Furry ban in Cologne cathedral

The agreement was to put up an additional sign stating: As long as the real life church administration has not published an official statement about conduct in a virtual church, real life rules will apply. These include, among other things, that no walking speaking animals should enter because they dont exist in RL. Period. Many agreed on it, and that`s how the discussion ended. We walked together into the cathedral sim and then sadly, some griefer sent nasty particles. End of story. I dont know who it was but they sent furfag insults by IM. I met the sim owner after that in private and talked about it. The best thing is to leave them in peace! Its up to the RL authorities now to have a word. If they decide that any avatar might enter cause closed. If they decide that no fantasy creatures shall enter a virtual church then so be it. It will then not be an "anti-furry" sim but simply a "RL imitating" sim, just like Midian City or Gor is. If you want to enter it, you need to be human, or you stay out. End of story.

I Hope wen can close this thread now in peace before it gets wiped.

You're seeing it through emotional response. You seem to want it to be hate.

I'm saying that inapporpriatte discrimination was reacted to. That's it. That's nto a semantic argument, it's trying for clarity and ignoring the nutters who went ape. The comparisons to racism were attempts to clarify what folks were feeling, not equating.

And, going down the list, in order...

1) Hot headed, but not a cry of racism, just small-mindedness - which, IMO, is fair.

2) Fair cop, but one does not a pattern make.

3) Not a claim of anything, just a statement of outrage. Name calling, yes, but that's a separate issue.

4) Not a claim of racism - a fair discussion point that several mature posters here have discussed at length both in this thread and others in the past.

5) By the posters own admission, paranoid hyperbole.

So, sorry, no.

The thread will be closed not wiped, wont it? Strife just said recently he doesnt delete threads.

SO basically all that happened is the church changed its official rationalle for not allowing furries. But furries are still not allowed?

Saw and dismantled, thanks.

And plenty of people stopped to consider alternatives - there was, in fact, considerable debate as to reasons of why, the logic behind the sign, questions of nationality, religion, and culture - in fact, a fair bit of reasonably mature debate. Were there a few hotheaded individuals? As with any facet of the internet, certainly, but you are far too willing to condemn the good because of a few wildcards.

So far as I know the Church itself hasn't changed anything. The builder and nominal caretaker of the sim (as I understand the arrangement) has changed the wording to be more politic, but, essentially, yes, nothing has changed, nor will it until the Church decides to change things.

More they aren't singling out furries when the point was broader than that.

More than acceptable.

Whatever just stop the flaming please! It makes me feel extremely uncomfortable. I am the last person who wants to grief the church!



No they aren't. Simply because there was no statement yet made by those responsible.

But it is important to make clear what _reasons_ a specific ban has. Is it purely out of bigotry? Or is it to recreate a RL atmosphere? By making this clear things will change. Besides that a "furry info spot" is being planned outside of the church. (At the end it might be opened for furries anyway, just like the mosque is, who knows.)

this would be the artifical church, not the "real church" which Monalisa refered to.

No offense to Christains or anything- But its not a real church.

Basically they dont want Furries and others entering their make believe church becuase make believe avatars arent acceptable to the people who made the make believe church, only human avatars are.

Huh? Im not flaming anyone.



Furry info spot? Why?

Not you I mean the thread itself.



Why not? It's supposed to be an interim solution, until a statement will clear up the matter. I'm not really in favor of it but it was suggested.

Well if they are comfortable in their reasons for the rule - they shouldnt need one.

Sounds more like they dont want further complaints over it.

Im wondering how busy this could even be? That furries visiting would even matter.


Is this sim really busy or something?

Please don`t start all over.

RL rules have been imported into the model church because no other rules were stated so far. That's about it. Many felt hurt, singled out, discriminated. I did. The matter was first discussed, then it escalated, then it calmed down, then it was close to a solution, then hijacked by griefers, then it rested on a compromise. So please stop it now. Leave them in peace!

Im confused. Is this thread offending them?

Im not in world saying anything to anyone. Im not logged on at all. Im just discussing the situation in the thread.

