So why are kids on Zindra?

It is the child toons fault for being there in the first place.

Why do the child toons want to be in the mature sims anyway? Are they against the creation of an adult toon only playland where people can frolic without worries of being wrapped up in some role players potentially dangerous game? What is the agenda here in SL among the child avatars? That there will be no place that your role play is not welcome?

The vast majority of people in the world find the idea of children depicted in sexualized environments to be completely offensive. Many people just plain find adults pretending to be children as odd. As long as you continue to force this form of role play down the throats of every single second life resident, then you will find opposition. Be kids, have fun, but don't press your agenda into every facet of my Second Life.

Is this the same women's group that was protesting in two threads a while back?



Because this is the same tactic of replying as if someone said something they did not say.

Who here has championed "children in sexualised environments"? As for what you find odd, well, it's Linden Labs rules we must go by, not your own.

Tokyopop would go out of business if any of that crud flies. (=_=)

Negima?

Chobits?

Or Viz with Saikano?

Much ado about nothing. (=_=)

Thank you Marianne. Great work on your posting. Since we are all adults on the main grid, why do we need babysitting and sent to the corner for behaving in an adult manner? I understand that perhaps the teen grid will merge with the adult grid. Is Linden Labs going to move all of the mature sims to another continent leaving the pg sims to be yet another continent? What more is planned that we aren't seeing?

Angel, why do you automatically associate a child avatar with 'sex roleplay'? It simply is not true. Straw man argument.

(I do not think a child avatar is any more roleplay by sheer virtue of the avatar, than any other avatar in SL, either, therefore no automatic 'agenda'.)

I do think that turning up at Zindra in a child av shows insensitivity towards the people who are being moved against their will. It seems to me that 100% of the world's strife could be mitigated if all respected each other.

For me there's only one important factor and that's that the effect of real life social taboos protecting children should not be allowed to be blunted by digital depictions.

As well as describing the entire continent of Zindra as "sexualized". It is no more than the entire pre Zindra Mature mainland was.

I totally agree, re: virtual ageplay. I just do not agree with the implication some are making that the mere existence of a child avatar is equivalent to it.

I don't care for Asian art of any type, so you would probably know better than I would. I do follow free speech issues which is how this appeared on my radar.

I haven’t even begun to talk about ~my~ agenda. And, I won’t either. It’s an opinion that’s highly unpopular with the commonplace crowd of the forums. There are many things that are much more productive to do. (^_^)

International campaign against masturbation, anyone? (^_^)y

I just get my terms, acts, and bills mixed up.... There's so bloody many of them. (T_T)

The Morality Squad is unscrupulous in finding ways to stifle what goes on in our imaginations. (>_<

Good evening, Ladies and Gentlemen,

Allow me to introduce myself: I'm Ephraim's Great Great Great Great Great Great Uncle Ethen. The darling boy had to take to his bed, I'm afraid: Forum business has been far too stressful for him today so the young fellow has taken to his bed with a slice of cucumber on each eye and something gentle on the stereophonic hi-fidelity system to sooth his sensitive disposition.

As a matter of fact he appears to have difficulty posting of a sudden. So he left this little note for me to publish.

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Ephraim Kappler roars laughing: afraid I can't help you there.

We'll just have to leave it be, hornytoads and all.


Somebody's having a laugh for sure.


The trouble is that public opinion, if not a court of law, would likely take a very dim view of a screenshot of that and it won't matter one whit who was actually at fault.

/me nods in agreement.

The majority of child avatars in Second Life are into role playing kids. This does not include sexual content. We don't *do* sexual activities. Closest we might get is a kiss.

(For those playing along at home, no, my avatar has never been kissed.)

There have been those out there who *have* done more than that. For one, there was the place that was featured a couple times on Sky News. They left the grid for OpenGrid some time ago, and that grid has since shut down. No idea where they are now. Others have faced their own account actions. Few last long, particularly if they try to "mix" with the majority of kid avvies.

There are also a minority of griefers who will take on a kid shape, using just this sort of controversy to attempt to stir up trouble. I actually expect to see more of this. This is obviously not about roleplaying kids.

On a personal note, thanks for supporting PROTECT, too.

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pish tosh. That is what PR agents are for.

Yes, Marianne's post does indeed seem to answer my questions. And I am entirely happy to take her word over Prok's for what actually went down.

That said, I am going to respectfully disagree: I think this a very black eye for LL and Zindra. As proof, I will merely note that I don't habitually read Prok's blog (I think she's an AWFUL writer . . .), but new of its contents reached me from two other sources; clearly, her account is being spread quickly.

I accept entirely that this was no "orgy," and that nothing "sexual" was happening. I also should say that I, personally, see this actual incident as a tempest in a teapot, except insofar as it IS going to create perception problems, and MAY suggest some rather disquieting backsliding on the part of LL.

Goofy and comic or not, the Penis Avi should have been cautioned, and, failing that, banned. Marianne, I don't know you at all, and I am SURE you are entirely straight and honourable in the way in which you play your child avi. But you should have left, and quickly. It's not about what was actually happening: it's about how it is READ. And how it WILL be read. The incident is already being cited as proof that Zindra will be "soft" on sexualized age play . . . the danger is, that it will be taken (incorrectly, I hope) as confirmation of this both by those who opposed to that, AND by those who might wish to indulge in it.

/me nods and smiles.

Scylla: Perhaps, but with all the blogs out there, some will blog in a way to stir up any teapot they can grab hold of. Most will be forgotten a short time afterward.

Ethen Drechsler chuckles grimly: get your PR people to fax my PR people, Dear.

They can make a picnic of it in court.

I agree. Indeed, I would be part of that "vast majority."

If this one photo (in which nothing sexual happens) makes it to court, I'll make the sandwiches for you.

I did leave shortly after, though the penis avatar also came off right around the same time: I do not recall which went first. Had their been actual sexual activity, I would have left sooner.

I see that, for some, Logic has departed to the Realm of the Unwanted to join the Seeker and Ahamo .....

Where is D.G. when you need her?

The community itself has done a great job in putting a hamper on sexual age play..
Most places take the TOS and CS as their minimum then add a little cushion to make sure they do not lose their businesses or break the rules..

How many people that ever go to any mature mall which may have a sex place or club or anything with sexual conduct has not gotten flooded with note cards and seen this in the rules?
No Age play allowed
or No child avatars allowed including prim babies..

All that is going on here is someone pulling the torches out of the shed to get ready for the witch hunt.
Part of the reason there is a zindra.

Breaking news!!Child avies seen on zindra !! Someone told me!! Sounds like a job for JUST IN CASE!! I mean JUSTICE..Anyone have the LM i've never been there before..
For the good of everyone i must stand up and stop this sick sexual activity even though it's never happened and there are rules in place against it anyways..

The second they get to Zindra something will click in them all and they will all turn into the horny people and explosions of child sex will be everywhere so thick we can cut it with a knife..Because the rules have only stopped the activity on mature and pg so far..lol

When is the last time someone heard of a case with child avatars engaged in sexual ageplay in sl? Just curious...

If you ask me the ones with the dirty minds are the ones that cannot see past the adult tag and see that mature has been around this whole time with the same risks as zindra will have..actually less since it is age verified

PR black eye? Over a guy is a crappy giant penis costume?

Get a life.

That's just pathetic.

The PR business is pathetic but the point was not to take that incident literally as a case to answer. No great leap of imagination is required to see how something harmful could be made of a perfectly innocent ageplayer in the wrong place at the wrong frame.