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So why are kids on Zindra?

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06-16-2009 11:01
From: Seven Okelli
this thread is not about what it pretends to be about.

surely not. but with enough derailing, it can be what WE want. :cool:

also ibtl
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06-16-2009 11:02
From: Seven Okelli
I'm going to put out a tentative

IBTL

because I think this thread is not about what it pretends to be about.

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um what do you think it's about?
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06-16-2009 11:04
From: Angel Leviathan
um what do you think it's about?


I think you're taking a crack at people who play with child avatars.

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06-16-2009 11:04
From: Angel Leviathan
um what do you think it's about?


Carrying water for Prok?
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06-16-2009 11:07
From: Angel Leviathan
LL is gathering all the porn, prostitution, strippers, etc to Zindra and excluding that content from the rest of the grid. I would say that makes it the defacto region for adult activities..


Angel you are the porn queen of SL.

It is hypocritical of you to even complain of such a thing when you and your at the time partner Briana Dawson brought the first porno video clips for mass sale distribution into Second Life with your porno stores all over the grid back then.
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06-16-2009 11:07
From: Seven Okelli
I think you're taking a crack at people who play with child avatars.


Wrong. I have no problem with child toons in most cases.

From: Chris Norse
Carrying water for Prok?


Wrong. Learn your history.

This thread is about the region named Zindra that was created by LL to be home to SL's Adult activities like prostitution, strippers, pornography, etc and Zindra's acceptance of child avatars that can and I believe will lead to improper depictions of children in sexual situations.
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06-16-2009 11:07
From: Seven Okelli
I think you're taking a crack at people who play with child avatars.


Aside from that, you're asking for the appearance of propriety out of a place that was created without that in mind.

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06-16-2009 11:08
err double post somehow
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06-16-2009 11:09
From: Angel Leviathan
This thread is about the region named Zindra that was created by LL to be home to SL's Adult activities like prostitution, strippers, pornography, etc and Zindra's acceptance of child avatars that can and I believe will lead to improper depictions of children in sexual situations.

just so long as YOU are not one of the people abusing this potential, it's not really your concern.

last night the Lindens said child avatars are welcome on Zindra. take it up with them.
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06-16-2009 11:10
From: 3Ring Binder
just so long as YOU are not one of the people abusing this potential, it's not really your concern.

last night the Lindens said child avatars are welcome on Zindra. take it up with them.


I think I'm comfortable discussing this here, thanks.
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06-16-2009 11:12
If ya see a child av in Zindra take off your clothes, stand next to them, take a pic and AR them.
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06-16-2009 11:13
From: Angel Leviathan



Wrong. Learn your history.


I went back in history to this morning's post on her blog. Seems to fit for me.
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06-16-2009 11:13
From: Angel Leviathan

This thread is about the region named Zindra that was created by LL to be home to SL's Adult activities like prostitution, strippers, pornography, etc and Zindra's acceptance of child avatars that can and I believe will lead to improper depictions of children in sexual situations.
Since mature regions were originally created to be home to SL's adult activities like prostitution, strippers, pornography, etc...

Why aren't you up in arms against child avatars in mature regions RIGHT NOW?
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Lindal Kidd
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06-16-2009 11:22
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To me a child avi entering a 'sexual situation' is a child avi heading to land labelled ADULT. You'd expect to see nudity, you'd expect to see sex, expect to hear sex, expect to read sexual content.

On my first visit there I was propositioned, now I'm sure I'm not the only one who's visited and been that lucky, any avatar could have been...Kiddy or not but I'd expect that kind of behaviour on the land the lindens have designated to be the 'adult continent'.

If the Lindens are ok with child roleplayers viewing and engaging this content I hope they're ok with the police reports that follow....

I know for sure I won't go back there until child roleplay is banned from areas marked adult. If it's not sorted within the week I'd have no qualms about discussing this 'roleplay' with the likes of CEOP uk. Simulated/imaginary or not this is WRONG. It certainly falls under the obcenities act in my country.

