Do you ever 'share' your Real Life image?
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2k Suisei
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02-05-2008 10:00
From: Colette Meiji I met someone in SL who IRL shops at the same supermarket as me. She lives one town over, Pure coincidence.
Your Poll might turn out differently than you expect. Well let's not forget, we're talking about recognizing somebody from a photo in their profile, and not whether you've met somebody in SL that shops in your local supermarket. You crafty debil woman
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Brenda Connolly
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02-05-2008 10:02
From: Colette Meiji lol they are joking Hiro.
very few people are invited into a house and shot by the home owners in the US.
And its still murder unless its self defense.
-------- I do know someone who shot a burglar in a pharmacy though. (robber lived)
Was his 4th time being robbed. I've never shot anyone who didn't have it coming. Maybe those people who show up every Saturday morning with those pamphlets...... All joking aside, I do believe in being well trained in the proer use of any firearm if you are going to own one. And they should be legally owned and registered.
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Michael Bigwig
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02-05-2008 10:02
From: Colette Meiji Who knows, you'd have to ask them. The problem with percentages is they are proportionate. If only 50 people are logged in and 5 have been stalked in some way were all of a sudden at 10%.
NO the only times *YOU* hear it is on the news. I already just said *IVE* known people who its happened to. So have other posters.
Remember by stalked we don't mean just the murder/ kidnappings/ rapes and their attempts. Which is the stuff that makes the news.
Stalking includes a broad range of activities.
ASKING FOR IT? You can be such a pig. NO ONE IS ASKING to be stalked. They might take excessive risks and be stupid what information they give out. But they aren't asking to be stalked.
Well of course not. Who is claiming they were stalked *ONLY* because of a picture they put up. I only see people say thats part of the reason.
the reasoning goes something like this - they don't give out their phone number, they dont give out their RL name, they don't give out their RL address, they dont post their RL photo. After all they wouldn't want to be "asking for it", would they?
Oh right - they are "asking for it"
You are basically arguing against yourself without realizing it. You are saying people should be careful about what information they give out ---
Well to some people being careful includes posting their RL picture.
How do we know this? - just guessing I suppose. You are also assuming stalking only includes the classic follwoing you around ina car stuff.
Many people have their RL's damaged by stalkers who simply use a telephone.
Dumb example. Someone my family knew when I was growing up was stabbed to death by a bus boy. Firstly, I know all the different types of stalking...I'm including all varieties...I thought that was obvious, I guess not. I'm a pig? I'm a pig for openly stating that some people ask for trouble? OK, fine, call me what you like, but it doesn't change the fact that it's completely, and utterly true. Next. Also, I don't just mean what I'VE seen and heard...I didn't word it that way. I was eluding to what OTHER people have told me, what the news tells me, what tabloids tell me...all things considered darling...so I"m not sure what you're on about. And it's not a stupid example to mention the bus boy...you may think it's a stupid example, but I don't...I think it's perfectly related the topic at hand. You never know who's going to stalk you. I'm not an ass for being honest...that's your problem. I just don't sugar coat my posts with diplomacy and cherries.
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02-05-2008 10:05
From: Colette Meiji What are you talking about?
You are just making stuff up I think. Trying to use statistical jargon with no statistical basis. Do the research...and then belittle my opinion.
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Marianne McCann
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02-05-2008 10:11
From: Sandy Carver was wondering what the thoughts were of my Second Life chums on the sharing of your Real Life photo with people that you trust in Second Life? I have a real life photo under my first life tab. It might be a *bit* dated. More modern photos? Not counting those who I knew prior to SL an know here, I have only show RL photos to about a handful of people, most notably my SL parents. I've also seen pictures of them. In these cases, it was after reaching a certain level of trust. At camp last week, one cay, a number of people pulled out RL photos one night, as part of us kinda bonding there (I was not one of those who did). Many of the kids looked to be RL older than many of the adult-avatar camp counselors. It was a really neat moment, and did not change how I (or probably any of us) felt about the avatars present. Mari
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02-05-2008 10:11
From: Cunundrum Alcott Always infuriates me when men feel that women are asking to me treated a certain way. I've actually had someone tell me I was asking to be raped by what I was wearing. I know, it's tough. And I didn't make a blanket statement...I thought that was clear. Not all women ask for trouble...duh, right? But some DO. It doesn't mean I don't empathize with their life and problems...I wish I could change some people. But telling me that when a woman wears a mini skirt showing her ass, a shirt with her boobs hanging out, and a mysterious grin...trouble is much more likely to come your way... It's a catch 22..."I want more attention damnit!" So I'm going to show off everything I've got. But with this attention, you get both the positive and negative. But 'smart' woman know that dressing like a hooker isn't a good idea... Look, I didn't invent the term 'asking for it.' But some women DO ask for trouble...whether they are conscience of it or not...I don't mean it literally...I don't mean a girl says, 'I want to be raped tonight.' But what they SHOULD be asking themselves is this, 'Will this outfit attract only the things I want?' The answer is invariably no...so why do they do it? This isn't rocket science. And I'm not being cold-hearted for making statements that are agreed upon by many intelligent people.
