Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

Perhaps he should speak Latin.

1) The thread was not posted to generate a protest. Read better.

2) You're the one who started the definition game, don't try to pin derailing the thread on me.



Read better.




Of course he can abuse report anyone he wants. So can I, so can you. Just because you can file an abuse report doesn't make it griefing - and of course he can ban anyone he wants, nobody is disputing that.

I've never been to the build to begin with, by the way.

Everyone who's claiming this is discriminatory rather than simply a dress code.

Watch who you accuse of what.

It's a question of how you look at avatars, I think.

Most definitely. I have to admit that I find the fierce "avatar as immutable identity" stance of those offended by this to be a little disturbing.

thats the first post there are more posts by the original poster to say please be civil at this protest and stuff i read just fine thanks its you who are not reading. she is asking furies to show up at his sim and assmeble to "say their opinion" in his sim where the catherdral is. That a protest sorry.

That's an edit, not part of the original post.

I think part of the problem is that most people - a few exceptions - are perfectly willing to say "A furry AV is just a costume, take it off for crying out loud", but much much much less willing to say "Your female/african/wheelchair bound/whatever avatar is just a costume, take it off!", when both are equally true in SL.

Exactly!!!

While I am not religious, I will behave when I visit this sim just out of respect since it is the way people should act when they are in a cultural environment such as this. But I am tempted to go there in jeans and a t-shirt (nothing trashy) to see if they are descriminating against anyone who is not dressed in Sunday School attire.

But sim owners should be allowed to set rules. Unless we are paying the bills for the sim, we are just visitors and visitors should show respect to their hosts.

PS: I still do not understand why furries get such a bad rap by some in SL. I find most furries to be adorable and every blue moon I too can be seen in a furry foxy avatar (though I am human most of the time in SL).

i haven't been their either i wish ths thread had nt been posted its generated a problem for this guy and he now has to "negotiate" i think there is a problem with that and I think he is being very patient putting up with this and I truly think he should have just banned them and be done with it.

If people cannot put on a skin for a brief period of time to be able to go there then they have to get away from SL a bit as they can no longer sort out what is real and what is not and go see the real world for a bit so they can get their sl experience back into perspective.

I honestly find people who bother other people over such issues as this to be very distasteful and i think that people need to back off and leave the sim and read his signs and obey them like theywould any other sign.

There is no descrimination its a fictional make believe story book character that he would appreciate very much not being present in his replica of a real world land mark in an effort to keep the mood and tone of the setting they way they feel it should be. There is nothing wrong with that.

Again if people can't see that they really need to step away from sl and the computer and walk around in real life for awhile and bring their sl experiences back into perspective.


Again they need to leave him alone. HE is not bothering them he likely has not managed to leave his sim even to go out since this started. He is not in furry sims telling them NOT to be furries he is doing nothing he just put up a sign saying 'here is the dress code" HE has done nothing to them.

I said it earlier, but the real world connotations are much different in those cases than with furries, robots, and the like, as those are things that don't exist in the real world. But even with those examples, lets say you want to enter the sim "Robotworld" and in order to do so you are requested to replace your female/african/wheelchair bound/whatever avatar with a robot avatar. Would it make sense in that case to claim racist/sexist/handicapped discrimination? I think a reasonable person would decide that would be taking offense where it isn't warranted.

its in the post what does that mean not part of the original post it ws there when i read it edited or not its part of the post are you saying these words DONT EXIST now thats pretty silly.

Ok, follow this.

You said the post was started to advertise a protest.

But it wasn't. Because the mention of the protest was added in later. Ergo, the thread wasn't started to do so.

having been asked to wear a furry avatar to a class on dragon making and in a few other occassions and done it I think that people are taking this way to far. If a request is made of me to put on a certain avatar to attend then this is as it is. Truly I do not get this. Examples of the reverse have been given in this thread by a couple of people yet not one furry has found fault with those examples. The only thing that is being found fault with is the opposite. This makes no sense to me and I find it very unfair.

I may think less at accomodating requests by furries in the future its obvious they can't reciprocate when the time comes.

maybe she didn't have a time and place yet and was just getting it started. I can't read her mind and neither do you. One thing is for certain though she put this thread up in order to get a reaction or the thread would not exist. This is not a resident answer thread this is "omg this is so unfair thread" with a picture of her standing by a sign with rules on them. Edited or not the fact of the matter is this thread was started in order to gather support for the "furry community" in something that was found in her mind to be grossly unfair in a dress code.

