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Ricardo Harris
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10-23-2007 02:02
From: Ann Launay
No, what you initially said was this:



You clarified a bit later, but Ava's post was a perfectly legitimate (and accurate) response to the above. You basically said most people, particularly women, who claim they don't want sex in SL are liars, and you're wrong. We DO have other, perhaps better, things to do, which was her point.

I also don't see how insulting Ava's intelligence has any bearing on the argument. She said your statement was stupid and you implied that she herself was, which is not the same thing at all. Ava is one of the most consistently helpful and considerate people on these boards...she doesn't deserve such an abrasive response.

And your point is? I say some or most and you think it means everyone as she did? You guys feel you're included in the words some, most? Incredible.

This is so predictable it's not funny.

I stated most people and yes I was referring to women more so then men lie about not wanting sex in sl. Now, before I continue I'll state the same thing I said before, NOT EVERYONE but MANY, SOME, MOST do. I'll put emphasis on these words because some people don't seem to read everything or understand the meaning of certain words, they only see what they want to.

I see the reaction I've gotten and it's mainly and most likely by women which is in it self very predictable. The reason I've stated what I did before I say due to sl experience. Most men will tell you the same thing. At least those who tend to date alot know many times they will come across a stiuation like this. Where they'll meet a female who will say somewhere at the start they're not interesed in sex, yet will be and will even initiate it themselves at times. Why is this so difficult to believe?

Just because you won't do something doesn't mean others won't. Be real!

Again, it's not everyone, not every female who says NO. But many do whether some of you disagree or you like it or not. If you don't then too bad, get over it! Start a petition or a group to stop it then.

So Predictable!
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10-23-2007 02:12
From: Ricardo Harris
And your point is? I say some or most and you think it means everyone as she did? You guys feel you're included in the words some, most? Incredible.

This is so predictable it's not funny.

I stated most people and yes I was referring to women more so then men lie about not wanting sex in sl. Now, before I continue I'll state the same thing I said before, NOT EVERYONE but MANY, SOME, MOST do. I'll put emphasis on these words because some people don't seem to read everything or understand the meaning of certain words, they only see what they want to.

I see the reaction I've gotten and it's mainly and most likely by women which is in it self very predictable. The reason I've stated what I did before I say due to sl experience. Most men will tell you the same thing. At least those who tend to date alot know many times they will come across a stiuation like this. Where they'll meet a female who will say somewhere at the start they're not interesed in sex, yet will be and will even initiate it themselves at times. Why is this so difficult to believe?

Just because you won't do something doesn't mean others won't. Be real!

Again, it's not everyone, not every female who says NO. But many do whether some of you disagree or you like it or not. If you don't then too bad, get over it! Start a petition or a group to stop it then.

So Predictable!


Hold on, is it many, most or some? Or is it just the women you meet?:))
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10-23-2007 03:45
From: Ricardo Harris
........ The reason I've stated what I did before I say due to sl experience. Most men will tell you the same thing. At least those who tend to date alot know many times they will come across a stiuation like this. Where they'll meet a female who will say somewhere at the start they're not interesed in sex, yet will be and will even initiate it themselves at times. Why is this so difficult to believe?




Well I'll take your word for it.
But hey! Maybe it's not that these women are *lying*.
Maybe they really are not looking for sex but just get overcome by the guy's irresistible charm?
--and this would be a problem for you?
;)
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10-23-2007 05:06
From: Ricardo Harris

I stated most people and yes I was referring to women more so then men lie about not wanting sex in sl. Now, before I continue I'll state the same thing I said before, NOT EVERYONE but MANY, SOME, MOST do. I'll put emphasis on these words because some people don't seem to read everything or understand the meaning of certain words, they only see what they want to.


As opposed to the forums where somehow 99.9% of everyone doesn't like SL sex.

:p

Dam SLirgins.
Cherry Czervik
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10-23-2007 06:06
From: Ricardo Harris
And your point is? I say some or most and you think it means everyone as she did? You guys feel you're included in the words some, most? Incredible.

This is so predictable it's not funny.

I stated most people and yes I was referring to women more so then men lie about not wanting sex in sl. Now, before I continue I'll state the same thing I said before, NOT EVERYONE but MANY, SOME, MOST do. I'll put emphasis on these words because some people don't seem to read everything or understand the meaning of certain words, they only see what they want to.

I see the reaction I've gotten and it's mainly and most likely by women which is in it self very predictable. The reason I've stated what I did before I say due to sl experience. Most men will tell you the same thing. At least those who tend to date alot know many times they will come across a stiuation like this. Where they'll meet a female who will say somewhere at the start they're not interesed in sex, yet will be and will even initiate it themselves at times. Why is this so difficult to believe?