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02-05-2008 10:13
From: Colette Meiji People you know are more dangerous than strangers.
There actually are statistics for that.
Getting to know someone online - puts them into the "people you know" column. Now you're just being difficult Colette.
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Brenda Connolly
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02-05-2008 10:13
From: Michael Bigwig Do the research...and then belittle my opinion. These figures may be somewhat dated, but you can start here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/topics/crime/stalking/welcome.htm
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Sunni Jewell
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02-05-2008 10:15
I have never shown anyone on SL my RL picture, and don't intend to. First of all, I'm married in RL, and partnered to him in SL. Unless someone was interested in me romantically, I have no clue why seeing my RL picture would be important. There's zero chance of me becoming romantically involved on SL with anyone other than my husband, ergo, no need to ever exchange a RL picture.
As far as stalker, I agree with Colette. It's true you're more likely to be stalked by someone who knows you in RL, however, exchanging intimate or a lot of RL information with someone on SL leads them to believe they DO know you in RL. It increases your chances of being stalked, simply by widening the circle of people who are familiar with you.
I also take offense at the idea that sometimes people who are stalked asked for it. However, I will say that this was said by a man doesn't surprise me. Women are far more vulnerable to these types of situations then men are. Yes, I know women can also be a little crazy and stalk a man, but logically it's much more dangerous when the one being stalked is a woman. Saying someone is asking to be stalked, is like saying that walking down the street with your wallet in your pocket is asking to be robbed. The same thing!!!
I was once engaged to a guy, and came to the conclusion it wasn't going to work. We broke up, and I had a male friend from England visiting for several weeks sometime after our breakup. (the man from England is now my husband, but was a friend when he first came to visit) The ex-fiance evidently spyed on us through my window, and went as far as to enter my home, check my voice mail and my computer while we were away. Not sure how I, exactly, asked for that. I suppose by dating him in the first place? By getting engaged to him? By breaking up with him?
It's true that sometimes people put themselves in dangerous situations, either negligently or intentionally, however, the majority of the people who are victims of crime have in no way "asked" for what they got. I never reported my ex-fiance as a stalker, and in fact, didn't really consider him one at the time. After talking with my pastor, though, he (the ex) and I both realized that his coming into my home uninvited and illegally, was stage 4 stalking. He came to his senses, and we've both moved on. It wasn't a happy experience, though, and probably just one of millions which never make the statistics, the news or the tabloids.
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Darken Spire
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02-05-2008 10:15
I had a stalker once and you know what I found out? They taste like chicken! Solved a problem and got a meal! BBQ makes everything better! For those having difficulty with my humor - I am joking.... Stalkers really taste like pork. Is it wrong to laugh at your own jokes? heh heh 
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Michael Bigwig
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02-05-2008 10:15
From: Colette Meiji I actually know several people who have bumped into people they know from RL in SL.
One Escort found out one of her customers was her RL coworker.
OOPPS. You know everything...I'm not surprised.
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Raymond Figtree
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02-05-2008 10:16
Screw it, let's start posting our photos here. >>>  So who wants to party with me now?
