Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

Furries could always retaliate by banning Cologne Cathedral from their land!

Or by just not wearing Cologne

Whilst I may not necessarily agree with the 'furry ban', the landowner does actually have complete control and final say over who does and doesn't have access to the land they pay for.

Ever heard of people complaining against Gorean sims for being kicked out for not being "in character", and actually getting anywhere?

We have no "rights" at all. Only privileges granted to us by Linden Lab and the owner of the land you are currently on. That's the stark truth of the matter, end of discussion.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you wish to go someplace where you are not wanted? Let the free market decide these issues, not the government. Government enforced association is just as morally wrong as government enforced discrimination.

Question is though ... how many people have complained about that for "intolerance" and got any action taken? I'd guess the fact it's still there, even though it's blatantly discriminatory, says much.

They have every right to bar any group they want to from land they own. The rest of us have every right to voice our opinions about how stupid and intolerant it makes them look.

I wonder if they would or have gone so far as to actually ban furries who show up.

Furries do exist in RL

... as humans dressed up pretending to be animals.

Walking talking people-like cartoon animals do not exist in the same sense that humans do in real life.


Humans who identify themselves as furries and wear costumes do.

As promised, here are the results from the Chebi mosque )

I went there right now. At the entrance there is an object giving out veils for the ladies. I took one, fittet it to my rather big kitty head and entered the built. It's quite impressive. There was an av with an arabic name so I asked them right away: "Can I be a furry here? Could I even pray here if I was Muslim?" Short but clear answer: "Yes!"

Guys, this is ridiculous. Both Judaism and Islam even have rules about certain animals and yet furries are allowed into their virtual places of worship. Why? Because furries are neither real animals nor people in disguise. We are one of the many virtual species found in SL. When you sign up your account you can even choose between furry and human.

You mean the cathedral is something like a RP area, like, let's say, Midian City? Doesn't make sense to me.

Abolla Ergo Sum

imogen

What is disrespectful about being another species in a virtual world? If you are dressed properly, don't wear weapons or hats, you are respecting the site. I asked at Chebi mosque and Ir Shalom temple - furries are welcome there if they dress respectfully. I was getting laughed at when I asked if furries are allowed!



I feel hurt by the fact that you treat my choice of avatar as something disrespectful, capitalization of every word doesn't make it better.

Since most furries I know are pretty much skilled builders, maybe they are just afraid if they let furries in, people would figure out how shoddy the build is.

Well, now that you asked... I *don't* want to go to their silly little build, even if they begged me. I'm also not furry (at the moment, in SL anyway). But *if* I wanted to go somewhere and I found that place barred me because of skin color or sexual orientation, that place would be owned by Governor Linden the next day. That's the nice way, relying on Community Standards; should those ever cease to work, discrimination of that sort is subject to RL laws. And that's a function I insist my government provide--many people lost their lives and livelihoods both in the 1860s (before which the free market really did decide such things) and in the 1960s to make it be so here in the US, and it is the height of folly to give up what liberties were won at such a cost.

Now, there are good arguments in defense of the Cologne cathedral rules, and others have made them. But an appeal to the rights of individuals to systematically discriminate against groups is not advancing those arguments. It is just offending the sensibilities of anyone who's ever been discriminated against.

That all seems fair enough really. Just wear a different avatar when you go in. At the end of the day, being a furry is just a suit of clothes and anyone has the moral right to impose a dress code if they wish.

Unfortunately it's very easy for anyone to "claim discrimination" just because things don't go the way they want them to.

The signs are all in German, everyone is speaking German and refuses to acknowledge the fact I only speak English. Isn't that discriminatory?

Ironic day to have this discussion too

Okay, I'm jumping the last three pages to post this before I leave:

If I visit a Gor or chivalry sim, I'm asked to wear a tag.
If I visit a number of ballrooms, I'm asked to wear formal dress.

When I go to a RL cathedral, I go there for peace, reverence, solitude .. solace. I don't go there to look at the other visitors. I want to ignore them. I want them to ignore me. I want them to see right past me without a thought as I look past them at the architecture, the art .. the atmosphere.
I don't want to see harlequin costumed clowns. I don't want to see multi-coloured rastafarians with ghetto blasters blaring. I don't want to see fire-breathing dragons or I'm sorry to say, pink lynxes! I don't in all honesty want to see anybody.
I think some of the posters here are taking offence at the sentence .. and ignoring the sentiment.

For an hour .. two max ... is it really against all principles to open Inventory, go to Library/Objects/Citywhatever and drag the folder onto your avie?

Goodnight all x

Or maybe they can just shave their backs.

Just a personal opinion, but using the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement as an analogy to someone acting like a twit in a glorified video game is a bit much. They went through all the trouble to build it, if they now want to keep a segment of the users from seeing their work, Oh well. Their shortsided loss. Let it sit empty like all the corporate sims.

Rei, no one is being barred entry from the Cathedral. You are not your avatar. If you so strongly self-identify with whatever attachments you have on that you would equate a request that you not wear them in certain places with real discrimination (as in real world racism, sexism, or the like), that's taking SL identity to absurdist levels. If you use a different avatar to enter the Cathedral than you normally wear, are you no longer you?

Now if the sign said "no black avatars" or "no white avatars" then taking offense and making the claim that your identity is being discriminated against would be more appropriate, because the request would be a lot closer to real world discrimination, but it still wouldn't be a direct analog since no real world race would actually be being barred from entry. We're still talking about costumes, not real world identity.

What if a place forced you to be an avatar of the other sex?



This is true for RL but not for SL. Within the context of SL furry legs and paws are body parts just like prim hair ist.

All human rules of conduct, dress, social mores, and laws are nothing more than roleplay based on societal consensus. The Earth didn't come with rules of conduct by default. Humans made them all up. What is that if not roleplay?

I would either don the appropriate one or go on my way.

It's true for SL far moreso than in RL. If someone asked you to shave your head in RL before you could enter a place, that would be an unreasonable request. If you're asked in SL to remove prim hair, which you can do with a mouse click, that's not unreasonable. In fact it happens all the time.