So why are kids on Zindra?

That's crazy talk, I tell you. Crazy talk.

It seems like the only thing over there right now is a place called 'Mosh' which is so over-crowded I could barely rez in.

- Gov. Linden property, with the info on the landmark telling me finding info on the place is restricted.

Didn't see anyone nude, or anything sexual. Just a giant dragon, and people chatting about topics that had nothing to do with anything I could make sense of.

You got a new name! Congratulations, even though I had to suffer through this whole thread to date to find out.

well i've been reading the whole thread for a bit now and from what i gather..it's not about what was going on but about what wasn't going on

Let us suppose I wanted to create a very graphic and gory (non-sexual) horror RP area on the mainland. Under the current definitions, if this would have to be on Zindra; however there is no reason why a child avatar couldn't roleplay there (e.g. roleplaying a child vampire).

Child avatars clearly should not be on sexually themed areas in Zindra - but there is no reason why they should not be on non-sexually themed areas in Zindra.

*If* it turns out that every area in Zindra is sexually themed, then de facto, child avatars would not be allowed in any area in Zindra. However, it is by no means certain that this would be the case!

Matthew

In all this debate and discussion. The question NEEDS to be asked. WHY didn't I streak the place? (O.o)

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You and he can continue to derail this thread by claiming it's about something it's not but what purpose does that serve? This thread is not about those who play child toons. This has been stated over and over again. At this point you're both just being purposefully obtuse.

I thought that was the point of Zindra. I was wrong, I guess it's just vanilla Mature in a new locale.

It is certainly about those who play child avatars and what further restrictions you feel should be placed on them. We already have a set of restrictions no one else in SL has, and don't need more. The current restrictions should be enough to cover any community concerns.

It's not over her right to a viewpoint, it is the push for peoples concepts to be banned when there is no need to.



Because they have a right to be there and everywhere, it's not all sex.






This is hostile, it is a direct reference to a very blatant anti child av hate thread recently. There was another before that where bdsmers where attacked and coupled with rapists, both where closed down.



The depiction argument is the argument used in the other vigilante threads and no we are not perverts, slagging us off and insinuating we, the Zindra/mature/adult, people, are going to encourage child sex r/p won't make it so either.

Basically there is more to adult than sex, we all have the ability via our parcel rights and to say no to child avs in some or all modes. There is no problem but for a lack of understanding about how to say no to a child av or anything one finds frightening or offensive.

It's "the rating formerly known as mature".

As I said at the beginning of the thread

a) the definition of Adult covers more than just sexual activity. It also covers graphic violent activities. Now it may turn out that all violence themed areas are also sexually themed, but as it someone did create a violent but non-sexual area, that is an area where child avatars (under current SL rules) would be allowed to be - and there is no legal pressure on LL to outlaw child avatars in violent areas (think about all the mainstream films which have fictional depiction of children and violence).

b) once LL open the auctions, there is nothing to stop someone buying a whole sim in Zindra and building a completely PG region. Whether that will or won't happen remains to be seen. However, someone might do this simply because they want to be on a mainland where non-verified accounts can't reach them (most bots are unverified, so there may be fewer bots on Zindra for instance!)

I don't know what Zindra will look like in 6 months time - it may be wall to wall sex; it may be just like the existing mature mainland. We can all make reasoned predictions, but they are just that predictions which may not come true.

Matthew

It can be anything that the land owner determines it to be. If the owner wants to maintain (PG) parcel rules, they can. It doesn't matter. It's their land. In fact, I suspect there will be a few Zindra land owners who will buy there simply because it will be more difficult for disposable alts to show up and grief the place. And, in the end, if they maintain their parcel rules as (PG), they have full rights to enforce it as such. Even if it's on (Mature) or (Adult) land. (^_^)

So... Who knows? Zindra may become a huge (PG) kids theme park simply for the sake of being relatively griefer free. It's not impossible. (^_^)y

What a positive view. It won't work out that way but it's a nice thought.

(At the risk of our quality forums not working long enough for me to get through the thread) Then it should be up to the individual parcel owners to decide whether kid avies are allowed or not. Likewise, it would also then be up to LL as the estate owners to decide any restrictions. Given that this is a worldwide audience, "after hours" SLT might be 8 a.m. somewhere else, so it would need to be fair.

No. It's an example taken to the extreme. What it does do is go to show that the argument against the presence of kid AVs in Zindra is weak when weighed against current LL policy. (^_^)y

Why would a child avatars KNOWINGLY go into a store that was just selling sex beds?

Linden Lab will have to solve this one for us - and hopefully throw some light on this grey area they have created. We can only hope that the new adult TOS will end this debate before the end of the year.

I believe the child avatar wearing residents are running out of excuses for entering Adult parcels. And this is a good thing.

I heard of a petition going around in Zindra to ban child avatars from the Continent. When I find it I will sign it. I believe a jira is being penned right now also.

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Only if every business dealing in Mature and Adult decides to pack it in rather than move.

Mature is the new PG.

For the articles.

They wouldn't, and if you read my post, you will see that I never said they would.

What I said was that

a) the definition of Adult covers more than just sexual activities, and also covers non-sexual activities which it is perfectly valid for child avatars to engage in

b) the owner of land in Zindra is not obligued to theme their area as adult. Someone could buy an entire sim in Zindra at Auction and set it up as a PG region where child avatars would be welcome and would not encounter any adult content whatsoever (provided that they did not leave that sim).

Matthew

PG is still PG. (^_^)

Much ado about nothing. (^_^)y

Because there is nothing wrong with a person in thier child av BUYING a sex bed. It's USING the sex animations inside the bed while STILL a child av that is not allowed. You still do not get that many of us have a whole range of avs that we don on a whim. I am, depending on the mood a: fairy, child, teen, adult, cyborg, fox and several different tinies.

As if that would have a snowball's chance in hell of doing any good. Do you really think that LL is actually going to start listening for a change? Remember that we have reached the Zindra stage even though there has been overwhelming opposition from the user base.

Agreed. I almost never see child avatars in inappropriate locations now, I'm not sure why moving those businesses to Zatanna would make a difference.

"Ooh! let's all go to Stepford!"

A land owner on Zindra would have the choice what type of content they would permit on their land - they could chose to allow sexual adult content, non-sexual adult content, mature content and/or pg content.

If they permitted sexual adult content on their land, clearly child avatars should not be allowed.

However, if they restricted their land to non-sexual adult content, on what basis should child avatars not be allowed?

If they chose to restrict their Zindra plot to mature content (not allowing any adult content), on what basis should child avatars not be allowed

If they chose to restrict their Zindra plot to PG only content, on what basis should child avatars not be allowed?

Until you can give a basis for all those scenarios which a Zindra landowner can chose, you do not have a sound basis for banning child avatars from all of Zindra.

Matthew