New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

Gav, I think the better option would be to make Zindra infohubs only re-routable destinations if the person was *already in Zindra* on last log out. Just cause some people wanna look for adult content *sometimes* doesn't mean they wanna end up there accidentally. This should be a change on LL's end.

that info is in the KB as wel as in a video tutural

hate to disapoint you but a private house with a sex bed can still be in a mature sim and a sim bordering an adult sim can be pg even and like dacota pointed out, there are many reasons I have a premium account offcourse you do not think those reasons are valid because that would mean your idea is a failure like most people in the tread have been telling you.

then again why would you think anything from me is valid, in your own words anyone using a child avatar is an internet predator, in otherwords you are calling me and every child avatar user a pedophile just looking to groom a rl child.

Ya know, it's not nice to lump people into some arbitrary group and elect them a spokesperson for it. I'm not sure where you belong, Lias, but I do tend to think of you as a board member in a very elite group (although Prok is the spokesperson ).

I am not sure the Sex gen bed can be in mature sims anymore. The ruling waffled a few times.
I believe what you say you feel is valid. I just do not agree with it.

As I said before - if (when?) Linden Lab decides to merge the teen grid with this grid - an adult masquerading as a small child going up to a RL 13 year old child asking her to come play would be predatory behavior. Even now the behavior is questionable because these pretend kids INSIST upon entering areas clearly marked adult. using some lame excuses to do so while masquerading as a small child instead of changing the avatar and making the argument moot.

If you are very worried about that, why don't you open Prefs and throw the adult switch when you want to be adult and leave it off normally.

I am not worried about it personally (I'm an adult RL & SL & I live on Zindra). I just think it is supremely silly that someone could end up on Zindra accidentally.

So child avatars are some headless cabal all over the grid? I know you all have groups you join and these Michael Jackson types pay for full sims to have you all running around (creepy).

It makes you feel more comfortable that Prok is out to get you and all concerns mentioned here are baseless - but that is just not the reality of the situation. You happily ignore the posts that are against child avatars on the grid from people that post once and duck and run away. But if someone insists on action from the child avatars or Linden Lab - you want to yell foul and make it go away.

How do you continue to spout this BS?
The person you are saying this to doesn't even play a kid AV.

Just cuz you imagine something doesn't make it real. You know that right?



That's cuz it is foul.

LOLz... True... I have had the same shape since I started in 2005. Well I was a small bunny (who smoked constantly and wore t-shirts with dirty sayings) for a very short time.

I'm starting to realize that she thinks everybody that happens to wander in here and object to her BS is a kid 'toon.

Well my friend Lias does tend to imagine awful inflammatory things and immediately decide the imagined thing is factual. Hence the lumping into the group with whatsisname.

What a bunch of boneless cowards those anti-kid avatar people are! I mean, they only post once (or 99 percent of them not at all), so poor Lias and 2 or 3 others are all alone against the armies of evil, even though they speak for the majority - not.

The reality is: the wide majority of people has enough working braincells to recognize the difference between indivuals and groups. They can see the difference between made-up fantasy nightmares and what actually is happening.

If I encountered a 10:1 majority telling me that I was wrong, I would start to think, because there was a good chance that I actually *am* wrong. Not Lias, though. Lias feels comfortable with the support of her silent army - no matter that it only exists in her own head. She happily skips every single question that demands her to back up her fantasies with hard facts. She happily calls for TOS violations to support her crusade against a group of people that does nothing wrong. Just to make it clear: group of people. Of course there are individuals who do things that violate the TOS. Such individuals you can find in each group of people, like amongst the group of adult avatars for example: Lias Leandros, encouraging others to violate the TOS - nobody would get the idea to ban all adult avatars over the wrongdoings of the adult avatar Lias Leandros.

Hopefully this works, solving Dakota's problem.

Of course, child avatars will still appear in Zindra (either accidentally or on purpose), and it will still be acceptable according to LL unless they change their policy, so don't bother ARing them just for being there.

OK, thread done.

Or simpler yet, don't ever use Zindra telehubs for re-routes, if Smith's suggestion is too taxing.

Okay... Let me work this out. (O.o)

Dookie’s scenario, as stated, involves a number of factors:

1) Kid avatar.
2) Relogging or logging in.
3) Last location or home location login.
4) Home location sim is down.
5) Next random or last used infohub will be the landing point.
6) The sim containing said infohub is set to (Adult) and said infohub has this sign board in place:



... That is already a very convoluted scenario with many many odds against it occuring... In the end, no ACTUAL rule of the TOS/CS or common decency gets violated. There’s a problem with THIS arrangement? (O.o)

You people are making it sound as though he’s going to relog and automatically land in your own personal Xcite peepshow bedroom. Really, for all the passion you have about this, step back and think logically for a second. Infohubs are parcel based, though, most do use up the entire sim. Parcel rules ALWAYS override sim rules in regards to strictness. This applies to EVERY land owner, including Linden Lab. (=_=)

As it stands, Linden Lab’s ruling on infohub regions/parcels is that they’re PG in content. As a result, ALL PG violations can, may, and will be reported while within the parcel boundaries of an infohub. It doesn’t matter if the sim is (Mature) or (Adult). Parcel guidelines override. (=_=)

And, as it stands, Linden Lab’s ruling on child avatars is that they are allowed anywhere on the grid where they won’t be depicted as in proximity with sex devices or be made available for sexual activities. Considering the local guidelines actually posted on display in the infohub, the odds of such an event occurring are 0 to none unless someone is specifically targeting the kid AV with intent of harassment, abuse, or false entrapment. That can happen on ANY parcel on ANY sim, regardless of rating. (>_<

So, as it stands, the only real violation of common decency that can occur from Dookie’s scenario would be the fault of a third party to the kid AV operating purely out of malice and spite. (^_^)

Why try to blame the kid AV for this? (=_=)

What's the objection to ending up on a Zindra hub? The only one I've ever been relogged to is Arapaima; are the others markedly different in character?

The pile-on is a well known tactic in these situations - I agree. But let us all get past that. Those tactics do not work on me. I believe I can post my opinion without meeting your follower quota.
The infractions that child avatars engage in in SL mirror RL infractions that happen to RL children.

The only thing that worries me about that is nekkid people ending up on mainland from a re-route. It seems like it should be fairly simple to re-route people to mainland or Zindra based on where they were last... but then, I'm not a programmer.

I think there is naughty stuffs within draw distance of a few of them.

This is exactly where you are disconnected. In and of themselves, adults playing children in SL doesn't hurt anybody. The blood and guts shoot em up crap doesn't cause anyone to be exploded in RL neither.

Yes, but that requires logic!

Actually, knowing their working on the routing code, I may just have to suggest that. Would save a hassle or two for all sorts of avatars.

It is not a physical harm Smith. It is consider offensive - not painful.

Neither was I called into this thread by someone to pile up on you, nor did I call someone else into this thread to pile up on you. On the other hand, *you* claim to speak for the silent majority. Back it up or accept that you are not. Of course, you always dodge each demand to back up your fantasies. That isn't a surprise, because they are exactly that: fantasies. And it's damned hard to back up those with facts...

Thanks, Marianne!!