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Cristalle Karami
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10-16-2007 10:10
But but... then I couldn't get those mega-packs of hair, or fatpacks of clothing/shoes!

It makes me realize just how inefficient our hair/clothing systems are because of no-mod, or failing to take advantage of texture changing scripts for certain items (hair and shoes come to mind). Wouldn't it be better to buy just one color-changeable hair, instead of a box of 4, or 60? Every time I get one of those 60 packs of hair I cringe, but I can't let it go... on rare occasion, I *would* like a funky color of hair. :(
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Malachi Petunia
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10-16-2007 10:12
From: someone
Why not charge for extra inventory? If I WANT to carry around 50,000 items, I should be able to, provided that I'm willing to pay for it. Maybe something really minimal, like $1/month for an additional 50,000 items or something? And put a cap on all basic accounts?
This is not the first time it has been suggested nor the first time that LL has burbled about inventory caps. I would imagine that neither of those tasks would be "fun", so they don't get implemented.

Given that the asset server silently ate 75% of my inventory this year, I think LL has done my part for me already. I guess I should be grateful for the time they saved me, or sumptin. ;)
Lexxi Gynoid
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10-16-2007 10:16
From: Raymond Figtree
Post the funniest/oddest/most embarrassing thing you delete during your next inventory purge. The winner gets a copy version of Supa's animated crab that keeps disappearing even though I don't delete it.

Judging will be done by someone impartial and non-cliquish: Trent Laws.

Contest ends midnight SL time Wednesday. Or sooner if this thread gets locked.

So - how much is it taking up on the asset server? Those 15 trillion crabs that you haver released and then lost? :)
Lexxi Gynoid
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10-16-2007 10:18
From: Raymond Figtree
I talked to Trent. He is fine with just hearing people's descriptions of their items and not having them sent to him. He also expressed suprisingly little interest in receiving your thong-with-dreadlocks.

heh - I hadn't thought of that. Wonder how much larger Trout's inventory is now that he started that little business :)

Remember, it isn't the size that matters but how you use it. So keep only one copy of that picture of the slutty woman, not ten.

edited to note that I know you said Trent, that just jarred that little thingie about Trout into my active mind.
Cristalle Karami
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10-16-2007 10:18
Raymond, you need to put a homing beacon on that crab.
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Nika Talaj
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10-16-2007 10:19
From: Cristalle Karami
It makes me realize just how inefficient our hair/clothing systems are because of no-mod, or failing to take advantage of texture changing scripts for certain items (hair and shoes come to mind). Wouldn't it be better to buy just one color-changeable hair, instead of a box of 4, or 60?(
Depends on what you're trying to optimize for, inventory usage or lag. Colorchange hair and shoes will lag you (and the sim) more than non-colorchange ... every colorchange prim has a script in it.

This balance leads to weird products like Gurl6's packs of colorchange hair ... only highlights are colorchange, so you get a modicum of lag and a huge inventory, all in one!

Note that since all hair is mod, you CAN get a pack of hair textures and retexture it yourself. A little risky for most hair, but worth playing with. Some hairshops actually offer texture packs for their hair. There are some free hair texture packs on SLX if you want to play with it.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 10:19
From: Daisy Rimbaud

However, I doubt that Raymond's thesis that the depression is all due to the fact that no-one will buy no-copy items anymore is valid. Just because he lost a few items he assumes that everyone is now boycotting all the furniture makers.
Are you on crack? Do you really think I would be stupid enough to say the depression is ALL based on people not buying no-copy items? Do you really think I assume everyone is now boycotting ALL the furniture makers? Where do I mention a boycott of furniture makers in my OP?

My OP was a bit of hyperbole to point out that reducing inventory can be a good thing. Read it again.

"Folks, we have a smoking asset server that is overloaded, leading to permanent loss of our no copy items, leading to a loss in consumer purchases, leading to a depression, leading to creators selling their land and leaving, leading to the end of SL."

Can you see it's a bit tongue-in-cheek? Or do you think I really believe if you don't reduce your inventory, SL will fold? Jesus.
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Ann Launay
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10-16-2007 10:21
From: Michael Bigwig


I wouldn't think it's fair to business and land owners to suffer performance, while a bunch of people are running around 'accumulating' assets they don't need, or more importantly never even use.



