Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

Thanks, that's a good point. The rules would be just as silly whether they had anything to do with religion or not, but I'm too apt to overlook the need to be especially tolerant when religion is involved. I still believe the people who dreamt up the rules made themselves look ridiculous, but it's probably best to temper the corresponding ridicule, given the religious sensitivities at stake.

Try to Enter St. Peters Basilica, or Notre Dam de Paris Wearing a furry costume, and see how far up the front steps you get. Never mind the Guards, the Faithful will Prevent you Entering.

Believe it or not Some Catholics DO take their Faith Seriously, and Expect their Holy Sites to be respected. It's a small thing to ask of Guests, that they remember Where they are, and behave with a modicum of Decorum and Self Discipline.

And before you all Start the chorus of "It's not Real" Ask how Understanding you would be of someone desecrating a reproduction of something You Hold Dear, Your Bible, or other Icon of your faith, A Flag, or Symbol of your Government. That it is a Digital representation of the Real thing doesn't matter. It's the Disrespect behind the action that Hits home for people to whom these objects, and sites hold Deep relevance.

I have always treated Other Peoples Faiths with Respect. It's not a hardship for me to do so, and If someone has Created a Digital Representatiion of their faith in SL, I will Treat it with Equal respect.

Angel.

Respect isn't a right, it's earned and you don't earn respect by implying fascists rules on one part of the community in any world, no respect! so how can they be disrespected?

okay i'm getting sucked into this ridiculous argument but i can't help myself

i guess humans should now be allowed on sims that require that we put on a furry avatar to attend because respect is earned and I can't handle this fascist rule!!11!!!!!!!! eleventy seven!

I didn't know furries were a representation of real world activities? If furries existed in the Real World and insisted that I wore a custom to get into their church, then yes I'd be p*ssed at them too.

I am treating them with equal respect.

They chose to disrespect the furry community. I chose to make fun of them and ridicule them for their hypicritical behaviour.

I really don't care if it's a religion or not. If people state time and time and time again, that their group (religious or not) is for peace and forgivness, but do acts of hate and discrimination, then they are stupid.

The equal respect comes about that I really don't give a rat's behind what they would think of me *grins*. And for the record, I'm neither furry, nor religious in any reguard. I'm just Jessy.

~Jessy

This is the Simplistic confusion i expect from people who Feel being Rude and disrespectful to people and institutions they do not Know or Understand is some kind of Right. Calling it Facism that they are expected to treat people with respect when the very Foundations of facism are to remove All feelings of simple human respect from ALL people.

These people have NOT attempted to impose their List of rules ANYWHERE else But Within the Confines of their Own House. If you Feel you Cannot Obey the Simple rules of respect they have layed down for their House, then you are Under NO obligation what-so-ever to Go there. By all means Stay Home. If you are Incapable of simple human Respect, your Contributions will Not be Missed.

Angel.

Ummm a private party cannot impose Fascism. It is an economic system where the means of production (property) is privately owned and production (rules on that private property) is controlled by the state. So zoning laws passed by the state are classically fascist. Saying that a group cannot enter into a building on your sim is not.

QFT

Well i get pissed then everytime someone asks me to put on a "business suit" to go to a meeting in SL or to wear a furry avatar to take a dragon making class. Its roleplay nothing wrong with it so there pipe that in your put and smoke it.



no really how can you get worked up at this its pretty disrepectful to demand something be a certain way when you aren't footing the bills Oo

bottom line and you dont answer my actual statements which means your not reading what is being said

I HAVE been asked to change to a furry avatar to fit into a situation I dont balk and get pissed off and protest and cause trouble if they want to maintain a certain look and feel i will do as they request out of common courtesy to the person who actualy owns the place and put on a furry avatar and not bat an eyelid. Its not like its my skin and I will require plastic surgery to do it or doesn't the opposite end of the spectrum matter? how is one group of "rights' if we really want to calll them that more important then another groups rights to NOT put on a furry avatar. Oh wait . you will tell me to not go there .. or should i start posting protest threads next time I have to don an avatar that is not the usual one in order to be allowed to go to a sim that requires i change? lol

There are locations and sims where a male avatar isn't allowed to enter, too. It's their property, and their right to admit or refuse passage to whomever they choose. It's a shame that some Furries are denied access to a representation of places from their native country ... but it isn't the actual site, it's a reproduction that anyone with the time and commitment can make someplace else with their own rules.

