Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

New Rule:: Nobody argue with Wilhelm.

*smirks* Anyone can make any foolish rule. IF no one questioned rules, then this world would be an even more foolish place than it is. There are always proper channels to debate foolish rules.

And if you don't think people protest all sorts of things, here and RL, I suggest turning off the PC and going into that ~outside~ more often =^.^=

~Jessy

well there could be 2 reasons

1. 9/10 furry avatars have scripts, that do not even casue a kb of lag, but some think they do

2. the guy wants to keep it as real as possible as it IS a recreation, so no furries are allowed, it doesn't bug me, becasue i have the default human av in my inventory

IM me in game I will give you the name of the sim owner who is on my friends list. He will tell you exactly who initiated a public discussion and set a time and date, who wanted a public debate and who welcomed english guests and even opened scripts for their babblers to work. A hint: It wasn`t me it was them, _the sim owner himself_.

You are really going to far by insinuating me stirring a protest or even wanting to cause grief. What I wrote in my OP was exactly what I meant and wanted: I serious and orderly discussion about this issue. We all know that they are two possible opinions. Even I can understand the position of the builders very well eventhough I am furry and not even christian. Turning this thing against me is really going to far. You got me wrong completely.

No, sir, you do not understand and the drivel you just posted proves it.

The problem was the inapporopriate singling out of one particular group. If you were in the least bit interested in something other than "being right" you would note that the owners agreed to change the inappropriate phrasing, but retained the humans-only rule. This was and is acceptable, as it is thier land and they want things to be a certain way. It was simply unessesary to pick on furrs, as the rule was broader than that.

If anyone is being rather overly focused on himself, its the one claiming he knows best for everyone else and insisting those different from him hush.

I would say you didn't read my post

anyhow that's fine

you dont consider the words "racism, bigotry and predjudice " to not cover the "singling out of a single group" that's cool *boggle* i'm sorry i dont speak your english.

I would say you're stretching my definition way too far to manage to include "racism, bigotry and predjudice". You're being extreme in your interpretation.

I'm talking something merely innapropriate, not flat out immoral.

I know you told me he started it

I'm saying that there should not have been a need to start it that this thread should not have been posted

that no group was singled out

that this was not an issue of anything remotely to what people tried to make it into

you posted the link you told people to go gather there not me and I didn't start this thread or try to shed light on this silly subject

lol i'm sorry but this is just laughable. I'm glad you got your way but that's about where it stands. You managed to make enough noise for a guy to notice you so that he would contact you and "negotiate".


so again I will repeat it there was no issue but you made it one because you feel that you are being singled out as a group in some racist or bigotted fashion and managed to convince him of this so you dont have to change to a human avatar.

so next time someone demands Ichange to a furry avatar I will refuse based on the fact that I should be accepted for who i am and he is singling out human avatars /shrug

I reckon it has - especially if the new signs now no longer specifically target furries.

I haven't seen the current German ones yet, but if they've been changed in the same way, too, then all's well.

There was, initially.

Have someone translate the original German sign for you if you don't believe the three translations posted in this thread.

I believe Wihelm argues in these forum threads to hear the sound of his fingers hitting the keys. There was a issue - to furries- you may personally decide to dismiss it - but that does not make it a non-issue to others. Flame on brother.

what would you call singling out an individual or group of individuals and not letting them do something or go somewhere based on a look or appearance? Ican't think of anything else to call it other then what it is being called.

that's what racism and bigotry and predjudice is its not allowing or giving the same rights to a group based on who and what they are. Now your saying that this isnt' want they were saying? well then what was it?

I read phrases like "we should be accepted for who we are"
" furries are gods creatures too" or somethingl ike that
a lot of silly stuff

what they are is people who can put on a costume of on type or another and roleplaying a fantasy character in a game. What this guy was doing was saying "I dont really want this kind of roleplay here"

Then i here that no one thinks that building a representation of a cathedral in second life is roleplaying

I'm sorry but when we are in second life we are all playing a role of some sort or another and really aren't elves or vampires whatever and its stretching it to say that there is some kind of anti whatever or persecution of a group because you dont want that type of content in your sim

ah had enough of this i'm not even flaming but trying to reason with people who wont listen cause i'm stupid and write drivel and whatnot okay this thread has degraded into personal attacks so i guess i will report it

have a nice day

Ok, VooDoo is right, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

This thread and the protests managed a positive change, and no stepping on the owner's rights was nessesary. Why you won't see that is beyond my ken. Why you're insisting on generalising furries when there is no "furry central command" is also beyond my ken. Why you're trying to alter the meaning of my own workds is equally beyond my ken.

