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Kara Spengler
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09-22-2009 12:28
From: Lias Leandros
Kara, you stay in your own little special place of denial


Is dat in de Egypt? :)
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09-22-2009 12:29
From: Lias Leandros
The policy is a fail. Now absolutes need to be discussed and put in place as soon as possible.

Please link to the documented cases of sexual ageplay on the grid since the policy was enacted. I'm sure if it were common, those vigilantes would be blogging about it until their lungs turned blue.

With no evidence to the contrary, it appears this has been one of Linden Lab's more effective policies.
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09-22-2009 12:32
From: Lias Leandros

I know in Connecticut the FBI frowns upon people pretending to be children to gain the trust of children. (My 19 year old hacker neighbor received a visit from a FBI agent when he was telling young girls he was a 13 year old girl named Bunny in chatrooms. The FBI eventually gave his harddrive back to him but no one in the neighborhood would allow him to touch their computers again). )
And quite right, too. What view, though, do the Connecticut FBI take of adults playing child avatars in SL when no sexual content is involved?

And, I wonder, would they consider it more or less prudent for the adults behind such avatars to satisfied themselves that anyone they encounter is also an adult, by confining themselves to Adult Verified areas? Off the top of my head, I rather suspect that, legally, at least, among the safest places for child avatars to hang out would be PG areas on Zindra.

From: someone
So when the teen grid merges with the adult grid - I definitely see LL banning human child avatars. The ban should happen right now.
So we would then have lots of teenagers forced by Linden Lab to masquerade as adults. Hmm. Quite how this would safeguard anyone I do not know, and I think that whoever advises Linden Labs on corporate liability might have a thing or two say about that bright idea (as, indeed, might the Connecticut FBI).
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09-22-2009 12:33
Milla are you visiting Kara in Denial? I mentioned the Gavin Hird thread - and within that thread some have mentioned their encounters with virtual pedophilia in SL. Have you noticed in the police blotter there is a zero instance of reported pedophilia? That is an impossible number. Obviously LL has a unwritten policy not to publish that bit of dirty laundry - and really, who could blame them.
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09-22-2009 12:37
So do we ban short pants and lollipops? Mandate a minimum height for all AV's? What about Briana? She is a short elf. Could she not be mistaken for a child? We have short pixies, what if someone pulled the wings off of them, would they be children?
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Lias Leandros
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09-22-2009 12:42
From: Innula Zenovka
And quite right, too. What view, though, do the Connecticut FBI take of adults playing child avatars in SL when no sexual content is involved?
They see people pretending to be children on the internet as predators. These are law enforcement officers - not hippie liberals.
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And, I wonder, would they consider it more or less prudent for the adults behind such avatars to satisfied themselves that anyone they encounter is also an adult, by confining themselves to Adult Verified areas? Off the top of my head, I rather suspect that, legally, at least, among the safest places for child avatars to hang out would be PG areas on Zindra.
Nooo. The child avatar issue is one of common decency and perceptions - and that is all it is. COMmon decency dictates that children should not be around adult content - laws say they should not participate in adult activities. Linden Lab based their ToS rule on what is considered broadly offensive (common decency). You all want to push back on that any time you can and claim that child avatars in adult areas is not broadly offensive even if they are not engaging in sex. And I say it is broadly offensive. So I guess it will come down to a grid wide show of hands. Or another nasty internet scandal(which, with the cavalier attitude of many child avatar people - should happen next week).
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So we would then have lots of teenagers forced by Linden Lab to masquerade as adults. Hmm. Quite how this would safeguard anyone I do not know, and I think that whoever advises Linden Labs on corporate liability might have a thing or two say about that bright idea (as, indeed, might the Connecticut FBI).
Agreed. Since the age to join SL is 13 - then we should not see anyone in pig tails holding a dollie and talking like a half illiterate 3 foot tall child.