I dont buy the "RL rules" explaination. Its more a "RL atmosphere" situation. Theres no "rule " against actual biological furries in RL churches. Why would there be?


Theres no possible way its a "Real" Catholic Cathedral. The Pope would have to sanction it.

First of all, this built is top quality SL architecture and worth a visit just because of that. It is a magnificent creation like the Eiffel tower or many other things are. And it is not even finished. There are more details to come. Second this project is important to the SL german community which also has a large furry population. THis building was announced to be one of the "landmarks" of germany SL. I guess it does matter and I guess this will be busy...

I was talking about possible SL grief.



I think it was about "people in costumes".



Maybe he will visit as a furry avatar case closed.

From what I read of the sign, the RL rules they imported simply mean, "Be respectful and take off your hat upon entering. Also, please wear clothing that is appropriate to being in a church." With the exception of wings, nothing was stated about it being specifically anti-furry. I mean, I took headpieces to mean quite simply, hats. Well, it is considered polite to remove one's hat upon entering a house, so... And wings are difficult for others to see around.

Also, weapons and smoking aren't allowed in many churches that I know of.. but the 'Or the like' sounds like purely their invention for SL.

I think they mean atmosphere. I keep going over some of this stuff and i'm convinced that there is a language barrier here.

Basically its what some of us have been saying all along since sl is the ultimate roleplay experience and they have made a replica of a cathedral they want it to mimic what it would look like on a daily basis and since its not usual to have foxes and elves sitting in church pews in the real version of this cathedral it kinda goes against the sense of esthetics to have them in this situation. It never was a signling out of anyone furries are the largest population of non human avatars and if you showed up as a robot i'm sure you would be booted out just as fast as a fox or chicken and told that your not allowed to be dressed that way.

No one is actualy banned from the replica only a type of costume/makup is all anyone has to do is put on a human skin and show up and take part.

I get all squirmy when i'm told to take the monkey off my shoulder (i readlly do have a monkey on my shoulder most of the time) and take off my jeans and put on a suit and put out the cigarette when attending a "business meeting" but i do it even though its not me in the sl sense. Its nothing personal they just want to play at having a rl virtual meeting with a certain feel. It truly doesn't mean anything so I see no reason to worry.

Nor as some have said should this thread even appeared on the forum its a good place for bad things to happen hehe and can cause grief as it has here. So hopefuly strife will lock the thread and life will go on. I'm still kicking myself for not reporting it when it was 3 pages long but I have only ever reported one thread and its not something i do but it needed to be locked the minute it was started

I can't answer the poll as both answers are correct.

No group of people should be excluded from anywhere but they already are = German only group of sims, gay sims, Gor etc.

Having said that, this is a private island and surely the owner has the right to do whatever they please, as we all are on our own land.

it translates:
do´s: body covering clothing
friendly behavior

dont´s: wings
head covers
weapons
furry avatars

please click for a notecard with more info

Has anyone suggested a counter-cathedral, a nice looking cathedral full of furry churchgoers and furries conducting some religious ceremonies? Put a bunch of snapshots on the web, put some videos on YouTube.

Just a thought.

It is a long tall narrow building that I found to be rather cold. If you are a practicing catholic, then yes I am sure it is a must see. It is a good build, with tall pillars and interesting windows. But honestly the Venice sim and Dresden Gallery are far more impressive. I am sure I will go back once things settle down and I will landmark it in my cultural folder. But really, chech out the Venice sim first.

i am the silliest poster on this thread. i think furries want to be real life furries. i'd like the option to be one myself. the "church" is and would be very much against this. without question. nanotech will enable so much.
so we sould burn the churches before they burn us? idk but it sounds like fun.

Bingo! Just what I suggested many pages back on this thread. As an atheist I find the entire issue a bit of a storm in a teacup but as a Fur I'd be happy to be part of a team to build up a cathedral that accepts all. Anyone got blueprints for the Notre Dame kicking around?

http://www2.art.utah.edu/cathedral/paris.html

Try that.

Broccoli