New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

oh lordy! the solution just came to me...lets ban all NON child avatars since those are the ones causing problems! if we were all kids, then this would also be a non issue.

The FBI does not like that 'solution'. I do not think free enrollment Pedo-World will be allowed to remain online for long.

It's been done. IMVU and There.com are boring. (>_<

The male avatar was the one who attempted to engage in sexual ageplay, not the child avatar.

If you have a problem with virtual pedophilia, the male avatar is the one you should be upset with.

I am certain if the male avatar was a child avatar, Gavin would have included that detail.

the FBI has mandated that only real life adults all playing together in child avatars with NO adult av's in SL as children is illegal??? wow, how did i miss that one?? didnt make the front page news in my area.

/me runs up to jojo grabbing her in a big hug for comming up with the most brilliant solution to the issue
anyone for catnip? my treat *mews and purrs*

The FBI never got involved for the past 6 years. Why assume they would now? (O.o)

No U.S. laws are being broken, you know? (^_^)y

The FBI, as much as they like to think otherwise, does not make the law.

ty abi...in all seriousness....in my years in SL owning and managing sims, events etc....i have never ONCE AR'd an adult who was a child avatar. They act totally appropriately. On the OTHER hand...ive ar'd and banned a giant longggg list of real life adults in alllll kinds of other avatars acting like idiots, causing problems, griefing etc and engaging in extremely inappropriate sexual behavior in public on PG sims, even when asked politely to put their "toys" away or to get dressed.

the issue of pedophiles in SL is a completely separate thing from child avatars. and the issue of whether there are real life children in SL is a third issue. Attempts to mix them all up into one little pile of steaming sh*t is silly.

I would never rely on any hearsay or someone "telling" me their RL age in SL. people are here to be something they are not and that is allowed. for people to jump all over child avatars is assigning cause and effect and solution to things that are not connected. There are more drowning deaths during the time of year when there is more ice cream consumed, but that does NOT mean that consuming ice cream causes drowning. so the banning of all ice cream near bodies of water is NOT going to reduce the number of drownings no matter how much someone believes that it will. And it does not mean that if we stop selling ice cream in the summer that drownings will be reduced in number.

I do not believe that SL is a haven for pedophiles...I do not believe that there are a ton of pedophiles running around trying to sort out who is a real child and who is just in a child av to try and have pixel sex with them. I do not believe this is a rampant issue and unless I see documented evidence otherwise...meaning real life stats and NOT anecdotes...to me this is a bunch of bull. Having worked with pedphiles, i can tell you that they have many other places that will return more to them and allow them to be close to children than hanging out in an over 18 web site....just sayin.

The FBI Never made a public statement but they have investigated. And Continue to do so. We have a FBI OFfice in the town where I live so we are able to chat with some officers (especially since they left their business cards with us when they caught the internet predator on our neighborhood).

The Euro laws are much more strict than ours. One Euro posted:
Linden Lab has no desire to loose all of their German and Dutch tier payers, I am sure.

That does not really make any sense. You cannot have virtual pedophilia without virtual children.
I am assuming you did not take the time to watch the videos of the virtual child porn rings in Second Life that are all over the internet.

And alot of what some SLers do not consider pedophilia occurs (like the virtual parents taking bubble baths with the virtual children) but again, if these screen shots were posted on the net it would be considered child porn.
Again, you must not have access to a internet search engine. We cannot find what we do not want to find.

And it is people like you who cause innocent parents taking innocent pictures to be hounded and persecuted for child porn. What our parents did 40 years ago in taking pictures of bathing babies has now been outlawed. But then common sense is never the hallmark of a prohibitionist.

just to reiterate....i will believe it when i see REAL stats from an authority, not random web postings.

and no, i dont go poking around the web trying to find and veiw child porn of any sort. cant say that is something i find appealing or a productive use of my time.

again, pixel sex between avatars is NOT real life pedophilia which in my experience is a REAL and traumatic issue.

Oh, I know the FBI is here. I spent a few good weeks in Emails with an agent back around the time I was still new over some comments I made here on this forum about someone peddling RL CP pictures. His interests were REAL exploited children. My activities and involvements were far from secret at the time and my very public frequenting of a certain camp didn’t interest him one bit. Considering... NONE of it was illegal. (^_^)

That said... What’s left of the old (sexual) ageplayers of the past don’t go to mainland and/or have all been banned already. What’s left of my old kid AV past is well documented here on the forums. My current AV is 18. My current lifestyle is as I like it. And, pending something coming along that’s more interesting, I’m here to stay. (^_^)y
Why bring up Euro laws in a response involving the FBI? FBI is a U.S. Federal agency. (=_=)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Seriously, I've been seeing Lias make extraordinary claims since her campaign against nudists. She's yet to provide any evidence at all.

Come on, Lias, put up or...

The only ones I can find seem to predate LL's ban on ageplay, so based on your evidence conclude LL's ban has sufficiently fixed the problem.

Point of order?

Have you actually asked the FBI about that hypothetical solution as you just claimed?

Yes, jokingly. They laughed also.

For some reason this question makes me want to sing.

"We are the world.......we are the children........."

Or say "All your law are belong to US"

No, September 18th of this year and there was another incident. Linden Lab cleansed its police blotter of all pedophilia so your never going to see it there.

But if you are just going to pretend it does not exist here or only happens once a quarter - then you do not really need to discuss it at all.

Dutch parlement looked into sl during the peak of the paranoia in 2007 and concluded no laws where being broken and nothing needed to be done.
In otherwords dutch law does not see live sexual roleplay with pixle toons as pornographic, child or otherwise.

this was before the ban on sexual ageplay when it still was pretty easy to find if you wanted to.

got any more false claims?

Ok, Jojo, enjoy your SL. THis subject will progress without your input then.

I can't seem to find any videos about this incident. Perhaps a link or two might help here.

The claim was made by a Euro - not me. And I tend to believe him over you - nothing personal.

Sounds like the response in the article I linked earlier. With the parents going "huh? pics of kids in the bath are common".