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Wilhelm Neumann
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09-04-2007 14:42
From: Slawkenbergius Slade
Ok the builders of this particular Cathedral have made their wishes clear & it is right to respect that. But otherwise, why not? If your AV was a full-time Vampire, why not continue the role in a church build? It is not a church. And it is not a Cathedral. If the basic rule of SL is "do not behave in ways which you would not behave in in real life", why bother logging-in?

Any respect for the skills involved is due to those who built it in SL. Go to the RL original & wonder at the skills of those who built it. If you do, you'll discover that visiting the two are totally different experiences. And guess which is the more impressive when you're there.



I thought vampires and churches didn't get along something about holy water and crosses and the like oh and wooden stakes as well ifn' some pose with the crosses and holy water is after you and then poof your dust in the wind.
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09-04-2007 14:44
From: Slawkenbergius Slade
If your AV was a full-time Vampire, why not continue the role in a church build? It is not a church.


You mean other than the part where I'd wind up a heap of, heh, Ash at the floor a second later? And, er, I'd need to be invited in first anyway, if I were holding tru to the RP.

But that's all silly talk.

The reason I don't is respect. Their home; their rules. My choice is to accept it or walk away. Throwing a fit like a 5-year-old who can't get their way is also a choice, I suppose, but not one that's on the table for me. :shrug:

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Any respect for the skills involved is due to those who built it in SL. Go to the RL original & wonder at the skills of those who built it. If you do, you'll discover that visiting the two are totally different experiences. And guess which is the more impressive when you're there.


Yeah, thanks, like I said, been there. Of course, they're different. I'm in awe of the work it took to build the real thing, but I also respect someone who can use the tools of SL to craft something with a great eye to detail. Have you tried it? Sure takes skill, skill I don't have.
Asher Bertrand
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09-04-2007 14:45
From: Wilhelm Neumann
I thought vampires and churches didn't get along something about holy water and crosses and the like oh and wooden stakes as well ifn' some pose with the crosses and holy water is after you and then poof your dust in the wind.


Down with fascist churches in sunny sims. I cry vampersecution!


:grins:
Slawkenbergius Slade
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09-04-2007 14:57
@Asher.

Apologies, I misunderstood. I thought you meant "That'd be just rude" per se rather than 'that'd be rude because they stated that they didn't want that kind of behaviour", which I succeeded in just reiterating.

The second part still reads as though you'll behave nicely in the SL version because of your respect for the builders of the RL version though - but maybe I'm misreading that as well.
Asher Bertrand
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09-04-2007 15:05
From: Slawkenbergius Slade
@Asher.

Apologies, I misunderstood. I thought you meant "That'd be just rude" per se rather than 'that'd be rude because they stated that they didn't want that kind of behaviour", which I succeeded in just reiterating.

The second part still reads as though you'll behave nicely in the SL version because of your respect for the builders of the RL version though - but maybe I'm misreading that as well.



You know? I haven't thought that hard about who I respect and why. I guess it's just the default position unless shown a reason to think otherwise. I respect the builders of the original and the builders of the SL version. Why not? Doesn't matter a hill of beans to me if they want me to come in as just an "average" person, and it seems to make them happy.

Maybe it's the whole "pick your battles wisely" thing. This isn't a wise battle, as far as I can tell.
Wilhelm Neumann
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09-04-2007 15:13
From: Asher Bertrand
Down with fascist churches in sunny sims. I cry vampersecution!


:grins:


All this vampire stuff in with the cathedral is starting to give me another hairbrained wilhelm idea

(wonders how crypt rentals would do ) ^^
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09-04-2007 15:34
From: Wilhelm Neumann
All this vampire stuff in with the cathedral is starting to give me another hairbrained wilhelm idea

(wonders how crypt rentals would do ) ^^


Have you ever heard of the Wilhelm scream? :D
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Alyx Sands
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09-04-2007 15:39
From: Slawkenbergius Slade
Ok the builders of this particular Cathedral have made their wishes clear & it is right to respect that. But otherwise, why not? If your AV was a full-time Vampire, why not continue the role in a church build? It is not a church. And it is not a Cathedral. If the basic rule of SL is "do not behave in ways which you would not behave in in real life", why bother logging-in?

Any respect for the skills involved is due to those who built it in SL. Go to the RL original & wonder at the skills of those who built it. If you do, you'll discover that visiting the two are totally different experiences. And guess which is the more impressive when you're there.


The original in Cologne, btw, is awesome. And it's almost like SL-they have been building it for a thousand years and it's still not finished...
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09-04-2007 16:07
From: Colette Meiji
Vampires are a pain in the neck. :p :p :p


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09-04-2007 16:08
From: Asher Bertrand
K, so, I haven't read this whole train wreck. Sorry. I cite RL and time. However...

I have been to the cathedral in question in real life, quite a few times, and never once did I see someone in a fursuit there. ZOMG discrimination? Or, just people being respectful?

