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Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2008 11:15
From: Senga Tsarchon
The actual website created to dispense the free credit report required by law is www.annualcreditreport.com.

The other sites one sees advertised offer a free credit report as part of a sales pitch, and may require that you sign up for a service in order to get the report.

Just so y'all know.

Caveat Browser

Yes I know about freecreditreport.com being a paid service. I actually do pay the monthly fee because I'm working on improving my credit up to an excellent rating (it's good now, but it could go higher) so that I can get a low rate on a house in 2 years. I've actually had some surprising things pop up; one of the 3 credit rating companies suddenly listed me as having $3302 in credit card debt, when it's actually $0. It's nice to have a service that checks this stuff for me daily, and alerts me if it finds any changes.
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05-06-2008 11:16
my password is a secret.
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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05-06-2008 11:18
From: Kattharina Carter
Chaos wrote that he had a 19-character password. NO one is going to break that unless they have a Cray. But he posted that he logged in in internet cafés. Dumb. This isn't about LL's security. Had Chaos had a username that wasn't his avatar name, the same result would have occurred.

Practice safe surfing.
Standard consumer machines can test hundreds of thousands of passwords per second, and programs like the ones listed here ( http://www.schneier.com/essay-148.html ) use some pretty smart and well-proven methods to achieve better efficiency even on commodity hardware.

For example, that page mentions just one of the ways that password-cracking programs achieve better success rates : "AccessData's secret sauce is the order in which it runs the various root and appendage dictionary combinations. The company's research indicates that the password sweet spot is a seven- to nine-character root plus a common appendage, and that it's much more likely for someone to choose a hard-to-guess root than an uncommon appendage."

Rather than computing power, the biggest limiting factor is probably the time it takes for each test confirmation over the wire to the LL servers, and makes me wonder (since I don't remember hearing about it) if Linden Lab tracks failed logins or has any sort of detection method in place for such things.

[EDIT] I should point out that I doubt his password was cracked, I'd be willing to bet my entire L$ balance that the true explanation is far simpler and more mundane :)


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05-06-2008 11:18
From: 3Ring Binder
my password is a secret.

'a secret'?

/me goes and shoves that into the SL login
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05-06-2008 11:21
From: RobbyRacoon Olmstead
... and makes me wonder (since I don't remember hearing about it) if Linden Lab tracks failed logins or has any sort of detection method in place for such things. .
It's a very good question, and one that can be tested easily enough.
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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05-06-2008 11:31
From: Phil Deakins
It's a very good question, and one that can be tested easily enough.

Heh... With an alt, maybe :) And even then, I'd have to make sure that I don't get myself banned by IP address. On the other hand, I'd sure love to know the answer.....


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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-06-2008 11:32
From: Trout Recreant
Didn't you say you had some sort of social science degree? Good lord. You are advocating taking people whom you claim are profoundly addicted and trying to make them a profit center by exploiting their addictions. Don't you see how flawed that argument is? It's like taking an alcoholic and giving him a job as a bartender where he's paid in booze. Or making him a beer taster at a brewery. WTF! You don't break the cycle of addiction by making the addiction financially profitable. That's insanity.

I believe that MMO's and SL (which is not an MMO in the traditional definition of the word) can be addictive. We agree there. But when a person is addicted, they don't need to turn their illness into a job FFS, they need to get help to remove the addiction from their life. Whether that's some sort of 12-step program or other tratement, I don't know, but you aren't going to break an addiction to SL by running a profitable business in SL, and it certainly is not LL's job to make it easier for addicts to do so.


You are not getting it. I am talking about entire generations of young people all around the world- west and east---not just your local chapter of AA. Game addiction is barely recognized as an addiction. Therapists can't bill insurance for it. Who is going to pay for helping them? This is more then just an addiction it's a change of socieity to on online matrix.

If you total up the numbers of people heavily involved in online gaming between ages of 14---28, the numbers are staggering. The economic impact of this will be staggering as well. people foregoing high school and college and careers to play games 6, 10, 12 and more hours a day. The best and brightest (ratio around 80:20 male to female in games like warcraft), are playing the MMO games for inordinant numbers of hours each day to the exclusion of real life. It's way past simple addiction theory. It's becoming a replacement for real life. In the next few years there is going to be the repercussions as these gamer generations have to face reality.

Perhaps some future generations seeing their brothers and sister losers, will reject these games entirely. They can use the rehabilitated strung out gamers as their janitors and field workers.

In China they passed laws limiting game play to 3 hours a day.

read this:

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4183340.stm[/url]


Is this what you want in the Western countries as well? This issue is not going to go away, so unless we want entire generations of homeless, unemployed people, then employment in a secure, virtual reality is preferable to unemployment.

There is also much positive potential with virtual reality as a platform where people from around the world can have a virtual United Nations to solve real problems or in education for schools etc.

....but in the meantime we have innane pastimes such as forums or chat rooms, full of people pandering to each other's innanities in roleplaying fantasy games.

Now you wouldn't know about pandering...or any such thing would you Trout?

Total fiddling while Rome burns.


.... Generation of Online gamers can make a society sitting ducks?

They are sitting there with headphones on, 12 hours a day--they can't hear the symbolic deadbolt on their front door, being jimmied open by the real life horde.
Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2008 11:46
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Yadda yadda

It's called Darwinism, sweetheart. If our species can't survive its own short comings, it will die out. If it's because all the kids out there can't get lives/jobs/sexorz, well, so be it.
Max Herzog
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05-06-2008 11:47
Christ on a bike, Rebecca, you really get a thrill from all this cod-psychology, don't you?

