New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

I searched once and found it on a obscure website known as YOUTUBE.COM (like I said - cannot find what we do not want to find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc0C9k5tQRw

was it with a child or was it with adults?
ya know they are not really a Pedophil unless it is with a child right? that if it is two adults it's two adults role playing..you do know that right?

IT was an act of virtual pedophilia - as Robin Linden pointed out as being broadly offensive and unacceptable.

ok but i'm asking..were children involved or was it adults?

Two possible incidents in a year.

Yeh, that's a major problem the labs are going to have to act on before it's too late.

One incident was on eRL adult and one RL Child and the other was two RL Adults. The issue discussed here is the CHILD AVATAR - not the person behind the avatar. The concern is the DEPICTION of children in inappropriate situations - not actual children in those situations.

This has been an on-going problem in Second Life since at least 2006 (perhaps longer). No matter how many instances of this issue that you choose to acknowledge - it continues to happen. Time to nip the problem in the bud and ban the human child avatar type from Second Life.

I don't about the criminal law in Holland but I do know about it in the UK, and he's mistaken. I am not completely sure that any image of a child avatar in SL would, in fact, be caught by our legislation on indecent images of children; I don't think it would at present, though it's arguable, but it would certainly have to be doing something more than standing within draw distance of adult content. And I am a loss as to how it could be prosecuted unless someone took a screen shot.

Not me, because I would not advocate such a silly solution to what I don't think is a problem. But this is the logical conclusion of your line of reasoning.
Or, just ban the use of child avatars in sexual situations. If folks can cheat at one thing, they can cheat at another.

I challenge this assertion.

BTW, I could care less whether adjults have sex with other adults using child avatars. I don't want to see it or participate, but I'd rather people fulfill their fantasies in SL than go cruising playgrounds.

Of course, there is no body of evidence to show whether sexual age-play increases or decreases the risk to real children. But my suspicion is that it does more good than harm, by giving people a safe outlet for otherwise dangerous tendencies.

Something to keep in mind is that people, in general, do not CHOOSE what turns them on. You may think that people who get a thrill out of this are inherently evil. I say they are only evil if they act, with children. Actual, real, children, not pictures of them.

German law disagrees with me. Ah well, so be it. Iranian law disagrees with depiction of faces, so SL is out of luck entirely if we let any country dictate the laws. No, LL chooses who they let dictate, and they chose to ban sexual age play. That's their perogative.

I'm confident that they won't ban child avatars, and I put my $L where my mouth is.

i'm not defending sexual age play with child avatars.. but i've heard of one incident in the whole time i've been here..that was with adults..so then the TOS was adjusted for that..

so now there is an issue with a child and an adult?

the only problem i have with the whole thing is the prejudice against all those that rp children that the mob seems to think are involved in this mass amount of child sexual age play that is not happening..

if there are two incidents in the last 6 years and one was with children you see that as a failure where some may see that as a success.. it may not be saving them all but it sure seems to be putting up some very good numbers compared to the rest of the internet..and the rl for that matter..

You have yet to tell us how to determine a "human child avatar". And why limit it to humans? Beastiality is against the law in many if not most places. Do we ban furries and animal AVs?

five fingers and toes, skin no tail and no pointed ears - you know - looks eerily like your RL children.

The RL Laws and the SL sanctions are based on human child avatars - that is the scope of my argument.

Video posted on NOVEMBER 19, 2007.

Try again.

Most human AV's I have ever seen fit that description. If you want a ban, you need to have concrete standards on what is allowed and what isn't. Should it be AV height? Style of clothing? Do we ban school girl uniforms? Qie is a small sized adult Asian male, do we force him to change his shape? After all he could be mistaken for a child. (based on the last time I saw his AV)

i've been trying to find the definition of virtual Pedophil on the net and i'm not finding it..can someone post up the law or the definition..
so far from what i gather it has to do with photorealistic ..but i haven't found anything else on it..mostly just Pedophilia itself..i get things from blogs and one sided opinion sites but no true definition..maybe it's spyware on my system or something..who knows..

thanks for dismissing me lias....LOL but ill participate where i like in a discussion. seems like im still not hearing even ONE incident of a documented case of a pedophile in SL...did you have some to share?

on the other hand i can give you real life stats about how many pedophiles live within 5 miles of my house including name, address, age and charges. i can also give you a ton of RL info about how many pedphiles are where in RL.

if you can do any better than dismissing me to counter your arguments...im thinking there is NO real info.

The word 'rez' is attributed to a film named Tron and Second Life. New words keep cropping up as technology moves forward.

Ceka, a lot of this stuff will probably appear under other terms, like Hentai, or even more specifically Lolicon.

I haven't done much research on animated depictions of paedophilia myself, but I do know that it is often integrated into other commercially available or online rape play games.

What if an AV claims to be 10, but has a disease which causes his body to age rapidly. He now looks like he is 40. Do we ban this AV?

You can live in your own special place of avowal while the rest of us discuss. Have a nice nap.

So only hoo-mans are part of your perceived problem then? If the rest of us are not, why are they singled out?

I posted the Gavin Hird thread 3 times in this thread - and still none of you see any pedophilia. You will not read the quote from that thread or read any pages in that thread to see others talk about their virtual pedophilia experiences in SL. You cannot see what you do not want to see.
Not in your reality.

is it just me...or does the term human + child + avatar somehow not compute? its an AVATAR - not a rl human or rl child....

It closely mirrors real life abuses - that is why the real life authorities took notice - and Linden Lab was forced to make sanctions against the child avatar type. No other avatar type is mentioned in the Community Standards except the human child avatar.

Chris you better stop fooling around over here and get back over to that Forum Cartel thread that is spinning out of control.

i didn't ask for a lesson about the internet i asked if someone could help find a definition..how did you somehow get that out of my question??