Who gets to decide what we do or do not need? It's all relative. And how are business owners going to make a profit if we stop accumulating? Will sim performance matter that much if they're not making sales?
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 10:22
From: Cristalle Karami
Raymond, you need to put a homing beacon on that crab.
I need to put a homing beacon on my jaw, because it has dropped through the floor witnessing the need for some people to pick apart any idea on this forum.
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Bradley Bracken
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10-16-2007 10:24
From: Raymond Figtree
Post the funniest/oddest/most embarrassing thing you delete during your next inventory purge.


It's not funny odd or embarrassing but I must share it anyway. During my last purge I accidentally deleted my favorite outfit by Paul LaPointe. When I went to his store to buy it again it was no longer available so I IM'd him for it and said I'd gladly purchase it. Instead, Paul insisted on giving it to me. This isn't the first outstanding service I've received from him. Great products, great service and not a camping chair in sight. Now that, to me, is what SL is all about.
Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 10:25
From: Michael Bigwig

If this "boxing-up" method is truly an answer, perhaps this could be implemented as a necessity to all those reaching a specific asset-count.


I think the boxing up not causing any issues needs to be confirmed first.

Like I said a regular forums participant- I think it was coco - Lost a fair number of items doing this on a previous Forums inspired inventory "clean up"

Id hate for us to tell people to stuff their inventory into boxes and then find out that they lost their stuff, thats all.
Nika Talaj
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10-16-2007 10:25
From: Ann Launay
Someone gave me a nice texture organizer. Since I don't actually have that many textures, I put my in-world pics in there too.
What a cool idea! Many texture organizers are copy, so one could just set one or a few up for snampshots.

Also, TRU has a free texture organizer at the door to their main shop that would do just fine for snapshots. Just get as many copies of it as you need.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 10:26
From: Cristalle Karami
Raymond, you need to put a homing beacon on that crab.
I need to put a homing beacon on my expectation that people can post constructively on this forum.
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Cristalle Karami
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10-16-2007 10:26
From: Nika Talaj
Depends on what you're trying to optimize for, inventory usage or lag. Colorchange hair and shoes will lag you (and the sim) more than non-colorchange ... every colorchange prim has a script in it.

This balance leads to weird products like Gurl6's packs of colorchange hair ... only highlights are colorchange, so you get a modicum of lag and a huge inventory, all in one!

Note that since all hair is mod, you CAN get a pack of hair textures and retexture it yourself. A little risky for most hair, but worth playing with. Some hairshops actually offer texture packs for their hair. There are some free hair texture packs on SLX if you want to play with it.

True but the lag is minimal if it's not actively listening, and the listens do not start until the hair is touched by the owner. I would take the negligible lag in exchange for relief on the asset server any day.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-16-2007 10:26
From: Michael Bigwig
Firstly, can we get a definitive answer as to whether inventory hording does actually create (or will create) performance issues? Let's get a straight answer here please.

Secondly, what in the name of Sam Elliot are some of you doing with over 5000 assets? That's just unnecessary. I guess if you give a RL pack-rat unlimited storage in a magic bag, they'll give OCD a new outlet.

It's certainly time for a cleaning on my part--I've never cleaned house once, and I've been around since '05. However, I'm still under the 1000 mark...go figure.

Someone probably already has said it, but do you actually ever change your avatar? Or your clothes? You have a great avatar, but if you do not ever change your clothes or shape or . . . :)
Bradley Bracken
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10-16-2007 10:29
From: Raymond Figtree
I need to put a homing beacon on my expectation that people can post constructively on this forum.


Hey, I take offense to that statement. Several of us have attempted to offer good advice. Must be we're not part of your clique. :D
Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 10:32
From: Ann Launay
Who gets to decide what we do or do not need? It's all relative. And how are business owners going to make a profit if we stop accumulating? Will sim performance matter that much if they're not making sales?


I think the inventory *Could* work something like this.


-Basic account less than 6 months old 1000 items.

-Basic account over 6 months old 5000 items.

-Premium account 10,000 items.

-Concierge level 50,000 items.

