Save SL: Reduce Your Inventory!

I thought you were a music teacher at some big college back east? Or a photographer in RL? Or wait, was it a programmer? I'm seriously confused here.

Not my fault you flipped so quickly!


I'm willing to lose a couple thousand items if it will spare a glorious beauty such as yourself.

Michael, you uneducated hillbilly...wait. Uneducated HAVbilly! lol. Sorry. That comment made me laugh. The phrase "won't hold up in court" still doesn't mean anything to me, but that's my own perspective getting in the way. You clarified how you were using it, and I understand. Sorry on the HAV comment. You ARE an HAV unit. You WANT to be a boy, and you aren't wearing any clothes. I'm with you.

I still think you are trying to impose your own personal situation on others to try to make a determination of what people need or don't need. You aren't being terribly overt about it, but to some extent, you are looking at what you have and what you think you need to have the experience you want in SL and you are trying to tell others that they should be able to get by with the same. Lexxi had a reasonable question. If you are primarily the HAV unit and are not changing into a human form except on rare occasions, then you don't need much of a clothing inventory. That's a huge chunk of inventory for a lot of the people in SL. Lexxi was just asking about that because that means you can get by with a much smaller inventory than, say, Oryx, who was talking about how she enjoys playing dress-up with her avatar. She probably has similar needs for inventory storage because she has a business as well, so with all things considered, her need will be for a larger inventory than you.

I don't think your opinion about what you need is wrong or unreasonable, I just think you have to realize that other people have different needs. We agree on the difference between RL needs and SL needs.

Ann. Thank you! Want to split my bag of potato chips? I'll trade you my orange for those cookies.

Awwww....

lol, I want to go play an infected on the I Am Legend sim...I'm sure that will be my best look to date.



Are they barbecue? I prefer barbecue. And cookies for an orange is not a fair trade. How about your pudding cup instead?

I am going to agree completely with Michael on this. I believe this is a simple issue. Some are confusing the meaning of the word "necessity" with the meaning of the word "desire". I will never be convinced that -anybody- actually REQUIRES 5000 or more items of inventory in order to enjoy Second Life, much less simply "use" it. That to me is simply absurd.

Now don't forget to wish me a happy birthday or none of you are getting Christmas pies from me this year.

Well, earlier in this post I said my invo was 3600, but now I've had a go at weeding out the things I don't want and it's down to under 2900! That includes a fair number of clothes, lots of things I've made, textures I've uploaded.

basing what is 'needed' to enjoy ones second life is in itself not a number. Its what each individual needs to enjoy ones second life to its fullest. umbers will ONLY become a yardstick when LL sets them. Until then its simply opinions. Nothing more or nothing less.

When people start telling me what my needs are, and expect me to follow them, they can pay my bills for me, no sooner.

Colloquialism? No it isn't. People mean it when they say it...

What's the point of this post? I've done a lot of things, and continue to do so--that's what life is all about.

It isn't necessary for you to be convinced, and you can think it's as absurd as you like. That doesn't change the fact that many of us disagree.

The inventory isn't the whole experience, no, but it can certainly enhance it.

I try to keep my inventory right around 3000-3500 items. I put all textures into my texture organizer as quickly as I can, and snapshots go in there, too. I store outfits in boxes if possible, and have only lost a skirt to one outfit so far due to "item missing from database" and it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I recently opened a little resell shop because I love to shop and can't afford to in RL as much as I can in SL. I have to admit....Sunni is pretty vain. 3 different RaC skin packs as well as some other skins I've picked up here and there, and lots and lots of hair. No, I don't NEED these things, but they're important to my enjoyment of SL, so I have them. I do try to periodically go through my inventory, weekly if possible, and clean out what I really don't need. I put things out for resell that I haven't worn in a while and once I've gone on a new shopping trip. I get a little antsy if my inventory count gets too high..not sure why, it just makes me skeevy, and i have to organize it or clean it. Wish I was that organize in RL, actually....lol.
And, Michael, a lot of times I agree with things you say, but I have noticed in this thread and other threads that you don't like when someone disagrees with you. A debate does not equate to you telling others they are wrong and you are right, and if they don't agree with you they are even more wrong. Sorry, but I read these threads every day, much more often then I post and it's a trend that shows itself time and time again to someone who sits back and reads the posts objectively. I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, I love these forums and find hours of amusement because so many of you are just downright funny.....Brenda has a dry wit that I love, and Trout is just hilarious. You get to know a person's personality by reading their posts, and it's what I've noticed in yours. Even if I agree with you, I still sometimes find that you are just a little overzealous in "defending" your position, or trying to negate someone else's. I hope that's not considered flaming, because I really don't mean it to be. It's just an obersvation, and I just had to chime in on this. I'll get back to work now, people.

