Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

Actually, this is what griefing is. Not protesting. Not over-reaction. Just plain and simple griefing.

Ah ha! I should have known. Thank you for clearing that up. The case is closed, it seems. Nothing to see here. *Moves on*

Read the original German sign, please.

*Stops in her tracks* And here I thought I was home free.

Which wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a bunch of people who overreacted in the first place.

that's fine althoug many women hate bats ^^

just you can't go 'there" but my dragon will do lunch with your bat any old day

You can't possibly claim to know that. Since when have griefers needed a particular reason to do what they do?

you come to my place and protest that you dont like me to sell "virtual drugs" or that bikers suck i call it griefing. YOu fill up my place with people and interrupt the atmosphere which i worked hard to create and make it so that people can't enter the sim and if they do they have to put up with a line of protesters to get to where they are going I call it griefing.

Why?
cause your stressing the hell outa me and i have to profusely apologize to anyone that actualy wants to be there for what the sim is instead of what the sim is not. Plus I can't go do anything else cause I have to police my sim and then someone wants to negotiate with me in a language I dont want to speak and makes me turn on scripting so that other scripts can run so they can talk with me about the fact that they in that particular garb can't go there like that. I call it griefing. The of course the final touch is someone anyone will come to my already lagged out sim that I'm ready to put up for sale cause your driving me nuts and releases particles to finish the job. Its all griefing.

When you come to my place and drive me crazy its griefing. I had someone try this once i politely tried to explain to her that what she was doing was rude and she would not have it she demanded to be what she wanted and drive my visitors away YES they left with her big rude mouth so she got the boot and an abuse report and I have yet to ever see her avatar back on the residents list so her mouth looks like she got a suspension. What was she doing well trying to force her viewpoints on my patrons in a nasty way. I tried all sides too i tried asking her what would she feel like ifi went to her place to do the same thing. She ignored it. According to her despitet he fact i was getting tells and others were trying to get her to understand that she was being very rude she was "just talking" that's fine but she was annoying the hell outa everyone and ruining a conversation I was having with a new player not quite sure about all the parts that make an avatar. He told he she was rude and finally i got fed up and booted her

you think i was not experiencing grief ? i was I was mad as a hater and logged out dismayed that someone would come to my place and build and do this to me because I dont ever bother anyone

i'm sorry if you dont think its griefing but it is.

Read better. We're talking about a completely separate incident.

really i think your just a troll who likes to argue

show up in a mob anywhere your not supposed to be and lag out a sim and protest and make demands and give the owner heartache its griefing. You just are trying to be contrary

Please don't twist the facts, escpecially if you weren't even there.

The debate with the furries, the scripts for babbler, the invitations in the forums - it all happened on DEMAND by the builders! They *wanted* a civilized discussion and set up a date and a time. A compromise was even reached after a very organized and nice talk - until most likely some anti fur group took the opportunity to nazi grief the event. A few seconds before the particle spam burst, me and other furries got IM messages fron these people calling us "furfags". Do you really think this was done by ourselves?

if you read my post reply to the particle spam you will note that i said it was likely PN as they are famous for that thing, but I know a lot of people are not reading what I write because of course i must hate furries for daring to say just live and let live and leave this guy and his cathedral alone. This thread should not have even been made is my point its needless drama on what is really a very minor issue and this could have been done and approached without exposing him and his sim to needless publicity and then a crashing at the end.

the moral of the story is just ask to talk to the guy dont post dont encourage people to show up to the sim as you did in your original post to be heard and make a point. Its called grandstanding and is needless and well in bad taste.

p.s. i neither agree or disagree with the access rule its their build their sim what I dont agree with is what you are doing to get the rule noticed and this thread being posted to the forum and the problems you are helping to cause for this guy as a result of your crusade to have furries allowed onto HIS sim.

Which doesn't have a single bloody thing to do with the line of thought we were discussing that you responded to.

Read better.

if you say so

Now you turn this against me? ROFL. They wanted the discussion. Besides that it wasn't me who "exposed" him, it was them who put up a sign with those rules in public...

Maybe it was a mistake though to bring the case into grid wide attention by posting here in an English speaking forum. The other mistake was to enable scripts so the English speaking guests could follow the discussions.

I'm not against anyone and i was never supporting your or this crusade in the first place not one single post did I say that posting here and bringing this kind of attention to this was a good thing.

The only neutral post i ever made was with regards to the fact that being a catholic establishment this kind of rule did not surprise me. I never said I was against his rule and if you read most of my posts are saying if i were him i would have banned you all and just left it at that cause your making a lot of headache for this poor guy. He's not bothering you but look at what has happened over a weekend as a result of trying to be allowed onto his sim without changing to a human avatar. He has been inundated and picketed and the furries have become a spectacle on the sim and put themselves in the line of fire with "anti-fur" groups and then they showed up with the end result being that no one could port to the sim because of the protest and actualy go to the sim for the purpose for which it was intended because it was full of protesters. Ad to that on top of it that it made it a prim target for what happened to it (i posted that the sim would be crashed somewhere in here too eventually it was inevitalbe when you bring this kind of attention to anything you open up a large can of worms).

