Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

Well it seems this isn't just one builder. This is the catholic church coming into SL.

do you even understand what roleplay is? from your answer not your taking this as somehow furries fit into his sim where he wants a realistic representation both in look and feel of the place.

Furries dont fit that mold, nor robots, nor walking boxes. The only thing that first the mold of a realistic church gathering in a very old cathedral that people go miles out of their way to visit in real life is human avatars. This i whether you like it or not an issue of APPROPRIATE roleplay. If you want to go to his sim obey his rules or dont go. These rules are no different then any other roleplay sim

"faith and forgivness and religion" have NOTHING to do with this.

When I go to certain areas in SL I roleplay them as such no requesting or rules are needed its just an assumption I make.

this has nothing to do with a furries rights or anything else. This has to do with how he wants HIS sim to look and how he wants people who are visiting his sim to roleplay it. If you go to a fancy ball and wear jeans in real world they probably will kick you out on your butt. If you go to a restuarant that requires a tie and a jacket they will not let you in. If you go to a cathedral they have rules to and you obey them or not go. Now you want to break all the rules because its SL. In this case the rules make sense and go with the build there is no issue here except a bunch of people who dont want to take a folder with default avatar built in it and drag it over themselves so they can visit a sim in the proper roleplay fashion.

In all honestly I wanted to build a sim and I want it to look a certain way it probably will only allow humans in if i get people bothering me about their rights i will probably shoot myself in the head or scoop my eyes out with a melond baller and quit. Yes it will have "public access" but the public will be required to dress a certain way and i expect that people will observe that rule and dress to fit the atmosphere that I will create.

I think this is an abuse of these people I think you should leave them alone because what your doing picketing him etc etc is abuse reportable and tantamount to harassment. Leave him along dont bother him and go elsewhere and grow up a bit and have some sense of respect otherwise I dont want to see any complaints from you people about people going into your places without banlines and having sex in your house. its public right? there are no warning signs and no banlines and no rules therefor anything goes!

This is smply respecting your fellow human being and accepting his right to choose when it comes to his art and his enjoyement and a bunch of people with a selfish attitude making demands of him.

it sucks and I am very disappointed to see this thread even exists

yes its an rp area all of sl is rp in a sense its not real and we are all playing at being something

good for them now leave them alone and stop greifing them!

Nobody is griefing them, for crying out loud. Quit devaluing that word.

Your argument is weakened by the fact that one group was specifically targeted.

Give it time, this is Second Life after all.

It looks just like a big building right now, fairly empty. I'm not sure quite what the point of it actually is, as there's no information in English that I can see anywhere.

Okay, no one's griefing them. I'm Christian myself (Christian Buddhist...Nondenominational Christian with a Buddhist lifestyle). Though I find Catholicism corrupted, I have no reason to "grief" this church. Hell I haven't even been there.

I respect freedom...and I respect SL for giving that freedom. What I'm trying to say is this: Why restrict furries from being there, when thousands of other different avatars can? Furries aren't allowed, but Vampires are. Furries aren't allowed, but DEMONS are. Heck anything that doesn't have a "headpiece", is dressed accordiingly, and isn't "Furry" is allowed.

Seriously, I might just truly go there as a macro muscled demon in a suit.

really there was a protest yesterday on his sim where people were using voice changers and stuff and telling furries they could go in. picketing and protesting alone is griefing then adding on top the voice changers its griefing. Have you guys left this alone for a day your still bothering him. its griefing leave him alone he has done NOTHING TO YOU

A gaggle of people protesting your sim because you have a dress code is not griefing? I'd pretty much say it is, almost by definition, if not with the scripts.

Heh, that was probably the people picketting the picketters.

furries include anthing that is not human to most people including me

robots boxes dragons cats dogs horses mechs and wahtever non human avatar that fits into this equation its the sl buzzword for non human avatar get used to it if i say furry i mean anything that is not human!

