings.