Save SL: Reduce Your Inventory!
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Lexii Walcott
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10-16-2007 18:25
This post hit home for me.. I have just under 15k in items..for awhile there I was spending 1 hour a day going through it and either throwing things away, or putting things into a GIVE AWAY folder that I made for new females. The problem began when I started feeling like it was fruitless and I gave up on doing it....
Tonight I will sit my butt down on my lil beach and spend an hour cleaning my "closet" and I will try to keep myself inline by doing it every day that I log in....
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-16-2007 18:30
Nobody is under any moral, ethical or social obligation to "insert money into SL" or to "provide for the common good". As for camping, blame the people who own the camping chairs, not the campers. As for freebies, if one wants to walk around with only freebies, who are you to judge? If someone doesn't want to pay for Second Life, or even worse, cannot afford to do so, who are you to judge? What harm does it do you? The "high nail" as Cory would say is to build a scalable grid that supports it all without so much as a hiccup, not to limit those with either no capacity or no inclination to "pay to play". I pay because I choose to pay. I get more out of my experience by being premium. I get more out of my experience by purchasing goods from other Residents. That my own experience is enhanced by these things does not mean everyone's would be. The experience is what the Resident makes it, no strings attached. From: Ranma Tardis So sorry, I said "freeloader" and it is not the same thing as a basic resident who buys lindens and objects. Some people contribute more than others but it is not my point. I am thinking about the hordes of residents that come in and never insert money into SL. They go around with only freebies, camping, begging for money and the worst of them become freebie sellors. They are easy to spot no payment infomation. Come on people, we are all suppose to be adults. Pony up a few dollars to buy some Lindens. I think there should be a limit on totally free. So sorry but each residence needs to pay something to provide to the common good.
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Ricardo Harris
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10-16-2007 18:33
From: Raymond Figtree Folks, we have a smoking asset server that is overloaded, leading to permanent loss of our no copy items, leading to a loss in consumer purchases, leading to a depression, leading to creators selling their land and leaving, leading to the end of SL. LL has not (yet) imposed inventory limits. But here is a simple thing you can do to lighten the load on the asset server: Delete ten more items than you add every time you are inworld. This small act just might save the world. Some things you can purge: Copies of your copy items. Duplicated landmarks, notecards and floating text. Clothing you no longer wear. Calling cards of people you can't remember. Extra pine trees, underwear and gestures. Get creative: Every time I'm inworld, I type a random word in search and see what it brings up that I can delete. It's amazing how much crap you have that's giving the asset hamsters hernias. Suggestions for other things to delete are welcome. As are comments derailing this thread.  Over-dramatization? While it sounds good and all you have to guess most people won't buy into this.
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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10-16-2007 18:49
From: Ranma Tardis I am thinking about the hordes of residents that come in and never insert money into SL. They go around with only freebies, camping, begging for money and the worst of them become freebie sellors. They are easy to spot no payment infomation. Come on people, we are all suppose to be adults. Pony up a few dollars to buy some Lindens. I think there should be a limit on totally free. So sorry but each residence needs to pay something to provide to the common good. I was one of those hordes. I came into SL after reading an article with no idea what I was getting into. I clicked on every freebie out there cause I assumed that's what I was suppose to do. I refused to pay money and only used freebies for awhile. Never sinking a dime into SL. With time, though, I learned what SL was all about. I started to buy things, add to the economy, eventually renting a place. Now I have a job in SL. I own a nice lot and I buy lindens regularly and contribute to the economy. It took me about a month before I really started to "contribute" to the economy, as you say and that was with me being on many hours each day. What about others who don't spend as much time or may take a little bit longer to get the feel of the place? How long do we give them Ranma? 3 months? 6 months? At that time do we call them deadbeats and throw them out? I guess we'll let you be the judge, huh?
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 18:50
From: Ricardo Harris Over-dramatization?
While it sounds good and all you have to guess most people won't buy into this. Thank you for your helpful addition to this thread. Got anything constructive to add or did you just pop in to bash me?
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Jannae Karas
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10-16-2007 19:26
Wow! I tried to follow this thread from the beginning, but decided I should use the time to clean out my inventory instead. Anything to assist in the war against the lag monster.