I read it and didn't consider that saying no furries meant anything more then saying no human avatars.

If i had had my dragon avatar on and seen that sign i simply would have changed to the human one and continued on and not given it another thought ... again it really wasn't that big a deal despite what people are saying

nah your telling me idont understand when i do

I dont want to see this thread on this forum and i said that about 20 times and didn't want to see it here for several reasons

1) it would probably ultimately result in what did happen protesters from both sides clogging the sim and then the sim crashing
2) it was not a good way to solve the problem


YOu tell me i dont understand when i do because i use different words and i try to show you I do understand BUT DONT AGREE and now i'm arguing for daring to say this?

meh okay everyone flame wihlelm because he's obviously wrong

anyhow i reported the thread Ihope they lock it as it should not have been here to start with because it got some guys sim crashed

clear for you?

Yes, you're taking your ball and going home. Bye now.

yup im a flamer and and am only here to argu and dramatic and just like to hear the sound of my keyboard what would you like me to do. See now your not happy i said i've had enough and give up and am reporting it. This does not please you either . what can i do to please you .

Would agreeing with you help?

why should i continue on this path?

masochism maybe? i dunno but seems like a fruitless path seeing as i post the way i do and its "drivel" and I am twisting your words

/shrug

Kewl, the post already served it's purspose. Only flaming and trolling going on now *smirks*

As for "trying to reason with people" *cough*

You're saying that what two people did to come to an acceptable agreement between them is wrong?

Ermmm.....yeah. That's reasonable.

~Jessy

But why do they want to go where they're not wanted? It seems many people here are always going to where they're not wanted, just like here.

Sl is pretty big to make a big stink about not being accepted someplace. They don't want furries? So what? Move on then.


Report this thread? You got to be kidding.

If you read "no furry" to be "no non-human avatar", then it is you, my friend, who has the problem, not I or my kind. An elf is not a furry. A robot is not a furry. A demon is not a furry. A vampire is not a furry. A dragon is maybe a furry, but not really. A neko is maybe a furry, but not really. A furry is a furry.

As I said before, I can't be held accountable for your blatant misuse of a word.

do you think that possibly she could have come to this solution without the thread and posting and calling in of people to protest and stuff? I do

he seems like he was a reasonable fellow and perhaps to reasonable.

and in going the route of not posting
his sim would not have been clogged up and no one would have crashed it

I'm sorry you dont understand this concept of quietly dealing with what you think is an issue but if he was a reasonable person which it sounded like he was then no posts were needed

If after contacting him quietly they got no results then other methods would have made more sense

See where I come from you dont escalate it first and then try the quiet method. You try the quiet method and least disruptive method first and then take your "causes" up a notch and get more and more vocal about it and not do it backwards and just go BOOM and then try to negotiate

but we will never know will we because they didn't try this first not from what has been revealed here they just pounced which is a very bad way to do this kind of stuff in sl or in real world

okay? if a furry is a non human avatar then what's the issue elves are not human avatars as well and robots and and and

so yeah i got lots of problems it looks like

ah well such is life

... a lot of the same only with more clothes. Historically speaking. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Damn, seems the sim is down right now, I live half an hour away from the real Kölner Dom and would like to check out it's Sl counterpart, the original is an extremely expressive sight to behold. I first found another Cologne and a cathedral there that looks so ridiculous (i9magine planting a lighttower and saying it's the eifeltower and yur sim is now paris) that I was beginning to doubt the reason of all the posters here... All that fuzz for THIS?

The fact that english isn't their native language couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it ya think? I agree with Wilhelm. People were way too quick to knee jerk and cast themselves in the role of victims, and I feel sorry for the sim owners for having to put up with it, which they did very graciously from the sound of it.

Fallacy of composition... sort of. Individual A belongs to group X, so all members of group X are the same as group A.

In any event, the only one responsible for that line of logic is you.