So why are kids on Zindra?

But... but... what about those millions of new customers Meta Linden told us were waiting for this to sign up?

Why, LL should remove it's offices from the UK.

You have inside info on this? Or are you just wishing?

In your OP you spoke of children avatars of just visiting the place...Now suddenly they are having public beach orgies?

I think it will be the home for ANYTHING the mainstream whitebread corporate consumer finds objectionable. Sex is easy to target, but violence as well, but it will widen. Anything edgy or fringe will wind up there eventually. Anything that isn't fit for the AOL 3D crowd LL is courting will be sent to Zindra. I think Solar's Family RPer analogy is pretty good. The parents may be partaking in sex businesses, but the kids will find non sexual areas of Zindra catering to their interests as well, perhaps a GTA like gaming sim,or vamp or sci fi areas. because it won't be allowed on the sanitized old mainland.

Kid av's in sexual situations are already forbidden. If you see it, AR it. LL has to step up and enforce their guidelines. If "passive" adult businesses wish to have an adult av only policy, I think that's fine too. MOST people will be responsible, those that aren't should suffer the consequences of their actions.

In Zindra anything goes. Kid toons, public beach orgies, capes.. What's your interest?

I can imagine the line between fantasy and reality is very blurry to quite a few people. Even in a world where people can fly unassisted. (^_^)y

None of the above. I prefer shopping for boots myself.

No. We. Don't.

An adult sim may not have anything beyond "G" on it. An adult sim with nothing but "G" on it is just as acceptable a place for toon kids by any standard. There is no reason not to allow toon kids on a sim like that.

That's got nothing to do with whether it's appropriate for toon kids to be on a sim rated "A".

Naturist resorts. =^-^=

Not being the public conscience of SL residents.

Capes???

You're contradicting yourself. LL is currently selling it to play home for the adult sex industry. That is their intent. The thing is... their intent doesn't matter. How it is actually used is the only thing that matters. If every parcel on Zindra is wall to wall floppy dongs, for example, then toon kids aren't going to be allowed there... not because the sims are rated A, but because the content is rated A. On the other hand, if you have a parcel containing wall-to-wall floppy dongs at ground level and a fisher-price skybox, toon kids will be allowed in the skybox so long as they don't fall off... or at least teleport home before they hit the ground.

"Being in a sim rated "A"" is not "being in a sexual situation".

Sadly, I speak from experience ....

I am a former AOL chat RPer Brenda and have seen the way people over react to even the hint of someone who is under 18 while in character .... let alone under 13! I used to run a few places where everyone was allowed, even kids (an Inn in a future setting is certainly a place where you'd find kids) and I STILL had people complaining ....

It got to the point where I had to monitor everything in the chat whenever it was open and remind people to take any explicit RP to IMs or a private room (when IC OR OOC minors were present) and that I would not tolerate sexual kiddie play.

A most notable complaint came when someone came in, in the middle of a bar fight (the Inn had a full bar) and saw it to the gruesome end ... the loser had his brains splattered across a back wall, taking a shotgun blast to the head does that. Then this RPer found out in the next few posts that someone in there was playing a child ....

The child? The one that just blew the brains out of the drunkard's skull.

Oh the complaints THAT little scene caused ....

Notable, too, for being completely within the rules. Child avatars are forbidden from sexual situations, emphatically *not* from the most gruesome violence. I'm no great fan of virtual violence myself, but if some huge chunk of Zindra ends up being for some graphic violent roleplay, and if the owner(s) of that area are fine with tots getting chopped up and the pieces ground to a crimson slurry, it's nobody's damned business. The "Think of the Childrenz Crusade" can AR till the cows come home but nothing will happen.

Yes. We. Do.

Basically ageplayers can go wherever they please and sexplayers better watch their step.


I don't understand this. What's 'G' for?

Indeed.

We did get a laugh out of the one complaining that a twelve year old boy had just blown someone's brains out as well.

Just as in RL some people seem can only make sweeping generalizations, be they about kid av's, furries,Goreans, BDSMers,.

Some think Zindra will be a bacchanal like orgy every where you look, but that is unlikely. Making accessable to only verified accounts will do some to control that. Most people, even those who partake in SL sexplay, aren't doing it as their exclusive activity, and do it proper settings. An average SL couple will move there just so they can be allowed to do it without worry of offending someone, especially if heir tastes are a bit kinky.

The one complaining was probably 14 and didn't like being shown up by a younger kid.

No clue on that one .... he never gave his OOC age .... if the person was male for that matter.

If that WAS the case though, then the amusing argument that ensued is now nothing short of disturbing ... A Role Player should be able to tell what is fantasy and what is not.

Even a non RPer should

On a side note, rp sims with violence are being made to move Adult if I recall right.

This included Legacies (dark rp, this one I understand fully and it already bans any child av use), Ayin (yes, this one too), and most likely Star Wars sims.

It's due to violence in star wars, like the other rp sims, if it happens.

Now lets look at this, angel and anyone against kid avs on Zindra.

Star Wars = PG-13 on purpose.

Star Wars = made so kids can watch.

Star Wars = no nudity in the films (Chewbacca, Hutts, and droids excluded).

Star Wars = children as characters (Anakin anyone? Snips? Jedi potentials?).

I think we can all agree to the above comments about Star Wars.

Yet Star Wars = Adult. Adult areas are clearly for many things, and children avs shouldn't be pushed from the continent entirely. They already can't be near sexual scenes, but the adult continent is not all about sex 100% of the time, and at least half of it is going to be nonsexual, adult to get away from {p}rudes and because of violence or thematic situations.

As far as thematic elements - Little Orphan Annie, Oliver Twist, A Christmas Carol, V.C. Andrews books, Darth Maul in comics, X-Men comics (the students), even Harry Potter..the list goes on. Children in tough situations, with violence around them or not, is a common archetype of literary works and films. People who don't understand this are the ones who try to ban Oliver twist from public librarys, or burn Harry Potter books saying it promotes witchcraft.

Did this change? I could have sworn one of the Lindens posted that SW was not adult.

I can't parse this.

G means "something even more wholesome than "PG"".

Yerp ...

Though I have noticed this facet in most to be lacking.

you're wrong about star wars, despite the rp inworld being full of sex and violence it seems that LL are fine with it staying pg.

I think it was Blondin that said that and it was at an office hour around a month or so ago. At that stage iir Blondin also said that most violent sims would stay mature. There are very few (if any) violent words on the filter list, despite me providing Blondin with a list at his request.

I assume from this lack of incorporation of any of the violent words on the list that LL are using to asses whether someone is adult or not that pretty well all the violent rp sims will be fine - unless they advertise sexually themed activities, goods or services.