So why are kids on Zindra?

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No actual honest kids are involved without facing a banning based on the fact that SL main grid is an 18 and over serivce. (^_^)

Not all parcels on Zindra will be sexualised; any more so than all parcels on Mature-rated land in Second Life are sexualised.

It's simply what is possible as far as the TOS, there.

So barring the avs from Zindra would be akin to barring the avs from all Mature sims. What LL seem to be saying is, it depends upon the content of the individual parcel whether the mere presence of a child av is TOS-able.

Now there's an interesting point.

LL must consider some depictions of avatars realistic, since photorealistic 'skins' (in plain view) are not permitted on mature land any more.

Just playing devil's...av, there.

1. That's irrelevant, Zindra is not a sexualized environment.
2. That's irrelevant, because the PROTECT act only covers CGI that's virtually indistinguishable from a real person engaged in a sexual act.
3. Even if relevant, it's false, because the Miller test requires "the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions". A stage set doesn't count.

Playing devil's av on both sides - that is actually true (at least currently). A PROTECT higher-up told me so, themselves. (It surprised me.)

Could be? It was in January. (o.o)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/158131/copa_childporn_law_killed.html

Anyway... A quick uncensored Google image search for "lolicon" would show sites like gelbooru and many *chan board /l/ pages doing just fine presenting erotic drawings in the U.S. (^_^)

The Children's Online Protection Act of 1998 isn't the same as the PROTECT act of 2003.

You also need to go in under Edit >Preferences>General and select the rating you want for your viewer. There is a 3 choice drop down menu.

The bar set by the TOS is far lower than those. If anything even comes close to violating them, they've gone way over the line set by the TOS.

That wasn't the PROTECT act. Anyone who wants to read about current child protection laws and upcoming ones can go to protect.org website.

I'll be setting up a shop in Zindra first chance I get ( it'll probably be awhile while LL sorts their mess out).

I don't sell sexual things, nor do I engage in such activities. Contrary to some people's strange beliefs, no where did LL say Zindra was set up so we could all have sex together.


Although, I think I did read something about it being set up for regular decapitations. (kidding)




'Adult' is what 'Mature' was supposed to be. What LL is effectively doing, is rounding up all 'adult' oriented content providers so they can charge them extra fees for the higher costs of supporting such content. Just wait.


and no, this has nothing to do with child AVs. I couldn't care less about what some person in a virtual avatar sees on Zindra, since they're age verified to get there. Whether the person at the computer is age verified is a whole 'nother can of worms. ^^

In Dec 08, drawings were held to violate the law. But it hasn't gone to the Supreme Court yet.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28319199/

http://comipress.com/special/miscellaneous/down-the-slippery-slope-the-crime-of-viewing-manga

If this fiasco of the 'Adult' continent has clarified anything for me it is that meaning within SL is a highly mutable commodity.

For one thing, I prefer to use the term 'ageplayers' in keeping with the accepted RL meaning. Given that SL is subject to RL jurisdiction, I see no point in making a distinction for ageplay of any description in-world because there will always be potential for very real trouble outside of SL when ageplaying avatars come anywhere close to 'Adult' content and that is regardless if they are not actually involved in sexual ageplay.

For another, I prefer to reserve the term 'child avatar' for RL children in preparation for the inevitable merger with the Teen Grid. Whether their avatars in actual fact resemble adults, children or rabbits, there will be considerably less grounds for confusion with adults playing children if we are clear about our meaning.

I will stick to these clear definitions from here on.

The land itself, at this point, is not "sexualized." Maybe it is for people who have always dreamed of "getting it on" in a monorail station, but there is nothing on the lands of Zindra at this time (that is, physically built into the infrastructure) that facilitates sexual activity.

Now then...

If someone at this time decides to make their attachments talk to another person's attachments there? That's their thing. Of course, as none of them own the land, anyone can walk up to them. That includes a child avatar. A mood killer, you bet, but still possible to happen. Would this scenario likely result in the account suspension of *any* involved? Not likely.

If a child avatar happened to skip down the plastic streets of Zindra, checking out the new land like any other avatar, they're not in violation of any rules. If, however, that same avatar was soliciting for sexual activity or participating in sexual activity (Note that in the above example, said avatar was not participating, only happened upon others doing such), they would be risking their Second Life account.

In the future, of course, this changes somewhat. Said child avatar, is he or she happened upon a couple using their attached bits *on their land,* they are subject to the rules of that landowner and are subject to being ejected and banned form that parcel. They also risk being ARed under existing ageplay rules *regardless of what they did or did not do* due to their proximity to sexualized content.

Likewise, said avatar also can still skip down the streets at that time, unwise a idea that would be. They might again risk their account under the proximity clause. If they go to one of the privately owned businesses in Zindra that happens to cater to sexual content (let's say, "Bob's Discount Sex-o-Teria and Backroom Alley Bordello", they are indeed risking being ejected, banned, and abuse reported for proximity to sexual content.

If "Bob's Discount Sex-o-Teria and Backroom Alley Bordello" makes a "Play Room" decorated in pastels, with a big MLP "sex crib" (one shudders at the thought) a swingset, etc., then "Bob's Discount Sex-o-Teria and Backroom Alley Bordello" will not last on the grid for very long (nor might Bob) -- even on Zindra. Likewise, any child avatar who uses that property would very much risk their account being actioned.