I like you Trout. You're a good man Charlie Brown.

Happy Birthday Zaphod! *smooch*

Oh Bradley, its the textures!!! At least for me it is...and scripts...I have shoved a bunch of textures into organizers...will clean my inventory more tonight.

Over half my inventory (approx 6k total) is for demo skins and hair that I do indeed need for shape development. Another chunck of textures are for my marketing and product boxes. A large portion of my wardrobe collection is also for my shape business. And my inventory continues to grow as I add new demos.

I need all these items handy during development. I rapidly switch from one skin to another to judge the effect on shape, and switch out the hair and then try them with different accessories. Storing them away in a prim would cripple my development process.

So different people do indeed have different needs for Inventory. Without my business-related items, I'd probably get by with 3k of stuff.

Now, Michael, you are just flaming. Stop it you goof!

Warning: As of last examination, the filter setting does not persist through a log-off/log-on sequence. (There's a JIRA on this) May be fixed in next release, dunno. However, easy enough to re-set to whatever is convenient for you.

wow, how a cool OP turns into warfare, yuk

as to the original point...... how about deleting everything named 'object'. If it wasn't worth renaming, it probably isn't worth hanging on to

I don't know. My view on this is based entirely on whether the supersized inventories are dragging the asset server performance. If they are, then I think something should be done about it -- caps, fees for exceeding them, something like that. But again I don't know whether there is a technical issue or not -- I don't think it's clear that this is the culprit for the asset problems we have all had.

I have an alt I never did anything with except change skin and shape, and add one set of new clothing. He has 947 items in inventory, including Library. So I guess we start out with about 800-900 items.

When I get to inventory cutting, I'll go see what I delete from that AV when I discard all the noob stuff from his initial creation.

My general feeling is that while inventory management is a good and necessary practice, there are at worst 50,000 people on at any given time, and not all of them are loading inventory at the same time - the 20odd percent of campers, or most of them, certainly are NOT. The game is not rendering every item in your inventory - it's just keeping track of your location, plus anything actually rezzed in world.

What is wrong with the databases why 50,000 people, at worst, can't be on at the same time pulling data? eBay doesn't have this problem. Amazon doesn't have this problem. And they have hella more information to store than the same standard library of dead unused noob avatars.

The asset server situation stinks, and I get the feeling that LL is not yet willing to spend the money to upgrade to a true enterprise level system that can handle terabytes of data from different sources. I mean, hell, even the 2D web applications (the forums, transaction history, friends online) get borked now. And it's only a few hundred thousand active members, most of which are rarely awake and active at the same time!

So... yes, we need to have more discipline, but LL needs to make the longer term investment so that it stops feeling like they are running the asset servers in some garage.

Yes, it would be nice for a Linden to come out and say what will help the asset server database performance.

If it were a Linden , I know a lot of us would be willing to sign on to rational limitation plans to keep inventories under control.

I wouldn't be caught dead in a HVAC outfit.

I agree.

I have heard of people with very low inventory counts having items lost, although it seems more prevalent with larger inventories ... but certainly not limited to them. Statistically, of course, you would expect people with older, large inventories to be more vulnerable to loss over time.

I think the only thing that is clear is that an individual AV's life experience is better (less lag etc.) with smaller inventories. Under 10,000 seems acceptable to most people.

So sorry, I said "freeloader" and it is not the same thing as a basic resident who buys lindens and objects. Some people contribute more than others but it is not my point.
I am thinking about the hordes of residents that come in and never insert money into SL. They go around with only freebies, camping, begging for money and the worst of them become freebie sellors. They are easy to spot no payment infomation. Come on people, we are all suppose to be adults. Pony up a few dollars to buy some Lindens.
I think there should be a limit on totally free. So sorry but each residence needs to pay something to provide to the common good.