I've nothing against people who want to roleplay as kids but not in areas designated for sex, violence, drugs and booze.


You misunderstand the situation. It is not permissible for child avatars to *engage in sexual ageplay*, anywhere on the grid. However, child avatars are allowed to *view* sexual and violent situations. We are not trying to protect innocent young eyes and minds here...all the kiddie avs are actually over the age of consent. The prohibition against sexual ageplay is intended to deny pedophiles an outlet (and a possible aggravation for) their perversion.
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06-16-2009 11:23
I think we need to get a posse of about 30 child av's going around that area, shaking their fingers at people and calling them boogerheads. That would fit properly in to the environment.. :)
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06-16-2009 11:24
From: Argent Stonecutter
Since mature regions were originally created to be home to SL's adult activities like prostitution, strippers, pornography, etc...

Why aren't you up in arms against child avatars in mature regions RIGHT NOW?


Because Argent I was under the impression that Zindra was designed to finally provide the few needed barriers to keep Adult and non-adult living harmoniously. I'm "up in arms" because it seems that LL has learned nothing from their mistakes. All this trouble they have put people through to create Zindra and to move established business for what? The exact same standards that didn't work before?
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06-16-2009 11:26
From: Angel Leviathan
Because Argent I was under the impression that Zindra was designed to finally provide the few needed barriers to keep Adult and non-adult living harmoniously.
Where do you get a crazy idea like that?
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06-16-2009 11:30
From: Argent Stonecutter
Where do you get a crazy idea like that?


Then what the hell is the point of Zindra?
Abigail Merlin
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06-16-2009 11:31
I just came from bronlen, there is a nice soccer field with ball rezzer there, sure had a blast and broke no rule, no single sexual activety in sight.
Even if someone did as sugested by one poster and took off their clothes to AR then it would their ass that is on the line, afterall they are naked, not the child av.
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06-16-2009 11:32
From: Angel Leviathan
Because Argent I was under the impression that Zindra was designed to finally provide the few needed barriers to keep Adult and non-adult living harmoniously. I'm "up in arms" because it seems that LL has learned nothing from their mistakes. All this trouble they have put people through to create Zindra and to move established business for what? The exact same standards that didn't work before?


Just don't have them on your parcel. That's your right. As an adult player I personally won't engage with them, as is my right.

But they are too are adults and they are allowed on SL, what ever YOU feel about their SL choice is not their problem and to make it so is intrusive not really any of your business, oh of course unless you are a vigilante.

I hope they close this string, if it is going to degenerate into fight about why some people should have less rights than others... again.
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06-16-2009 11:34
From: Angel Leviathan
Then what the hell is the point of Zindra?
Ah, now we're getting to the interesting questions!
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06-16-2009 11:35
From: Angel Leviathan
Then what the hell is the point of Zindra?

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06-16-2009 11:35
From: Ian Nider
Just don't have them on your parcel. That's your right. As an adult player I personally won't engage with them, as is my right.

But they are to are adults and they are allowed on SL, what ever YOU feel about their SL choice is not their problem and to make it so is intrusive not really any of your business, oh of course unless you are a vigilante.

I hope they close this string, if it is going to degenerate into fight about why some people should have less rights than others... again.


Consider reading the thread before you post. This is not about the player behind the toon, my land, or anything else your cursory examination of the front page told you. This is about the depiction of children in sexual situations and it's great potential in a place like Zindra where LL has sent all our worlds greatest perverts to play.
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06-16-2009 11:36
As far as I know, no land has been bought and traded at this time. Those who were there yesterday were allowed to get an idea of what's coming. I don't see the harm in having children allowed to see roads, railroad tracks and buildings. To me, nothing implied what the final decision will be.

Until LL figures out enough to tell the rest of us what will and will not be allowed, That's when the real sparks will fly most likely.
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06-16-2009 11:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
Ah, now we're getting to the interesting questions!


Ah good I asked an interesting question. Now you answer it ok?
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