(See? Zindra is not "anything goes" - it is more of a "most anything goes, within the established rules."



And if they are on Zindra (or anywhere else in Second Life, for that matter) looking for sexual ageplay, they can and likely will get their account closed.

Oh yes, and also that quote in my sig from Lewis PR applies here, too.

Whoa! Sorry, clarification required here about the event that sponsored this whole thread. Maybe I missed something early on, but . . .

Prok is reporting that there were "giant prim penises in the welcome area" at this event? And that Blondin was wearing one? When Marianne was there, dancing?

This seems almost an aside at this point in the thread, but (IF this is true), I'd say in response to those who argued that Zindra doesn't have any adult content yet, that it surely did then.

Please tell me that Prok is making this up, and that there aren't (as the post claims) witnesses who can confirm this?

Yep that is what I have been saying.

And your SL approach is a perfect example that most child avatars in Second Life are NOT about sexualised roleplay but about roleplaying actual kids. (Just as some people have avs that appear to be eighty - they simply wish to portray that time in life for totally innocent reasons.) And that's coming from a card carrying member of PROTECT, as I said.

There is, and will be, all types of houses and buildings on Zindra.

In the absence of snapshots ANYWHERE depicting the scene that was described ....

What do YOU think?

For what it's worth -- and with some bias, of course -- I view this issue as being this week's "Baronial Castle has a dungeon" issue. It's the thing being latched on to as a means to give LL a black eye over people being forced to move to Zindra.



I agree with you, and I have tried to make this point before with LL many times over the last, oh, two and a half years. they prefer to use the term to describe *specifically* sexual activity that involves one or more child avatars. This causes no end of laughs when someone who had done non-sexual ageplay stuff in their First Life comes into SL and calls themselves an "ageplayer."



Best of luck with that, of course. Bear in mind though that in that case you are referring to child or teen Residents. The avatar is the representation in world, not the person behind the avatar.

(My, I always think the terms is too close to "child agent," which has its own meaning in SL!)

I have seen snapshots. Blondin was dancing next to an AV dressed as a giant penis. I have seen more realistic peni drawn on bathroom walls.

In that case the same could have happened in a PG sandbox. Who hasn't seen that floppy attachment for instance, all over the (mainland) grid?

Marianne's point about someone suddenly rezzing something in the proximity of a child av, not being the child av's fault, seems to apply there.

There was, in attendance

1. An avatar who word a giant penis *avatar* for roughly four minutes or so. Not like a penis attachment. A Comical, full-body avatar. Said avatar was standing, not dancing, and was at that time part of some other avatars that were also playing with various avatars in their inventory (a large dragon, some indian-ish golem thing, a elephant thing, a giant bear, etc.(

2. Blondin Linden, Dancing. Not with the avatar in the penis avatar, but with a number of other residents who happened to be dancing. Blondin was in his usual avatar, without any attachments (well, visible ones: there was no way I was going to "show transparent" in that crowd, but I am assuming no sexual attachments)

3. Me, also dancing with this crowd, across the room from the penis avatar.

4, Lots of other people dancing, standing around, or playing with (as in changing) avatars.

This photos, albeit not showing me (I would be out of frame, to the right), gives an idea of the scene at the time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37228082@N05/3632640185/ (Possibly NSFW)

There are others out there, including some much clearer angles. This, however, is what I happen to have handy. One of the ones I have inworld was shot at a good angle and puts me visually about 5m from the penis in question, but still on the other side of Blondin. It also gives a good view of the comical "face" of the avatar in question, making it clear that it is an avatar meant for humor, not, um, usage.

I was there when it happened. There was a huge gathering in the Mosh info hub thing when Zindra opened. After quite some time (more than an hour I would say) the several Lindens who had gathered there talking to residents logged out. Blondin stayed and asked for a stream to put in the parcel media tab so we could turn it into a party. Mari supplied a stream a several of us begin dancing. After awhile people started putting on giant avatars, sort of a Godzilla fight on the dance floor. In all the chaos one person put on a giant, cartoonish penis avatar. It has a smiley face on the front of it. There was no sex talk, but people kept dancing, avatars being changed, laughing and silliness.

Here are a couple of pics I took jsut before someone donned the smiley penis. Hardly an orgy.





(edit for those who can;t see links in image tags:

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?ID=378834

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?ID=378836

I wasn't there, and I haven't seen snapshots. I'm also not a fan of Prok so, yes, I do take this with a grain of salt. So, please understand that what I say is heavily qualified by an enormous unspoken "IF" . . .

Firstly, this wasn't a sandbox. It was a well-publicized official LL event, with Lindens actually in attendance. Secondly, Prok is suggesting that Blondin himself was wearing a prim penis. Even if he wasn't this is clearly NOT the same thing as suddenly and accidentally being confronted by the standard moron who thinks that a floppy dick is the ultimate in hilarity. Thirdly, I see no reference to the suggestion that any action was taken to rectify what is, at the LEAST, a huge PR embarrassment for LL.

IF any of this is true, it is NOT an auspicious beginning for Zindra.

Scylla: I disagree it's a PR debacle. (More a visual equivalent of someone pulling 'donkey ears' behind a Linden av. The only solution to someone being able to rez something like this next to a Linden, or a child av, would be for both groups never to appear in world.)

And again it COULD happen anywhere in SL.

Anyway, Marianne's post, which was probably being sent while you typed your most recent post, seems to answer many of your questions.