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Taeas Stirling
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10-16-2007 19:51
you know seems we had a round of dump your inventory to save sl about 2 years ago. before any real damage was done, one of the lindens posted that they prefered that we dont just start deleting things left and right, that the deletion querys where harder on the servers than the listing of keys. the premise being thatonce you have it it was better to keep it. There was only about 50000 of us then, I can only imagine what millions of deletions hitting the servers will do now.
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Bradley Bracken
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10-16-2007 19:58
From: Taeas Stirling the deletion querys where harder on the servers than the listing of keys. the premise being thatonce you have it it was better to keep it. There was only about 50000 of us then, I can only imagine what millions of deletions hitting the servers will do now. Shall we find out? How about 12 noon Wednesday everyone??? Mwahaha Just Kidding!!! Just kidding!!!!
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 20:12
From: Taeas Stirling you know seems we had a round of dump your inventory to save sl about 2 years ago. before any real damage was done, one of the lindens posted that they prefered that we dont just start deleting things left and right, that the deletion querys where harder on the servers than the listing of keys. the premise being thatonce you have it it was better to keep it. There was only about 50000 of us then, I can only imagine what millions of deletions hitting the servers will do now. Awesome. I can now go down in history as the avatar that started the misguided thread that destroyed SL. FFS, all I did was suggest people delete 10 items a day. If that's enough to cause real damage then what the hell am I putting time and money into this platform for?
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Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 20:26
From: Raymond Figtree Awesome. I can now go down in history as the avatar that started the misguided thread that destroyed SL.
FFS, all I did was suggest people delete 10 items a day. If that's enough to cause real damage then what the hell am I putting time and money into this platform for? you'd think it could handle the deletions of people who read this barely known forums though. LOL. By the time the word got out .. it would be a natural delay. Back two years ago it was different maybe 1 in 10 actually read the forums.
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Toy LaFollette
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10-16-2007 20:33
every year or so there's this panic that inventories are killing LL. Welps hasnt happned yet and neither have the Lindens asked people to dump a portion of their inventories. I guess I will leave that decision to LL not someones paranoia.
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Bradley Bracken
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10-16-2007 20:39
From: Raymond Figtree Awesome. I can now go down in history as the avatar that started the misguided thread that destroyed SL. I get to be part of the crowd that points and says "He did it!" From: Toy LaFollette every year or so there's this panic that inventories are killing LL. Welps hasnt happned yet and neither have the Lindens asked people to dump a portion of their inventories. I guess I will leave that decision to LL not someones paranoia. Paranoia? Is that what you think this thread is about? Step away from the computer, have some brandy, put on some soft music and relax a bit. Then come back and read again and maybe you'll get it this time when you loosen up.
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Jannae Karas
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10-16-2007 20:46
OMG. I am down to around 3500 items and I fly through teleports. I had a lot of crap. Mostly hover text and etc...
Didn't crash the server deleting things Raymond. I think it will all be OK.
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Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 20:48
From: Bradley Bracken Paranoia? Is that what you think this thread is about? Step away from the computer, have some brandy, put on some soft music and relax a bit. Then come back and read again and maybe you'll get it this time when you loosen up.
I think her point was no Linden has come out and asked people to reduce their inventories. They simply said the database was a really big thing/job/etc. Everything beyond that has been speculation. Which happens like she said every year - actually its more like twice a year.
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Bradley Bracken
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10-16-2007 20:52
From: Colette Meiji I think her point was no Linden has come out and asked people to reduce their inventories.
They simply said the database was a really big thing/job/etc.
Everything beyond that has been speculation.
Which happens like she said every year - actually its more like twice a year. Yeah I get that. I guess I thought paranoia was a pretty strong word when much of Raymonds post was done tongue in cheek.
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Colette Meiji
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10-16-2007 20:54
From: Bradley Bracken Yeah I get that. I guess I thought paranoia was a pretty strong word when much of Raymonds post was done tongue in cheek. hey when people are telling women they cant have their shoe collections - that is paranoia.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-16-2007 21:00
From: Colette Meiji hey when people are telling women they cant have their shoe collections - that is paranoia. TY for the LOL. Perhaps that laugh means there is a possibility I can regain my sense of humor. I will try clearing my cache and logging off for 72 hours. Maybe when I come back, it will be in my lost and found folder. One thing's for sure: I ain't starting any more threads.
