New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

Eli, there are not just two people in Second Life that are concerned about the way child avatars are used here. There are just very few people who want to try to discuss it in a open forum with people that want to make the conversation stop.

I strongly believe the conversation should continue. So demonize the subject and the people that do not agree with you all you want. It has no effect on the discussion.

I cannot make any statement on Lias' part, but my position is based on that the risk of real children getting hurt is unacceptably high, in combination with a corporate risk evaluation of the impact to both Linden Lab and residents (business) if the current status quo is maintained.

I wonder if anyone here remembers that (sexual)ageplay existed in IRC as well. No avatars are needed. What happens in IMs, stays in IMs. And, what's left of the 2003 - 2007 (sexual)ageplayers have either gone to closed estate sims, gone adult, got banned, or simply flat out left. (=_=)

This, which you fear the most, will NEVER show up in an infohub. Your guilty until proven innocent agendas hold no ground. (=_=)y

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

(sexual) age play is against the rules.... yet according to you two it still happens.
So clearly banning it is has not stopped it. *If* it is indeed still happening then it just went underground.

So.... if child avatars are banned, all the thousands of decent people currently using kid toons get penalized... and these alleged perverts (who are already underground) will continue doing exatly what they are supposedly already doing.

Well, in case you did not notice, it just did (again) - last Friday.

I suppose as smashing a success as the US 'war on drugs'. Which, correct me if I am wrong, were already illegal, right?

The proposition the child avatar agreed to was to look at horses, it was after that they were propositioned for sex, and apparently declined it.

I never said it was confusing. I stated that you two were talking about different things and at the same time trying to use your individual statements to support each other.

BTW, have a nice nap?

Then I would guess your risk analysis would conclude to divest yourself of any connections to LL and Second Life, right?

That rule is like banning casinos but not casino games. The tools used to perform the infraction need to be banned also for the rule to be effective. Child Avatar sex will continue as long as child avatars are allowed on the grid. Since the Community Standards do not allow that activity then ban the tool used to perform it.
Some people that just make skins were labeled as adult content and had to move to Zindra - the SL changes are always going to effect those that claim they are innocent. But this very real issue can be rectified with a ban on that avatar type. Child avatar wearers are not willing to make any voluntary sanctions at all - so what is left is a forced sanction.
Standing in an infohub soliciting for child av sex is not underground.

Yeah, NO. I doubt you were dealing with pre-2007 SAP [(Sexual)AgePlay] accounts at all, considering one of them was a RL kid. (=_=)

Considering the SAP rules, to date, don't exist in the TOS. People don't actually read the TOS when they join. And, what remains of the guidelines is lost to an old and dated blog entry that only we oldbies are capable of finding...

My thought on the matter you presented:

The male avatar was a horny noob pedo idiot.

The kid/kid was a disaster waiting to happen, regardless of what's banned or not.

Your involvement should have been AR and let the Lindens do their job.

But! You wanted to springboard off an obviously random single occurrence to drive a personal vendetta you have against a certain culture in the virtual world. (=_=)

As I've said... The old Wonderlanders are good and gone in regards to mainland. If you want to make a difference, educate people. Be a mentor, if not a Mentor. I do my part. My web tab has a link to that long lost "Clarification" blog post. When faced with a new resident who wants to be a child AV; I direct them to the KIC sim, Second Life Children group, and all the information they need to lead a happy Second Life childhood. (^_^)

Your tyrannical point of view has already fallen half way down the slippery slope. Like saying muggings happen outdoors, so, all outdoor environments should be banned. All rape occurs between a man and a woman, so, men and women should not be legally allowed to interact. It's absolute lunacy. (=_=)

There are no dragons. Just windmills and the occasional lizard. But... Whatever. It's your ulcer. (^_^)y

"But this very real issue can be rectified with a ban on that avatar type. Adult avatar wearers are not willing to make any voluntary sanctions (WRT purported pedophilia) at all - so what is left is a forced sanction."

[You make this TOO easy! If pedophilia occurs logically an adult is involved, right?]

So because the guy did not see the rule against having virtual sex with children avatars it is not really his fault? What bollocks. Desperate white washing nonsense.

But if child avatars were banned from the grid we would not be having this situation and the poor confused pedophile would have just gone off horseback riding alone. Pffft.

This is an adult grid Kara.

The more Gavin and Lias rant the more I feel like organising a real life ageplay circle on the sidewalks of their streets.
Wonder if they would dare accuse them of being pedophiles

Abi you are the one ranting.

Casino games were not banned. I have a poker table that could be used for gambling. It's not illegal at all if it is used in the right way. Just like kid avatars.



Nope. Won't change a god damned thing.

I tought you where talking or should say ranting about avatars and Gavin was doing the same about rl age.
did you change target now?

Traditional casino games were banned. Traditional casino games have random number generators - which made them gambling machines. if your device has a random number generator in it - it is illegal.

The Lindens did not tell you that you could keep the random number generator if you promise not to use it in the wrong manner. They banned them all and will forcibly remove them if they become aware of their presence on the grid. This policy is in place to MAKE SURE the gambling ban remains effective.

Linden Lab needs to ban child avatars to make sure the CS policy around these avatars begins to become effective.

I guess you have to read back and figure out what is going on abi.

So therefore child AVs are adults.

Yes Kara

Texas Hold em is not a "traditional casino game"? Games were not banned... gambling with money was banned. You can have a random number generator if no money is changing hands.
In the same way... ponographic images involving children have been banned. Not all images of children.
In the same way... child avatars involved in sexual activities have been banned. Not all child avatars.
See the similarity? By bringing up the gambling issue you actually are arguing against your own failed logic.

We could solve all these problems if we would just ban the following : Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mooney Lynn, and Gary Glitter avatars.

There problem solved.

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