My 13 year old niece wears jeans with sparkles on it and a hoodie. The last time her mother tried to put her in pigtails she locked herself in her room and texted her father at work to come rescue her.
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09-22-2009 12:43
Lias had no objection to the height of my avatar when we met.
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09-22-2009 12:43
Everyone knows Connecticut is full of pedophiles and Yankees fans.

Sorry... that's redundant.
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09-22-2009 12:44
From: Lias Leandros
Milla are you visiting Kara in Denial? I mentioned the Gavin Hird thread - and within that thread some have mentioned their encounters with virtual pedophilia in SL.
Like bubblegal_14?
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09-22-2009 12:44
From: Lias Leandros
They see people pretending to be children on the internet as predators. These are law enforcement officers - not hippie liberals.

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They also see people in pain and needing medication as drug abusers. They are wrong in both cases.
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Milla Janick
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09-22-2009 12:45
From: Lias Leandros
Milla are you visiting Kara in Denial? I mentioned the Gavin Hird thread - and within that thread some have mentioned their encounters with virtual pedophilia in SL.

That is a thread about underage users, not child avatars.
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09-22-2009 12:45
From: Argent Stonecutter
Lias had no objection to the height of my avatar when we met.

I am going to have to AR you both for ageplay. :D
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09-22-2009 12:46
From: Chris Norse
I am going to have to AR you both for ageplay. :D
Lias is SO not my type. She didn't even have any toes!

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09-22-2009 12:46
From: Eli Schlegal
Everyone knows Connecticut is full of pedophiles and Yankees fans.

Sorry... that's redundant.
Now your out of line.
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Kara Spengler
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09-22-2009 12:47
From: Lias Leandros
Milla are you visiting Kara in Denial?


In other words Milla: we won the argument and that is her response.
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09-22-2009 12:48
From: Chris Norse
So do we ban short pants and lollipops? Mandate a minimum height for all AV's? What about Briana? She is a short elf. Could she not be mistaken for a child? We have short pixies, what if someone pulled the wings off of them, would they be children?
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09-22-2009 12:53
From: Kara Spengler
In other words Milla: we won the argument and that is her response.
That's right Kara. Do you want me to fluff your pillow for you so you can go back to sleep?
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Kara Spengler
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09-22-2009 12:54
From: Lias Leandros
Now your out of line.


No, saying something outrageous like 'SL child avatars are pedophiles' is out of line.

Hating Yankees fans just means someone has found the One True Church of Red Sox. :)
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09-22-2009 12:54
child avatar does not equal a real life child...end of issue.
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Eli Schlegal
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09-22-2009 12:57
From: Kara Spengler
No, saying something outrageous like 'SL child avatars are pedophiles' is out of line.

Hating Yankees fans just means someone has found the One True Church of Red Sox. :)


/me high fives Kara
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09-22-2009 12:59
From: Lias Leandros
Now your out of line.


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09-22-2009 13:03
From: Kara Spengler
Hating Yankees fans just means someone has found the One True Church of Red Sox. :)

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Lias Leandros
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09-22-2009 13:23
From: Milla Janick
That is a thread about underage users, not child avatars.


I think you have rose colored glasses on

From: Gavin Hird
This age play incident was reported to Linden Lab today:

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Event happening September 18:

- Kid avatar approached by male avatar who invites avatar to go and look at horses

- Kid avatar teleported out of infohub to a location where male avatar makes an attempt to engage in sexual age play with the kid avatar (chat log submitted)
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Milla Janick
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09-22-2009 13:32
From: Lias Leandros
I think you have rose colored glasses on

14 pages, and there is one mention of a child avatar, and the person violating the ageplay TOS rule is the one behind the adult avatar.

The thread is still about underage users, not child avatars.
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Lias Leandros
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09-22-2009 13:34
Milla, right above your post it reads KID AVATAR APPROACHED BY MALE AVATAR. the avatar was human child avatar. There is no mention of the male avatar being adult or child. Don't you see the words? Take off those glasses!
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