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So why are kids on Zindra?

Marianne McCann
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06-17-2009 11:10
From: Ceka Cianci
When is the last time someone heard of a case with child avatars engaged in sexual ageplay in sl? Just curious...


Last time I heard of anyone legitimately actioned over such was a couple months ago, under the proximity clause (in this case, a location with some very inappropriate content including photorealistic imagery). There have been some other instances, akin to another SL Forum's account actioning that would appear to have been in error or an example of very poor judgement. I'm *sure* there are instances I do not know of, and do not really want to know of.

That said, it would appear that *actual* sexual ageplay on SL is a rarity, and likely rarer than it is elsewhere on the 'net.
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06-17-2009 11:11
From: Milla Janick
PR black eye? Over a guy is a crappy giant penis costume?

Get a life.

That's just pathetic.

hahahah thats more like a party gag and someones bachelor party..
they will have to do better than that i agree lol
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-17-2009 11:13
From: Ethen Drechsler
The PR business is pathetic but the point was not to take that incident literally as a case to answer. No great leap of imagination is required to see how something harmful could be made of a perfectly innocent ageplayer in the wrong place at the wrong frame.


It already can. What's new about it being Zindra?

(BTW I assume you mean 'ageplayer' in a completely different way than others here have meant it. Why use it to confuse the issue?)
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06-17-2009 11:17
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The vast majority of people in the world find the idea of children depicted in sexualized environments to be completely offensive.
What does that have to do with anything? There was no "sexualized environment".
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Marianne McCann
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06-17-2009 11:17
From: Clarissa Lowell
It already can. What's new about it being Zindra?


An important point I've tried to make a couple of times. It does not matter if sexual ageplay happens on Zindra, on a private island, on a mature mainland parcel, or by the pool at the Governor's mansion in Clementina. It does not matter if it happened yesterday or a week ago.
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Marianne McCann
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06-17-2009 11:18
From: Osprey Therian
I do think that turning up at Zindra in a child av shows insensitivity towards the people who are being moved against their will. It seems to me that 100% of the world's strife could be mitigated if all respected each other.


Such insensitivity was not my intent, and for *that* I apologize.
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06-17-2009 11:19
There's a Governor's Mansion? Cooool.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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06-17-2009 11:19
From: Milla Janick
PR black eye? Over a guy is a crappy giant penis costume?

Get a life.

That's just pathetic.

Speaking as someone who has been known to venture out occasionally into the real world, and who even converses sometimes with people who AREN'T hiding behind pixelated Barbie dolls, I can assure you that what to YOU (and, indeed to me) seems like a "crappy giant penis costume" is likely to be read rather differently by those not acculturated to the wonderful world that is SL.

Here's what they see: Party. Giant Penis. Child. All in relatively close proximity.

You don't think that Sky News or Fox or the Daily Mail could run with that one?
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06-17-2009 11:19
From: Marianne McCann
Last time I heard of anyone legitimately actioned over such was a couple months ago, under the proximity clause (in this case, a location with some very inappropriate content including photorealistic imagery). There have been some other instances, akin to another SL Forum's account actioning that would appear to have been in error or an example of very poor judgement. I'm *sure* there are instances I do not know of, and do not really want to know of.

That said, it would appear that *actual* sexual ageplay on SL is a rarity, and likely rarer than it is elsewhere on the 'net.

So really the rules have been working and with having to be age verified it's a good chance it will be even more of a rarity on zindra? Since they can access the same things on mature now with NPIOF..
I would think it would be more of a rarity anyways.. hehehehe
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06-17-2009 11:21
From: Milla Janick
PR black eye? Over a guy is a crappy giant penis costume?
One that wasn't there long enough for me to see it... and I'm in the center of the picture!

(I was busy vaporizing Blondin's socks because he didn't give me a bear after offering one)
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06-17-2009 11:21
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Speaking as someone who has been known to venture out occasionally into the real world, and who even converses sometimes with people who AREN'T hiding behind pixelated Barbie dolls,


Scylla why the hostility/mockery - and why persist in speaking to others as if they are stupid when in fact they merely disagree with you.
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Milla Janick
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06-17-2009 11:21
From: Clarissa Lowell
It already can. What's new about it being Zindra?