Just because you won't do something doesn't mean others won't. Be real!

Again, it's not everyone, not every female who says NO. But many do whether some of you disagree or you like it or not. If you don't then too bad, get over it! Start a petition or a group to stop it then.

So Predictable!


No offence but is this not a little subjective, hu?
Cherry Czervik
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10-23-2007 06:09
From: Coyote Momiji
But it's a GAAAAAME. If you respond to other people in the GAAAAAME you're obviously MENTALLY UNSTABLE and need electroshock therapy.

*sigh*


Herein lies the issue ... for those who treat it as a game and therefore other people as not important, there lies heartache for one and ignorance for the other.

This isn't a game, it's a virtual world in which you can do anything you like. Which, in my case anyway, is remember that there is someone behind the screen.

I rarely get that level of consideration back but well ... can only hold myself accountable for my actions not anyone else for theirs.
Cherry Czervik
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10-23-2007 06:12
From: Trout Recreant
I was just goofing around, but hey! Congratulations! How about dressing up like monkey boy and taking me up on my boy's night out challenge above. I think you'd probably do pretty well.


What makes you think I'd have to be a boy to perform well on a boy's night out?

You sure you want that sort of competition for the girls around here? *G*

Anyway I know you were only kidding. I'm showing off!
Sardonicus Jacobus
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10-23-2007 06:23
so is a woman pretending to be a man a SLemale? :P
Accasbel Barrymore
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10-23-2007 06:24
Perhaps women in general are more selective than men in general?
Going around SL with a floating text reading "I want sex" would not be conducive to selectivity.

PS:
I don't have a strap-on. That's what is is guys!! A strap-on without the straps.
In the interest of scientific research and fun, I did try out a few poseballs in a skybox with a pulchritudinous female.
There I was, naked, no penis, going through a variety of animations.
It was funny, but not as funny as some of the penises I've seen exposed around SL (not while socialising I hasten to add).
SL sex with out a penis is quite interesting.
1) Sex is never as good as when there's some good humour involved
2) It enables a focussing on other aspects of the interaction

Maybe SL males should liberate themselves.
Echo the bra-burning of the past.
Penis-burning!! (But not while wearing them).
Ann Launay
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10-23-2007 06:26
From: Ricardo Harris
Now, before I continue I'll state the same thing I said before, NOT EVERYONE but MANY, SOME, MOST do.



If you'd left this at 'some,' I'd agree with you...the many/most is where it goes off target.

From: someone
I see the reaction I've gotten and it's mainly and most likely by women which is in it self very predictable.


Um, yeah, because you're saying a lot of us are liars...why shouldn't we find that offensive?

From: someone
At least those who tend to date alot know many times they will come across a stiuation like this. Where they'll meet a female who will say somewhere at the start they're not interesed in sex, yet will be and will even initiate it themselves at times. Why is this so difficult to believe?


Maybe she's not interested in cybering with every guy (or girl) who comes along, but will make exceptions if she meets someone she likes...the statement of not wanting sex may be true in the big picture and act as a 'filter' in the smaller view. Like, "OK, he's not just talking to me because he expects to get some action." That doesn't make her a liar, just a little cautious. Hell, if this happens to you a lot, maybe you should be flattered instead of grumpy about it.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Victorria Paine
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10-23-2007 06:26
From: Mortus Allen
How is it merely a game and nothing else? Most games have an objective, some goals to accomplish (Leveling up, defeating enemies, building some mega-city, the perfect hero/villein.), SL has no clear goals, though granted there are no shortage of goals on can pursue, but there also is no need to pursue any goal at all.

To me SL is much a social environment as it is a game, though I agree one should not take it too seriously, some of us choose to be ourselves, others choose to fictional. I can and am any number of fictional people in various other games/mediums. In SL however I choose to be myself, and as much as I try to take what others do with a grain of salt, I am also putting myself forward, not one of my fictional persona's.

So just as those that use it as a social environment should take others actions with a grain of salt, those that use it more as a game should also realize there are real people out there and they could vary well hurt real feelings if they act to callously.


This is my view as well. The "game" vs. "non-game" distinction is a red herring and a distraction, in my view. To me, the real distinction is between "real life" and "virtual life". We all get caught up, personally, to some degree, with what is happening in our virtual lives, but I agree with the above post that due to the nature of the medium, it is best to take what happens in your SL with a grain of salt -- not because it is "just a game", but simply because it is "not real life", and that other people are not acting according to the commonly practiced constraints and pleasantries of RL.
Cherry Czervik
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10-23-2007 06:26
From: Accasbel Barrymore


Maybe SL males should liberate themselves.
Echo the bra-burning of the past.
Penis-burning!! (But not while wearing them).