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Jannae Karas
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10-16-2007 21:08
From: Raymond Figtree TY for the LOL.
Perhaps that laugh means there is a possibility I can regain my sense of humor. I will try clearing my cache and logging off for 72 hours. Maybe when I come back, it will be in my lost and found folder.
One thing's for sure: I ain't starting any more threads. Desperately hoping for regained sense of humor. I'll take my Samurai Island Katana out of the dusty corner of my inventory and fight anyone who makes my Figgy sad.
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Ava Glasgow
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10-16-2007 23:02
From: Raymond Figtree One thing's for sure: I ain't starting any more threads. 
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Cristalle Karami
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10-16-2007 23:21
From: Raymond Figtree One thing's for sure: I ain't starting any more threads. Oh don't go all Bigwig on us, Ray  Cheer up, you meant well.
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Fire Centaur
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id love to but....
10-16-2007 23:35
Id love to reduce my inventory, i think it has abour 30-40 thousand items by now...
problem is, the inventory manager is so archaic, unfriendly, and slow, managing it is near impossible.
When Linden labs upgrades it to a more manageble interface, it will be the first thing i do!
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Ranma Tardis
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not worth the costs
10-16-2007 23:41
From: Bradley Bracken I was one of those hordes. I came into SL after reading an article with no idea what I was getting into. I clicked on every freebie out there cause I assumed that's what I was suppose to do. I refused to pay money and only used freebies for awhile. Never sinking a dime into SL. With time, though, I learned what SL was all about. I started to buy things, add to the economy, eventually renting a place. Now I have a job in SL. I own a nice lot and I buy lindens regularly and contribute to the economy. It took me about a month before I really started to "contribute" to the economy, as you say and that was with me being on many hours each day. What about others who don't spend as much time or may take a little bit longer to get the feel of the place? How long do we give them Ranma? 3 months? 6 months? At that time do we call them deadbeats and throw them out? I guess we'll let you be the judge, huh? I would only give them a month and then it is pay or no longer have service. Philip is doing social engineering by allowing all of these free accounts. I would make it a lot harder to make a account as well, making it very hard if not inpossible to have a dozen alts. Working is not worth my time in Second Life, it does not pay enough  No I have different values than Philip and his staff. I am willing to accept less capibility to create content and a much smaller population for stability. I am not willing to reduce my inventory as a paying customer to allow another 10,000 freeloaders to access the system. Being a "premium" member is not worth the costs. Why cann't you understand my position?
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Bradley Bracken
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10-17-2007 00:23
From: Ranma Tardis I am not willing to reduce my inventory as a paying customer to allow another 10,000 freeloaders to access the system. Being a "premium" member is not worth the costs. Why cann't you understand my position? I didn't realize that's what you were getting at. I have repeatedly argued in other threads that there should be no basic memberships, though that opinion is changing. ** I really hope that we don't start that debate again here ** Your tone came across to me as rather draconian and I thought you were implying that if people didn't have purchases in their inventory they they should be instantly eliminated.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-17-2007 00:36
From: Raymond Figtree Folks, we have a smoking asset server that is overloaded, leading to permanent loss of our no copy items, leading to a loss in consumer purchases, leading to a depression, leading to creators selling their land and leaving, leading to the end of SL. LL has not (yet) imposed inventory limits. But here is a simple thing you can do to lighten the load on the asset server: Delete ten more items than you add every time you are inworld. This small act just might save the world. Some things you can purge: Copies of your copy items. Duplicated landmarks, notecards and floating text. Clothing you no longer wear. Calling cards of people you can't remember. Extra pine trees, underwear and gestures. Get creative: Every time I'm inworld, I type a random word in search and see what it brings up that I can delete. It's amazing how much crap you have that's giving the asset hamsters hernias. Suggestions for other things to delete are welcome. As are comments derailing this thread.  Hey, I just got here. Is Second Life really closing? I have not even gottne my first land yet. and why are there almost 300 posts about deleting pine trees. Im confused.
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bilbo99 Emu
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10-17-2007 00:45
From: Colette Meiji hey when people are telling women they cant have their shoe collections - that is paranoia. /me sticks head above parapet ... that ain't paranoia .. that's suicide! and Ray, it was a good thread!
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