-Purchase of additional inventory space - Basic OR Premium
$1 USD per 5000 items.



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Again the some have said reducing inventory sizes doesn't help - If it would Help a lot I cant believe LL wouldn't have done it sooner.
Cristalle Karami
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10-16-2007 10:36
From: Nika Talaj
This balance leads to weird products like Gurl6's packs of colorchange hair ... only highlights are colorchange, so you get a modicum of lag and a huge inventory, all in one!

And on second thought, it would be way too easy to create a script that both does both color change for highlights and texture changes, so she would only have to sell one hairdo.... or if she wanted to limit the ranges of each hairdo, one hairdo per pack.
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Nika Talaj
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10-16-2007 10:38
Re: inventory caps ... they could work. Certainly as a new revenue stream for LL, tho they would require new server-side code to really enforce, and I doubt LL is going to spend time on it. Particularly as, like Colette said, we don't know how big a problem a large asset database is for LL. And certainly no one is asking us for help on this, so while we can toss around ideas, I think Ray's original impulse is the only absolutely known correct one here:

We'll all be better off if we trim our inventories, and maybe LL will be too.
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Meade Paravane
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10-16-2007 10:43
From: Colette Meiji
I think the inventory *Could* work something like this.


-Basic account less than 6 months old 1000 items.
-Basic account over 6 months old 5000 items.
-Premium account 10,000 items.
-Concierge level 50,000 items.
-Purchase of additional inventory space - Basic OR Premium
$1 USD per 5000 items.

Would, say, a rare Starax high-prim piece count the same as a .5m wooden cube in your trash?
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Betty Barracuda
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10-16-2007 10:45
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip

1. My "Recent Items" tab shows everything I have. At one time it used to just show what I'd acquired that day or session. How do I reset that?


I just just figured that out! I had been bitching about my recent items tab for weeks, saying how it was now broken and kept just getting bigger and bigger...which is a major pain! And then...*ding!*

I noticed on the show filters menu, that I had not put in a "time frame" for the "show whatever the menu says...since last logoff". You can set # of days or even hours. Weeee! That filter has become my new best friend! <3
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 10:46
From: Betty Barracuda
I just just figured that out! I had been bitching about my recent items tab for weeks, saying how it was now broken and kept just getting bigger and bigger...which is a major pain! And then...*ding!*

I noticed on the show filters menu, that I had not put in a "time frame" for the "show whatever the menu says...since last logoff". You can set # of days or even hours. Weeee! That filter has become my new best friend! <3
Most helpful post in the last month. THANK YOU!!!!! :D

p.s. Your avatar is a crack-up!
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Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 10:48
From: Meade Paravane
Would, say, a rare Starax high-prim piece count the same as a .5m wooden cube in your trash?


I would think so, however That might depend.

Does having either in your inventory take the same database resources?

If different complexity items take different resources then the limits should be resource based.

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It could be the unique entry is more complex but you having a copy of it in your inventory isn't ..
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10-16-2007 10:52
From: Betty Barracuda
Weeee! That filter has become my new best friend! <3


Thanks! Now you're MY new best friend! What a pain that was.
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10-16-2007 10:53
From: Lexxi Gynoid
heh - I hadn't thought of that. Wonder how much larger Trout's inventory is now that he started that little business :)

Remember, it isn't the size that matters but how you use it. So keep only one copy of that picture of the slutty woman, not ten.

edited to note that I know you said Trent, that just jarred that little thingie about Trout into my active mind.


My inventory hasn't grown significantly since I started the sluttyness rating business. That hasn't really taken off like it could have. Maybe word of mouth will start spreading. Soon, you won't even be able to get into certain clubs unless you've been rated.

OK - stupid question time. I hate to even ask. If the problem is items residing on LL's server and using up too much space, then wouldn't bixing the items give you the same problem? IOW, if the items we see in inventory are basically notecards that tell the servers what to get when we click on them, then don't those items reside on the server regardless of the location of the notecard? Boxing stuff that you don't use often or sending it to an alt if it's transfer makes sense in terms of organizing your personal inventory so you can find the stuff you need easily, but I don't see how it solves the problems that Raymond was referring to in his original post.
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