Sounds like the people who created this in SL wish to have visitors show the same sort of respect as visitors in the real world show to the cathedral. That's why they don't want you going in wearing stripper gear with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth while your wings of Mael beat ominously behind you. You know, modicum of respect.

I sure as hell won't go there in my vamp character and pretend to be undone by the sight of the cross and the proximity of holy water. That'd just be rude.

I probably will go, though, and play by their rules, because I respect this building in real life, and I respect the people who took time to make it in real life.

:shrug:

What's the big deal here?



I think one major point is that these people are either ignorant of the fact that you can't do that, RL does not translate well into SL and visa versa (thus why you don't see guys in fur suits walking the streets of LA every day) or they do know and their just betting that they'll still attract some people who don't care that they're getting SL totally wrong.
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09-04-2007 16:10
OK I got through page 17 of this thread and gave up, so forgive me if this has already been asked:

WHERE exactly is this place? I was at the Koeln am Rhein - Germany sim, in the Cologne City area. Are we talking about the really badly textured big building in the center? (The inside is okay, I guess, but I've seen nicer in SL.) I can't see any signs about anyone not being welcome... am I in the wrong place?
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09-04-2007 16:12
From: Gordon Wendt
I think one major point is that these people are either ignorant of the fact that you can't do that, RL does not translate well into SL and visa versa (thus why you don't see guys in fur suits walking the streets of LA every day) or they do know and their just betting that they'll still attract some people who don't care that they're getting SL totally wrong.


I'm not sure I totally understand that.

Do you mean that it's easier to go around in furry form in SL? Sure, I'd buy that. Don't really see how that changes the argument at all, though.
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09-04-2007 16:14
From: Asher Bertrand
I'm not sure I totally understand that.

Do you mean that it's easier to go around in furry form in SL? Sure, I'd buy that. Don't really see how that changes the argument at all, though.


my point is whoever conceived of and/or whoever executed it got SL totally wrong, you cannot bring RL into SL very well, morals and norms are different, avatars can teleport from point to point, fly, build stuff out of thin air with no loss of natural resources... etc.
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Asher Bertrand
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09-04-2007 16:18
From: Gordon Wendt
my point is whoever conceived of and/or whoever executed it got SL totally wrong, you cannot bring RL into SL very well, morals and norms are different, avatars can teleport from point to point, fly, build stuff out of thin air with no loss of natural resources... etc.


... and?

Sorry, but I don't think that the way that you "get SL" is going to be the same for everyone. That doesn't make your way right and their way wrong, or vice versa. For some people, morals are very much set, no matter where they are or what they do.
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09-04-2007 17:20
From: Oryx Tempel
OK I got through page 17 of this thread and gave up, so forgive me if this has already been asked:

WHERE exactly is this place? I was at the Koeln am Rhein - Germany sim, in the Cologne City area. Are we talking about the really badly textured big building in the center? (The inside is okay, I guess, but I've seen nicer in SL.) I can't see any signs about anyone not being welcome... am I in the wrong place?


Yes your in the wrong place, that build isn't very good at all, I think Furries were employed as cheap labour. Theres a post in this thread that gives the slurl, I myself have not been able to TP there though.
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09-04-2007 17:50
The island is mostly closed. Supposedly, it is open 11 am to 1 pm SLT, but when I went there at that time today, it was still unavailable.
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09-04-2007 17:54
It is set to group only for now. Give them some time.
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09-04-2007 18:43
From: Asher Bertrand
... and?

Sorry, but I don't think that the way that you "get SL" is going to be the same for everyone. That doesn't make your way right and their way wrong, or vice versa. For some people, morals are very much set, no matter where they are or what they do.


I agree that not everyone "gets" sl the same way but comparing real life animals in a church or even people wearing masks in a church versus people in an animal avatar or as they would prefer in animal form (many people consider themselves to be more furry than human and express that in SL, not my thing but to each his own) just doesn't transfer to second life you just can't make that comparison since it's so far out there.
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Asher Bertrand
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09-04-2007 20:00
From: Gordon Wendt
I agree that not everyone "gets" sl the same way but comparing real life animals in a church or even people wearing masks in a church versus people in an animal avatar or as they would prefer in animal form (many people consider themselves to be more furry than human and express that in SL, not my thing but to each his own) just doesn't transfer to second life you just can't make that comparison since it's so far out there.


Agree to disagree? I think it's "so far out there" to insist one's civil rights are in jeopardy because they are asked to use these pixels and not those to access a portion of a computer game/world/whatever.
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09-04-2007 20:02
From: Asher Bertrand
Agree to disagree? I think it's "so far out there" to insist one's civil rights are in jeopardy because they are asked to use these pixels and not those to access a portion of a computer game/world/whatever.


I think I can agree to that, or disagree with that or disagree to agree.
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09-04-2007 20:08
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