The only difference between Zindra and the land currently defined as Mature is, Linden Lab would like you to demonstrate you're willing to give them money by placing payment information on file with them to get into it.

Do people seriously find this incident shocking? Are you still scared of Marylin Manson?
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Marianne McCann
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06-17-2009 11:22
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Speaking as someone who has been known to venture out occasionally into the real world, and who even converses sometimes with people who AREN'T hiding behind pixelated Barbie dolls, I can assure you that what to YOU (and, indeed to me) seems like a "crappy giant penis costume" is likely to be read rather differently by those not acculturated to the wonderful world that is SL.?


Or, for that matter, if they happen to live in San Francisco.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/around_town/the_scene/Welcome-Back-Healthy-Penis.html (likely NSFW - image 9 of 10 might be the most relevant to the discussion)
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06-17-2009 11:22
From: Milla Janick
Do people seriously find this incident shocking? Are you still scared of Marylin Manson?


No, and, I've met him and he's a very nice guy...
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Scylla Rhiadra
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06-17-2009 11:27
From: Clarissa Lowell
Scylla why the hostility/mockery - and why persist in speaking to others as if they are stupid when in fact they merely disagree with you.

Clarissa, I was in fact responding, in what I thought was a reasonably humorous way, quite directly to the suggestion that I need to "get a life," and the implication that I am "pathetic." And in point of fact, my answer wasn't meant to be particularly hostile, nor did I intend to suggest that anyone is stupid. The reference to occasionally getting out into the real world was actually self-deprecating.
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06-17-2009 11:27
From: Clarissa Lowell
No, and, I've met him and he's a very nice guy...


I must say I was more shocked when I found out Alice Cooper plays golf. O.O
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06-17-2009 11:29
From: Marianne McCann
Or, for that matter, if they happen to live in San Francisco.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/around_town/the_scene/Welcome-Back-Healthy-Penis.html (likely NSFW - image 9 of 10 might be the most relevant to the discussion)

OMG!!!hahaha could you have found a better article?? I don't think so hahahahahaha :D
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06-17-2009 11:30
Note Apologies for flipping back and forth between Ethen's account and mine but the Forums are really shot to Hell tonight and it seems to be the only way to get a post up.

From: Clarissa Lowell
It already can. What's new about it being Zindra?

Because I was under the sorry impression, what with 'Adult' content providers being moved to the new continent and all, that the Lindens were making a serious attempt to isolate ageplayers of any description from 'Adult' content. In which case we would have one part of SL that would be reasonably safe.

Stupid of me, I know. Really, really stupid.

From: Clarissa Lowell
(BTW I assume you mean 'ageplayer' in a completely different way than others here have meant it. Why use it to confuse the issue?)

I explained that in this post just before you (re)joined the thread:



It makes no difference to me if others are confused. I don't seem to be getting the point across at all and I very much doubt that I will, regardless how much I mince my words to suit the Linden brand.
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06-17-2009 11:31
From: Milla Janick
The only difference between Zindra and the land currently defined as Mature is, Linden Lab would like you to demonstrate you're willing to give them money by placing payment information on file with them to get into it.

Do people seriously find this incident shocking? Are you still scared of Marylin Manson?
I LOVE his versions of Tainted Love and Personal Jesus. =^-^=
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06-17-2009 11:32
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Speaking as someone who has been known to venture out occasionally into the real world, and who even converses sometimes with people who AREN'T hiding behind pixelated Barbie dolls, I can assure you that what to YOU (and, indeed to me) seems like a "crappy giant penis costume" is likely to be read rather differently by those not acculturated to the wonderful world that is SL.

Here's what they see: Party. Giant Penis. Child. All in relatively close proximity.

You don't think that Sky News or Fox or the Daily Mail could run with that one?

No, I don't believe they could run with that because there's nothing there.