Do you think that if you keep drenching us with your shrill, bizarre evangelism, we poor, brainwashed and deluded no-hopers (oh, I almost forgot: perverts and deviants) are going to suddenly stop enjoying SL for the myriad reasons we do, and march to your narrow-minded tune like Hamlyn's rats behind your clearly barking mad Pied Piper?

It would be highly amusing were you not taking yourself so ultra seriously.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-06-2008 11:53
From: Max Herzog
Christ on a bike, Rebecca, you really get a thrill from all this cod-psychology, don't you?

Do you think that if you keep drenching us with your shrill, bizarre evangelism, we poor, brainwashed and deluded no-hopers (oh, I almost forgot: perverts and deviants) are going to suddenly stop enjoying SL for the myriad reasons we do, and march to your narrow-minded tune like Hamlyn's rats behind your clearly barking mad Pied Piper?

It would be highly amusing were you not taking yourself so ultra seriously.




Everything I am saying is true. It's neither far fetched nor barking mad. It's not me, that is playing the pied piper tune or serving the kool-aid.
Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2008 11:58
I have a feeling you've been drinking quite a lot of it.
Max Herzog
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05-06-2008 12:01
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Everything I am saying is true. It's neither far fetched nor barking mad. It's not me, that is playing the pied piper tune or serving the kool-aid.


So why don't you leave us deluded mortals be? It's fair getting on my tits, quite frankly.

I don't need some two-bit social commentator telling me what I can and can't enjoy.
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05-06-2008 12:03
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Everything I am saying is true. It's neither far fetched nor barking mad. It's not me, that is playing the pied piper tune or serving the kool-aid.

The basic facts may be true, but your take on them is rather bizarre.

"Spending so much time on online games is bad but, since people are going to do it anyway, let's think of ways to encourage and reward them so they spend even MORE time online!"
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 12:05
Game "addiction" is caused by two things; weakness of character and lack of pr0nz. I can't fix the former, but I can solve the latter for all of you easily. Just let me delve into my hard drive for a moment.
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Keira Wells
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05-06-2008 12:07
From: Conan Godwin
Game "addiction" is caused by two things; weakness of character and lack of pr0nz. I can't fix the former, but I can solve the latter for all of you easily. Just let me delve into my hard drive for a moment.

I can help too if ya run out, Conan.

The world can never have too many pr0nz.

Neither can my hard drives.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-06-2008 12:09
From: Max Herzog
So why don't you leave us deluded mortals be? It's fair getting on my tits, quite frankly.

I don't need some two-bit social commentator telling me what I can and can't enjoy.



thus sayeth the oblivious gamer.......


....even working in a virtual reality is too much for them?
Rebecca Proudhon
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05-06-2008 12:10
From: Ann Launay
The basic facts may be true, but your take on them is rather bizarre.

"Spending so much time on online games is bad but, since people are going to do it anyway, let's think of ways to encourage and reward them so they spend even MORE time online!"


No this is just expedient since it's not about to change.
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05-06-2008 12:11
From: Rebecca Proudhon
thus sayeth the oblivious gamer.......


....even working in a virtual reality is too much for them?


hahaha. Risible.
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Keira Wells
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05-06-2008 12:11
From: Rebecca Proudhon
No this is just expedient since it's not about to change.

Can someone explain this sentence to me? I didn't know the word expedient, so checked dictionary.com, and am still unsure what this sentence means.
From: dictionary.com

1. tending to promote some proposed or desired object; fit or suitable for the purpose; proper under the circumstances: It is expedient that you go.
2. conducive to advantage or interest, as opposed to right.
3. acting in accordance with expediency.
–noun
4. a means to an end: The ladder was a useful expedient for getting to the second floor.
5. a means devised or employed in an exigency; resource; shift: Use any expedients you think necessary to get over the obstacles in your way.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 12:14
Gaming addicts would only find something else to keep them in their parent's basement. If it weren't WoW it would be D&D or paedophilia or neo nazism. Or they'd become real life furries. The kind of people this happens to were never going to be useful to society anyway.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2008 12:15
She's saying that since they're addicts, might as well keep them addicts and have them work online, since they won't change anyway. Oh, and also she's probably saying something about society as a whole not changing any time soon.
Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 12:15
From: Keira Wells
Can someone explain this sentence to me? I didn't know the word expedient, so checked dictionary.com, and am still unsure what this sentence means.


Rebecca is trying to defend her suggestion that gaming addicts should be encouraged and helped to waste their miserable and worthless lives even more by suggesting that they are going to anyway and that it is convenient for the rest of us if they can generate some wealth on their way down into the pit. Ofcourse, she misses the point that their "work" can never be constructive or generate wealth. Of course, they might just make enough money to keep them in Pocky and Ramen.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Keira Wells
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05-06-2008 12:15
From: Conan Godwin
Gaming addicts would only find something else to keep them in their parent's basement. If it weren't WoW it would be D&D or paedophilia or neo nazism. Or they'd become real life furries. The kind of people this happens to were never going to be useful to society anyway.

Pedophilia and neo nazism are games?

Wow, you must throw some wild parties.. goatse, lemonparties, pedos, neo nazis, furries.. now THAT is an orgy.

Except wouldn't the nazi's be a bit uncomfy?
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 12:17
From: Keira Wells
Pedophilia and neo nazism are games?

Wow, you must throw some wild parties.. goatse, lemonparties, pedos, neo nazis, furries.. now THAT is an orgy.

Except wouldn't the nazi's be a bit uncomfy?


Nazis are some of the nicest people you could meet. Hitler was very kind to animals, for example. Infact, he was the first emo furry.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Keira Wells
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05-06-2008 12:18
From: Conan Godwin
Nazis are some of the nicest people you could meet. Hitler was very kind to animals, for example. Infact, he was the first emo furry.

I love emo hitler pictures..I really do.
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