It might depend - did the sign target one thing specificly and ignore other problems, as this sign did, or did it have a blanket statement of "Robots only"? The two aren't the same issue.

In any event, my stance is that if you're willing to declare ANY avatar fair game, fine, knock yourself out, declare verboten what you will. If your going to say it's different because theres a real-world analogy to the avatar and thus off limits, then no, I'm going to call hypocrite.

"Get a reaction" can mean anything, not "start a protest".

So? What's your point? Are you claiming she does't have the right to voice her opinion? Nor to get the opinion of others, which seems a proper use of this forum?

There is an entire german only community - the requirement is you must speak german to live and build there

there is also a japanese - the requirement is that you must speak japanese in order to live and build there
there gay pride set of sims - the requirement is you must be gayin order to live and build there

there are furry only sims or rather a set of them as well - the requirment is that you must use a furry avatar in order to live and build there

in these sims you are not alllowed to settle in them unless you fit the demographic the sim were created for. they are about 10 sims and a bunch of void sims fit togehter to form a small shall we say country or continent and the rules are enforced. If you buy land to buld on there you must fit all demographics. They are owned by ansche chung and the information about them can be found on her website.

There is also now an entire seperate german community that popped up and started at christmas time. Its owned by germans and run by germans and all the covenants and everything is written in german. If you go to rent a store there the language on the rental boxes is german. The requirment is this your main language must be german. They do not require that you speak english because its for german speaking players only.

There is a lot of this in sl and this stuff is becomming more and more common now suddnely we have one set of people upset over things that have been a norm now for almost a year.

I can't remember the name of the sims that you can only be furry in but I do remember browsing them for land to buy and having to switch to a furry avatar to look at them.

again with all this mess and protesting I think its time to be less understanding and accomodating to those who think there isa need to protest. It just is not the case

It depends on context and intent. Someone who made their sim "whites only" would obviously be treading on far more sensitive ground and no one would be surprised that it would cause a great deal of offense, and it would likely run afoul of the TOS provisions barring hate speech. But, in the Robotworld example I gave, even though the result would be very similar, the intent would obviously be very different. The aforementioned bias enters into this because people are assuming that the Cathedral's posted rules are akin to the first example rather than the second, all because of the way they worded their rules. The assumption is biased, and I believe (unless proven to the contrary), unfair.

Chris brought up a really great point earlier in the thread about group identity and a resultant persecution complex. That's understandble to an extent given the amount of anti-fur griefing and harassment that's happened in SL, but the group identity is something wearers of other types of costumes like mechas simply don't share. I think that kind of group identity can be counter-productive because it's a form of tribalism and it automatically sets up an us versus them dynamic that predisposes people to take offense where it may not be warranted at all.

it has generated trouble for this person and its not needed my point is the next time I go to a sim that doens't let me be they way my avatar look that maybe I should start posting how unfair it and and stir up the community and start a protest and take up sim owners time like this

and yes my point is that this thread was posted to generate interest and cause trouble and nothing more its a "drama" thread but its a truly inappropriate one and personally I think that the people bothering this person should be apologizing for cause him trouble

that's what I think because this is resulting in griefing of a person on a sim. His sim not theirs..

Still playing the tribalism card, Chip?

As it happens, I don't really identify with "furrydom", because a lot of furries annoy the crap out of me. But I do wear a furry avatar, always have, and a lot of my friends do too. And it's really nothing special that furries annoy me, because the majority of every group annoys the crap out of me.

But regardless of if I identify as a furry or not, the sign targets me. So... ya know? Kinda hard to say it wasn't aimed at me.

Accepted, but I'm quite sure that most of those would accept visitors that didn't fit their "requirement". If those in one particular community keep themselves to themselves then I think they're probably the ones losing out, not the rest of us, to be perfectly honest with you.

What you're essentially saying is that the sims listed above are exercising their right to prevent certain 'types' of avatar on their land. Why is that any different than what this group is doing by saying 'no furries'?

I'll never stop playing that one, since the herd instinct is the aspect of humanity I find most thoroughly destructive and annoying. In this case, I simply fail to understand why changing into a different avatar in order to go someplace in SL is somehow an affront to individual identity. You're still the same person regardless of what you happen to be wearing at the time. It says so right over your head.