If they "own" the land, build it up as they choose with their own labor and resources, then it's theirs to run as they see fit, regardless of the babble of the rabble.

Their house, I agree. Making it a public access, but then disrespecting part of the public? Idiotic.

~Jessy

How much again did you kick in to pay their tier and land expenses? None? Ok then it is still their house.

Why would you do that?

perhaps a series of IM showing disaproval would work better.

Just dont go there, or patronize the Owner(s)

they are not being disrepectful, but demanding to be let onto a place where they have set rules to maintain a certain look and feel = roleplay is pretty disrespectful and again this makes no sense there are all kinds of sims where various types of avatars are not allowed

no men
no humans
no women
no furries
no humans, or furries cause we are vampires

this is no different and its just a bunch of people who are somewhat well looking for a cause I think we were needing a new one but I ahte to say it since this is a replica of a cathedral in a particular setting where furries dont fit in or robots or whatever your trying to crash their party which is unfair to them.

plus your endangering the thing even being present at all in sl with this because if push comes to shove they will just take it down and leave.

There are sims that require people to wear furry outfits now?

Funny, never knew that...

Anyone with an avatar that does not resemble their RL self is masquerading. SL itself is one huge masquerade. If masquerading is viewed as disrespectful, then perhaps they should not have chosen to put their church here at all.

Many SL places do have dress codes (including some that require you to be nude), however, so I suppose they are within their rights, no matter how absurd and insensitive it seems.

Well, if it's a "house of God" then it's all our house, right? *chuckles*

They can do anythign they want on their land, yes, I agree, got it?

However, when they open up to the public, then they open up to public review. They don't like it, they can change, or they can eat it, or they can close it to the public.

Quite frankly, I'm not bothering these people a bit. I heard, and saw, their contradiction of policy verses faith and have wisely decided to avoid that place. I really don't care about it one way or another.

What I do care about is that hate has crept a bit more onto the grid. This time as discimination hiding under teh guise of religion. That is the point that pisses me off. I don't care if a chuch is in SL, but saying their a chuch then being a bigot to people simply because of their choice of avatar representation is foolish.

What will really be funny is if they ever need help from a Linden who just also happens to be a furry *smirks* I'd love to be there for that conversation "Excuse me, Linden. Please change into a human avatar while here in our house." ^.^

~Jessy

The only hate I have seen is the hatred of people who are unable to force their will upon a private party.

If the Linden in question has any class, they will change without being asked.

Will you be picketing the Isle of Lesbos next?

I used to take classes where you learn to make dragon avatars one of the class requirements was that we NOT show up as human. It was on mystica. I have no idea if they still do it but last year they were and yes there were (i have no idea if they still exist as I dont venture around sl a lot due to the lag issues so i go to people's houses and that's about it) at one time sims where human avatars were prohibited.

Truth, that.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Linden Lab policy is the liason must change thier avatar under these conditions, should the land/sim owner (or recognised agent) request it.

Like they are trying to impose on others as well? Pot. Kettle. Black.



*shrugs* Prolly. Though it's still crass to even ask.



Nope. Nor will I be picketing this place. Which you would know if you would read my posts.

~Jessy

They aren't imposing anything on anyone, if you don't like their rules, you don't have to go to their sim. It is the "oh poor me, I am being discriminated against" furries that are trying to impose their view of SL upon the owners of this sim.

I feel for you. At the same time, as a child avatar, I'm not allowed in many place (and I'm not talking sex places). I was even asked to leave a predominantly fur region the other day - not for being a non-fur, but for being a kid.

In the end, though, it is their land. We can complain about it, but it is still their say, as wrong headed as it might be.

Mari

Actually, no it's not. I'm not a furry and I find these people distasteful.

Once more; It's becasue they claim they are of an organisation that claims to be forgiving and loving and are acting nothing of the sort.

But you are right in one thing, since I don't like it, I won't go there. I hope they enjoy their nice empty building.

Nini
~Jessy