Because they want the pictures to look like a real life church? It's so simple yet taken out of context and overblown - they want it to look like REAL LIFE, all the way around. A furry in real life is someone in a COSTUME. It is not an organic being, as in SL. Granted, this IS SL and the rule is regrettable because some people are really attached to their furry avatars. But the point remains - if they want the church to look like a real world church, they should be able to do so without ridicule and the slander of bias.

One person does not a group of griefers make, and it was one person who did the silly voice changer nonsense. Protesting is not griefing if it is done within certain bounds. As I said, quit devaluing that word. Not everything that isn't hugs and congratulations is griefing. Also, "you guys" is a lot of people; the crossover from this thread and the inworld protests is not 100% by a longshot.



No, it isn't.

If you use a word wrong, nobody but yourself can be held responsible for what transpires as a result of that misuse. A robot is not a furry. An elf is not a furry. A vampire is not a furry. Hell, a neko isn't even really a furry.

this thread was posted in a request to have a "protest" at a guys sim. Now I dont even care who said it. YOu caused a stir and made a scene in this guys sim. Had you not been here none of what i have seen being related would have happened.

The fact that the guy is talking to you is admirable I probably woulda just bannd you and left it at that. I think he is being very accomodating but your still at it from what i can see 24 hours later on a long weekend.

His sim was turned into a circus (no pun intended) . I truly would be tearing the build down now and have switched the sim to private so I give him credit for having more patience with this issue thenI would for this alone you should be giving him respect and a break. He has my respect anyhow for putting up with this ^%^$%^%.

No, you're only half right. They should be allowed to do so, yes. Nothing says that frees them from the repercussions, however. With the freedom to discriminate comes the freedom to express your displeasure at discrimination.

Well I found instructions, they're on the back of the signs.

In English it says "no headpieces" ... which to me is something you wear with an ipod. Otherwise it includes hair.

I don't understand any purpose ... although nobody seems willing to actually speak english to me so far. Pretty poor if you ask me.

a thrad was posted to this forum for a bunch of guys to go hold a protest I dont care what your definition of the word is and your derailing the thread with this

the fact of the matter is a mob was requested via this forum to form of avatars which feel they have some right to go do this and bother this guy and ruin his fun time. The fact of the matter is that causes stress which is grief which your probably blaming him for because he decided how he wanted this built do look and of course its HIS fault for the protest most likely

again leave the guy alone and stop griefing him and yes it is grief he can abuse report the lot of you and ban you period end of sentance and that means that you cant ever go there again as a human avatar. Stop making a stink over what is basically a NON issue let him breath and have some fun and enjoy his build.

Its a german cathedral he's allowed not to speak english.

People are all too willing to assign bias where there is none.

Who's talking about bias?

Just because a building looks like a church doesn't make it a church. And the converse is true. Unless the Catholic Church has sactioned this build as a consecrated place of worship, then all the moral indignity , and Catholic bashing is a bit off base. It becomes mere the case of a sim owner, restricting accesss to his sim to a certain group, which may be unfortunate, but not worthy of the uproar ...in my opinion.

A group of people protested on his sim HIS sim and came exactly in the way he requested you not to come that is griefing your filling his sim up with avatars he essentailly says are not allowed making it so that people who just want to enjoy the sim can't go. That is indeed griefing no matter how you slice it. He doesn't want you there so you show up en masse demanding to go there anyhow and make a public scene of it and spectacle on his sim. You post a message to a forum calling for recruits to your cause to disrupt the sim despite his requets that you not be there. Again the fact that he didn't ban you and leave it at that is admirable, but the fact remains that you are bothering him and causing him to take time away from what he really wants to do and deal with a mob of furries who demand he let them in or something. This is griefing.

When I've come across people that don't speak any English in SL, I make an attempt to try and converse with them - even if it has to be a badly translated computer generated effort, and people appreciate the effort.

Why is it so hard for them to make an effort? Even the badly translated signs could have been done better, I'm sure someone would have been happy to help them.

I wasn't aware the sims were 'German only'.