LOL

I can think of a few I'd not give the last bit of advice to, just for the entertainment value!
Hate Hastings
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10-23-2007 06:38
SL relationships sneak up on one. Even when actively trying to avoid anything too personal, one can find themselves caught up in it all. Unless, I suppose, you just don't socialize.

Just like RL.

SL is a game. Until it isn't.
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Strangel Bade
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10-23-2007 06:45
Coming into this particular party late, but... wanted to say that the majority of the males I've met on SL have been genuinely nice individuals who were helpful, kind, intelligent, funny, and generally preferred conversation to poseball-hopping. Most wouldn't even consider that type of thing without getting to know a girl first, and not just for reasons of gender-verification. ;)

You do get a mix of both kinds, but I've found that to be true regardless of gender (in a couple of cases, the same genders in SL as RL; I've seen RL females introduced to SL make a beeline for the sex rooms, and RL males get into build and design to a degree that would put a dedicated needle-point-stitcher to shame) ...and the only thing I've really learned is that I should leave my stereotypes at the door.

Excepting the nekkid n00bs with the bouncing prim peni's, of course. ^^

But seriously, to the OP... I can say this: 1.) It sometimes takes a long while, much like RL, for people to relax enough around someone to really show themselves (for good or ill) enough for a relationship/friendship to happen. That's not always the case, but... it's what I've seen. 2.) Be yourself. Just hang out and chat, build, dance, get to know people, make yourself knowable (not necessarily in the biblical sense, but follow your own prefs there) and be you.

Also... 3.) Be aware that the right guy will invariably happen along on the one day when your attachments are misbehaving, your shoes are up your butt, your search function is down, and you've just accidentally typed something embarrassing into the general chat window. It's part of Murphy's Law, I think. Fortunately, if it's the right guy... he won't notice any of that. ^^;;
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Cristalle Karami
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10-23-2007 07:01
I will back up Ricardo a little bit - many people know someone who came into the game for reasons other than sex, thought cybersex was stupid, then got into some relationship with someone, and then well, let's just say that the poseballs got used.

It's not everyone, but it's quite a few people. As has been said, relationships sneak up on you and people do what comes naturally, in time.
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-23-2007 07:08
So there you have it:

" What is wrong with this Secondlife world?"

The people. Get rid of all the people.

Can I have their stuff?
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-23-2007 07:15
From: Nika Talaj
See, Trout, it's a great idea but the whole SLaid thing that happens AFTER the successful pickup is a deterrent for many of the women here. Great tho it would be to finally prove, once and for all, that women know how to pick up women better than guys do ;)

Now, maybe we could work this with a new alt account whose login we all know ... named, of course, Cyrano something ... where one of we women does the pickup, and then one of you guys takes over from there. :D

hmmm??? *looks at Trout speculatively and riffles her wad of cash*

p.s. /me throws a chocolate-covered copy of the TOS into a corner to distract Strife from this highly illegal idea

Yes, that got me to. I don't want to "go all the way". Especially not after I saw the prim that came with my avatar. I never want to put another one on again. I had a nightmare about it. It popped off somehow and started singing and dancing. It was horrible. Horrible!

And, as I said at the time, the only other one I've ever seen in SL was Chris's that one night when everyone got naked.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-23-2007 07:20
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Yes, that got me to. I don't want to "go all the way". Especially not after I saw the prim that came with my avatar. I never want to put another one on again. I had a nightmare about it. It popped off somehow and started singing and dancing. It was horrible. Horrible!

And, as I said at the time, the only other one I've ever seen in SL was Chris's that one night when everyone got naked.
My naughty bits are always attached: my typing fingers. The rest is just there as window dressing and has been known to stay in inventory.

Maybe you should take your singing and dancing detachable prim on the road...
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-23-2007 07:26
From: Raymond Figtree
My naughty bits are always attached: my typing fingers. The rest is just there as window dressing and has been known to stay in inventory.

Maybe you should take your singing and dancing detachable prim on the road...
I reread what I wrote, and I see I wasn't clear, sorry :) The prim was singing and dancing in my nightmare, not in SL. :)
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Amaranthim Talon
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10-23-2007 08:00
From: Gummi Richthofen
“Guys playing as guys are TRAINED TO BE NASTY by the absolute barrage of rejection and negativity they encounter; they are left no other role than to be DickMonsters, because that's all that is expected of them the minute they TP in.”


Well, I keep expecting them to be nice and have only been disappointed once that things weren’t as they appeared. I do prefer, upfront openness – one gentleman told me directly he was a Playboy – I appreciated the candor and didn’t need anything more. We spent a nice time and went our separate ways – works just fine for me.

