Do you ever 'share' your Real Life image?

Liar.

lol. Oh man...Nothing I said warrants calling me a pig. You see what you want to see Colette. You're a sad sack.

Your further explanation wasn't any better.

Its just rationalizing the term "Asking for it"

No, it isn't about someone being stalked BECAUSE of a photo, but if the stalking is going to happen, a RL photo can sure help a lot.

I don't just know people that work in law enforcement, I myself work in the IT department of a law enforcement agency. I am responsible for the data and therefore have access to many statistics that are never released to the public for a variety of reasons -- and yes various crime numbers really are larger than people are told. Not only do I deal with the local statistical data, but also statistics at the state and federal level. Stalking happens far more often than many people would believe and it is a crime that is currently experiencing a huge increase in occurence. Even if the overall percentage is low does not mean that one shouldn't take precautions. Hell, the OVERALL percentage of identity theft is still pretty low, but I'm not giving out my info just because it is still a fairly rare happening.

There are varying levels of taking precautions, but sometimes we do trust people that we shouldn't - in RL and in SL. This does not ever mean that someone is 'asking' for anything. That is nothing but a statement that I would expect from a stereotypical male chauvinistic pig - and I really had not thought you to be that.

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You are living a blind existence Colette...whether I sugar coat something or not, doesn't make it any less true.

Let me clarify ONE more time for the hardheads amongst us...ONE more time...ready?

I do not think EVERY women who dresses suggestively is 'asking for it.' I don't think every woman is 'looking for trouble.' I don't think every woman who looks like a hooker is 'asking to get raped.'

I NEVER said these things...this is how some of you skewed my points.

I simply said that some woman who dress these ways, are inviting more trouble their way. These said woman are fully aware of the choices they are making, and they are fully aware (regardless how diplomatic forum-goers pretend to be) that these kinds of actions have consequences...you are tempting fate.

Am I clear? SHeesh. You guys can be so blinded by bias. You don't even know what the hell I'm saying half the time...you have me pegged before you finish SKIMMING my posts.

I never said anything like what you guys are eluding to...I gave examples, and examples not nearly as finite as your's.

Bringing up the concept of "Asking For it"

Was enough to call you a pig.

basically "sexist pig" in case you were wondering what kind.

I never said you did say "Every"

You said "usually" referring to stalkers

and "some" referring to rape

thats enough.

Pig.

Men who take rape so lightly as to suggest women could possibly be looking for it ought to experience first hand being violently assaulted in a sexual manner with no feeling, no remorse, looking into the hate steaming from the eyes of their attacker who wants nothing more than to reduce them into some sub-human vessle for their seed.

Perfect example of how you continually skew. I didn't bring up rape. I was referring to being 'stalked', which is where this topic basically headed early on. You put words in my mouth...are you so ingrained with rape concepts that saying 'asking for it' immediately refers to 'rape?'

I never mean that. Stop skewing my posts please.

I know what you mean Michael, it IS hard to discuss in a forum. Conversing one page at a time. We can't even verify someone else's post for fear of falling into 503 land. That's probably why we should all back off from this subject.

I don't know who brought up stalking/rape, etc. No I'm not going back to see, it doesn't matter. These are very sensitive subjects, and unless you've (general you) actually been a victim, or an instigator for that matter, it would be better not to comment. IMO

Doesn't obtuse mean insensitive and stupid? As for pigs, they're damn cute and smart, too.

Of course. I couldn't agree more. And nothing I said inferred that I didn't believe this. I thought I clarified myself plenty of times. Some people choose to see other things in my posts...

using the term "ASKING FOR IT" referring to stalkers

automatically infers a rape parallel.

you are stupid if you think otherwise.

Cunumdrum brought it up directly and you basically reinforced the parallel to the effect that some women are asking for it with how they dress also.

Nice quote...quote the one part I knew I didn't clarify properly. Stick with that one...ya...it's my weakness. Good job. Put that quote in your sig...for later use.

That sounds like a smart move!

I used to have my RL picture on my FL tab, but being female, it lead to the wrong kind of attention, so I removed it. I have seen many people (often store owners, sim owners, and other business people) with their pics in their profiles. I was once given a RL photo by a woman I had just met. I was surprised, but hey, it's her decision.

Most of the people I hang out with in SL already met me in RL, so they don't need a picture. New friends just have to ask. (That is new "friends" not "new random people I just met 3 minutes ago".)

Grace

This is just such an incredibly sensitive subject. One which has inspired many court cases. It's a shame the number of times a case has been thrown out or the charge lessoned because the term 'asked for it' was implied.

Mike brought it up.

How can you describe women being stalked saying they <usually are asking for it> without making the rape parallel?

He shouldn't have used the term. Period.

You know what...Colette...and the rest of you that disagree...YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.

No one asks for anything. Nope. Never. No one. Every. Not a single woman says, 'I want to be stalked and raped tonight." You're right...because...that's exactly what I was saying through out the entire posts...damn...I see my error now.

Bigwig, you sure are asking for it today.

I don't see how. The only way I think it spoils things is if you're expecting a lot more from whoever it is you're voicing with.

I use voice every day and with different people, friends in my inner circle as well as realtionships I've had and I don't see nor have I ever had any problems and neither have they.

Michael, I know you think that you feel gang upped on but as I've told you before you really need to look at yourself here and in other threads. I mean this most sincerely. You can't control others. In any situation the only thing we can do is look at ourselves and see what we could have done to handle it better. I think it's time you start doing that. You can scream all you want that they are being unfair but that's not really going to do you much good, is it?

If you keep having to defend yourself that others aren't getting what your saying, maybe you need to look at what your saying or at least how your saying it.

You clarifications aren't any better

They just read like rationalizations of the blame the victim mentality.

Yes and I know just the way to give him what he's asking for *hears a buzzing sound*

Skewed again.

You women can be so damn blind. It's the real world out there you know...rapists don't care about diplomacy. They do what they do, and they don't care about your feelings.

Go ahead a live this existence guys...go right ahead. Pretend life isn't rough and tumble...

Go ahead...pretend that dressing a certain way doesn't influence what happens to you. Go ahead...pretend.

Go ahead, get mad at a forum poster, and call him a pig for being honest about this sometimes horribly cruel world. Go ahead.

It won't change the fact that I'm right. That the way a woman dresses can SOMETIMES create situations that normally wouldn't be there had they dressed differently. Go ahead and pretend that that suggestively dressed girl that went into the back room of the party with a stranger wasn't inviting trouble...

Go ahead. Hate me for this...if you must. Use me as the punching bag. I'm sorry I make some of you see through a clearer looking-glass. I didn't make these things so. I wish things were different...but they aren't.

And stop skewing what I say, just to make me even MORE the villain. I never said that ALL women that dress a certain way are 'asking for it.' I think I've made that clear. Just stop looking for reasons to be mean to me...I stand by my opinions. NOne of this was my point by the way...I was talking about RL photos online causing more or less stalking...that's all I was on about. You guys turned this around on me...made me the villain.

It is NEVER the victim's fault.

No matter how risky a situation they place themselves in.

It is always the criminal's fault.