There's a big old drama monger in this thread, and he aint no furry.

seeing as that's intended to me do you know that ihad a hard time NOT reporting this thread?
I think it should never have been posted which is why i keep coming to this thread and saying to people
to leave the guy alone and forget it or his sim will be in trouble

looks like i was right and in hindsight I should have reported this thread

(its to late now and i'm sorry that i didn't go with my first response instead of trying to reason with people to get them to not bother this sim owner to prevent exactly what did happen from happening)

Little hint: There was a refreshingly civil dialogue between a group of furrs and the owners and builders of the cathedral. Much was resolved, positive changes were made.

Had everyone just hushed, these positive things would not have happened.

I would guess, were one to actually use hindsight rather than just wanting to be right, one would conclude that this thread served its positive purpose.

Well, if you'd read (as Rie suggested) and I reccommend comprehension as well, you might notice that THE BUILDER wanted to talk. Not be left alone, or for people to forget him, but to talk.

Which seems to have happened.

Now there's nothign to do but wait for the reaction from the church as was stated by THE BUILDER.

Also, I'm quite sure this thread was reported *chuckles* I'd be surprised to no end if it wasn't by someone with their panties in a twist (though we know that wasn't Brenda since she doesn't ahve panties ^.~)

Seems even the builder thinks excluding certain avatars is a dumb idea. Time to see what the church thinks. Hopefully they'll take a long, hard look before deciding.

Because, yes, Wilhelm, they do have the right to continue to ban anyone, or anything they want. However, they also have the right to accept the concequences of such actions. Including public disapproval. Doesn't mean they have to change because of it, but you can not silence the public. To do that steps on the very rights that give the landowner the right to do as they wish with their lands.

~Jessy

no hinting necessary his sim was mobbed with protesters no one could port it was a mess and it got crashed yeah that was great.

I find that doing any of this garbage is distasteful and at every turn when people post crap like this to forums I saw so. I have gotten im's on this board today several of them from people saying they dont have the "guts to participate in this thread but thanks for saying what i have done"

Here is another hint: I would not have presumed to impose my will or even tried to open a dialogue with him I would just have done what was asked and not posted any threads or gone to any media or started any picketing

that's the difference by the type who does not victimize themselves and those who do. Bottom line it was a group of people doing the proffessional victim thing over what realy was a totally inconsequential issue. Its garbage and uneccesary and disgusting and sad and worrisome all at once that people can't seperate themselves from a fictitious avatar for half an hour to see a build. Its a very bad and sick way to live! that's what i truly think and that they should probably not be playing sl for awhile until they stop thinking they really are furries! lol

On the griefer note:

I dispise griefers of all sorts. Discussions, even heated ones, are fine, but crossing the line into dropping a sim, firing particle weapons, pushing, or even the voice simulator is dispicable.

I run security in-world and if the owner of the sim would like, I would be happy to discuss and advise on how to handle problems with griefing while following all rules of the ToS/CS.

I don't speak German, however, so any such discussion will need to be in English. My failing there *Grins* I tried to learn other languages and failed miserably lol

~Jessy

Two little quibbles here:

One, what you would do makes not one whit of difference to me.

Second, I congratulate you on totally failing to understand the argument.

That line of logic is dispicable.

You stand for one side having rights, but not the other. People have a right to not accept things, and to try to change them in a peaceful way, as was done.

Just because you wish to rollover and accept everything in life as it comes, does not mean the rest of us do.

Of course, you don't jsut accept things because you refuse to accept that the furries had the right to have a voice. So basically you were "doing the proffessional victim thing over what realy was a totally inconsequential issue".

ie the old Boohoo, people are picking on things they don't like.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

~Jessy

I understand perfectly and i think its nonesense and i'm sorry that you fall for this garbage and argument. This is a bunch of people who can't obey rules except for their own if they find a rule they dont like they protest about it instead of doing what normal adults do and read, understand and process the rule.

There is no racism or bigotry going on here not one iota trying to say that there is which is basicaly what they are saying "oh please just accept me for who i am". well who you are is a human not a furry and a request was made but no you can't just go along with the request you want to be contrary and different and post a thread to a forum and waste a guys weekend on this.

As I have said if it was me and it had been a synagogue I built being a jew and I had decided (which I probably would have) that only human avatars were allowed and a bunch of furries came to me demanding I let them in anyhow they would have been booted and banned.

As I said I comment this guy for putting up with this but honestly he should not have had to put up with ANY of it this is the point. I'm sorry if you dont understand this but bad behaviour is just that bad behaviour and this thread is the epitomy of bad behaviour and a MEMEMEME selfish attitude.