I guess they could try if they wanted to see if it were possible to make the Weekly World News look credible.
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06-17-2009 11:32
From: Clarissa Lowell
It already can. What's new about it being Zindra?

Because I was under the sorry impression, what with 'Adult' content providers being moved to the new continent and all, that the Lindens were making a serious attempt to isolate ageplayers of any description from 'Adult' content. In which case we would have one part of SL that would be reasonably safe.

Stupid of me, I know. Really, really stupid.

From: Clarissa Lowell
(BTW I assume you mean 'ageplayer' in a completely different way than others here have meant it. Why use it to confuse the issue?)

I explained that in this post just before you (re)joined the thread:



It makes no difference to me if others are confused. I don't seem to be getting the point across at all and I very much doubt that I will, regardless how much I mince my words to suit the Linden brand.
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06-17-2009 11:37
From: Milla Janick
No, I don't believe they could run with that because there's nothing there.

I sincerely hope you are right, because I too believe that "there's nothing there." At the same time, I think that this demonstrates some pretty poor judgement on the part of some of those present (from whom I would, btw, exempt Marianne, as she seems very much aware of the issues at play here).
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06-17-2009 11:39
Personally? I think people are probably a lot more concerned about what is in the top headlines - like oh, imminent nuclear war - than a couple of cartoons in a virtual world. To be blunt, if asked what "most people" out there would think of 'that screencap' - most people out there do not give a crap about this game one way or the other.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
Clarissa, I was in fact responding, in what I thought was a reasonably humorous way, quite directly to the suggestion that I need to "get a life," and the implication that I am "pathetic." And in point of fact, my answer wasn't meant to be particularly hostile, nor did I intend to suggest that anyone is stupid. The reference to occasionally getting out into the real world was actually self-deprecating.


Using your own rhetoric for a moment here - can you at least see how the section I quoted from your post could be construed as mocking and hostile? Lol.

And not for nothin' - but if you do not even think the incident was a big deal, then why do you keep harping on it? The issues only stay 'in the news' if people keep insisting they do.

FWIW I did not interpret someone else's post as the "incident" being a PR debacle being "pathetic" as even being addressed to you. Ethen had been the one talking about that. Speaking of which.

I'm sorry but I've had my fill of humorless and hypervigilant today.

Not to mention passive-aggressive.

From: Ethen Drechsler
Because I was under the sorry impression, what with 'Adult' content providers being moved to the new continent and all, that the Lindens were making a serious attempt to isolate ageplayers of any description from 'Adult' content. In which case we would have one part of SL that would be reasonably safe.

Stupid of me, I know. Really, really stupid.


I explained that in this post just before you (re)joined the thread:
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I'm leaving the thread for a while. Toodles.
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06-17-2009 11:52
From: Clarissa Lowell
And not for nothin' - but if you do not even think the incident was a big deal, then why do you keep harping on it? The issues only stay 'in the news' if people keep insisting they do.

You are right, I don't think it is a "big deal," in reality. But it very nicely exemplifies the point made earlier in this thread by the learned Prof. Kappler (now represented by his aged uncle), that the very presence of child avatars on Zindra constitutes a problem, and a potential threat (even if inadvertent) to everyone else in their vicinity.

As for my supposed hostility to Milla . . . while my response was not intended to be anything more than a humorous rejoinder, I might note that I have received more than my fair share of lumps from her in the past, and she has demonstrated that she can handle a few back in return. In fact, even had I intended to "wound" her, my poor wit would undoubtedly have proven unequal to the task.
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06-17-2009 11:58
From: Scylla Rhiadra
...the very presence of child avatars on Zindra constitutes a problem, and a potential threat (even if inadvertent) to everyone else in their vicinity...
I would further qualify that by saying: The presence of a child avatar in a sexually oriented situation on Zindra constitutes a problem. (^_^)

Saying "Zindra is for sex" is like saying "The internet is for porn". It's too umbrella and creates the perception of a problem that, so far, is not there. (=_=)y
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