Another “got to me” head-wise and we are friends that happened to have shared a bit more in SL – To me, that connection for friendship is the real important thing – the cybering…well, hell I do like it actually, it just is so much better when the mind is engaged as well.


From: Coyote Momiji
“I've found that there're usually two types in SecondLife - the people who view it as a game, and the people who view it as another form of communication method.


The people who view it as a game are the ones who are more likely to damage someone emotionally, and the ones who view it as a communication method are the ones who are likely to get damaged.”

So true and so sad – veteran. Doesn’t change my attitude though. Still not a game to me, still a game to many – we need a “BS Detector” to add to the HUD.

From: Sling Trebuchet
‘I'm a black Jewish lesbian scientist amputee transsexual in RL. (unattached)

Any takers?

There are?
Oh shit!

I suppose there would be. It's SL after all.
There's probably a store that sells the appropriate avatar.
Wonderful!”


My kind of sick humor 

And this:

From: Sling Trebuchet
“There's loony fringe who can't understand that 'equality' does not mean 'same'.
Men and women are different - Equally entitled to respect, but still very different.
Neither is better than the other.

Any approach to life that does not celebrate the difference is doomed to frustration.”


Speechless – I applaud.

From: Elora Lunasea
“No, Amaranthim, you are not alone. Count me in.
Besides, those guys who say they aren't having sex with their wives are lying.
Take it from me - I know for a fact. But don't make me have to go into specifics...”


I just don’t get the need for the lines… plenty willing without lines – why bother? Be honest, have fun and no one gets hurt…

From: Raymond Figtree
“Anyone in SL who ISN'T ever emotionally upset by something that occurs there is the one who needs the psychotherapist.

The animated pixels are simply the means by which real human beings are communicating with each other. These communications will elicit real feelings.”


Perfect, agree completely and found it very well stated.

From: Cherry Czervik
“I rarely get that level of consideration back but well ... can only hold myself accountable for my actions not anyone else for theirs.”


When one realizes that, it all makes sense – unfortunately, some people need to get there heads bashed in with a 2 x 4 before they can see the light.
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And finally - this is the singularly most entertaining, enlightening and enjoyable thread I have read of late. It has been expanding to read so many views. And that is my most appreciated aspect of SL - all the different interactions and points of view. :)
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Cherry Czervik
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10-23-2007 08:22
From: Cristalle Karami
I will back up Ricardo a little bit - many people know someone who came into the game for reasons other than sex, thought cybersex was stupid, then got into some relationship with someone, and then well, let's just say that the poseballs got used.

It's not everyone, but it's quite a few people. As has been said, relationships sneak up on you and people do what comes naturally, in time.


Amen. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Actually a lot of girls are damned rude to guys for no reason. Rejection - well that all depends how you approach as to whether it's rejection or simply not picking the right person.

However, spoons pointed at me will get threatened with something. I find putting a paddle in my hand deters most - the ones who'd be encouraged by that generally are less rude in the first place. LOL.
Conrad Brezoianu
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10-23-2007 08:45
From: Ava Glasgow
Reading this REALLLLLLLLLY hard...

Nope, still looks like you are saying that most people who say they aren't here for sex are just lying.

Oh look, you even made your statement emphatic by adding "Period." at the end.

Obviously I was hypnotized by your subtle use of hyperbole. :rolleyes:


Funny, you go from stating that, according to Ricardo, SL has NOTHING to offer outside of cybersex (your words), to repeating Ricardo's words, pretending that was your initial argument, by saying "MOST people who say they aren't here for sex are just lying". Notice the words "nothing" and "most". The first implies an absolute, the second doesn't.

Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning is? You're basically invalidate your first argument here while being condescending at the same time.

Bravo.
Raymond Figtree
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10-23-2007 08:49
From: Conrad Brezoianu
Funny, you go from stating that, according to Ricardo, SL has NOTHING to offer outside of cybersex (your words), to repeating Ricardo's words, pretending that was your initial argument, by saying "MOST people who say they aren't here for sex are just lying". Notice the words "nothing" and "most". The first implies an absolute, the second doesn't.

Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning is? You're basically invalidate your first argument here while being condescending at the same time.

Bravo.
Nice to meet you, Ricardo's alt. :)
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Conrad Brezoianu
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10-23-2007 09:01
From: Raymond Figtree
Nice to meet you, Ricardo's alt. :)

Say what??
I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not Ricardo's alt. I just happen to be someone that agrees with him. Oops! Guess I too am in for it now.
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10-23-2007 09:12
From: Lexxi Gynoid

And, as I said at the time, the only other one I've ever seen in SL was Chris's that one night when everyone got naked.



:O
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