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02-05-2008 10:19
From: Isabeau Imako Random strangers on the street will see my face and maybe share a few words with me. In SL, strangers will get to know far more about me. It's far more easy to get into deep conversations with total strangers here. We feel 'safer' because it IS a somewhat anonymous place, we say and do things in SL that we may not do as quickly in RL. Even here, on the forums, we will open up and share our feelings with perfect strangers. This is sometimes the only excuse a potential stalker needs to go forward with his stalking. They start thinking that you are perfect for each other - if only I could show him/her the real person I am, he/she will come to feel the same way, etc. They make up a whole story (image?) about you.
Of course this could happen also in RL, but you are also more able to control who 'hears' what you have to say. This is all subjective. Maybe you feel safer...I don't. A stranger is a stranger (I'm just as apt to talk to either one), in both RL and SL. I think--to be honest--it has more to do with insecurity than with 'safety.' That's why more people open-up in SL...not because they fear for their lives...but just that it's easier to talk to people in general. Just saying...
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Bradley Bracken
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02-05-2008 10:20
From: Malia Writer One person in my group of friends had made up an entire fake "RL" persona, complete with life story and photos, and kept it up for months. We thought we knew "Jane" as a person, and so when the truth came out, there were strong feelings of shock/hurt/anger/betrayal in the group. Some friendships were broken beyond mending, others are being rebuilt slowly and carefully. It is hard to trust this person now, as we cannot be sure that the new persona "Joe" is real either. Why does this surprise or upset anyone? This is SL not Myspace. My pic and my profile is located on many places throughout the net but not here. Here in SL I'm given the opportunity to put on any face I choose and any persona I choose. The information I generally give about myself is true, such as where I live, but that's my choice. When I first logged into SL I seriously considered creating an entirely different persona for the fun of it, but decided otherwise. I had a friend for awhile who did come out recently and admit most of what he told me wasn't true and I shrugged it off. As I've said time and time again. Stay friends with the avatar and not the person and you wont be hurt in SL. If you want to hook up, then there are far better places on the net to do so.
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02-05-2008 10:23
From: Bradley Bracken As I've said time and time again. Stay friends with the avatar and not the person and you wont be hurt in SL. Show me how to do that please. Every avatar I've met in SL was inextricably linked to its person.
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02-05-2008 10:23
From: Sunni Jewell I have never shown anyone on SL my RL picture, and don't intend to. First of all, I'm married in RL, and partnered to him in SL. Unless someone was interested in me romantically, I have no clue why seeing my RL picture would be important... Interesting...with this mode of thinking, why do I even look at people in the real world...I mean...I have a girlfriend, why do I need to see their faces? Hmmm... Several points in your post aren't even based on what was actually said. You should reread... Sorry...but you made statements that seemed to elude to someone saying something...but they never did.
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02-05-2008 10:23
From: Sunni Jewell
Yes, I know women can also be a little crazy and stalk a man, but logically it's much more dangerous when the one being stalked is a woman.
It's actually quite difficult. Women are just as capable of causing a lot of damage (especially when they start throwing bottles at you  ), and a man defending against a woman is very difficult. If a guy attacks me, I have no problems in using equal force in defending myself, but it's not so easy against a woman. I think women can also be quite scary lol, especially when you start receiving photos with your head cut off in the post. I think she must have been a tad upset.
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02-05-2008 10:23
I have RL photos in my SL home. I try to keep my nose clean. Never know who is in SL.
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02-05-2008 10:26
From: Raymond Figtree Screw it, let's start posting our photos here. >>>  So who wants to party with me now? I'm game! 
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Bradley Bracken
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02-05-2008 10:26
From: Raymond Figtree Show me how to do that please. Every avatar I've met in SL was inextricably linked to its person. You are correct. I have deep friendships with the personality of the individual. Where they say they are from and what they say they do is not important to that equation.
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02-05-2008 10:28
From: Raymond Figtree Screw it, let's start posting our photos here.
So who wants to party with me now? Damn Ray, are you sure you're straight? I was considering driving up your way this afternoon. 
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02-05-2008 10:28
From: Hiro Queso I'm game!  You found my teeth!
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02-05-2008 10:29
From: Hiro Queso It's actually quite difficult. Women are just as capable of causing a lot of damage (especially when they start throwing bottles at you  ), and a man defending against a woman is very difficult. If a guy attacks me, I have no problems in using equal force in defending myself, but it's not so easy against a woman. I think women can also be quite scary lol, especially when you start receiving photos with your head cut off in the post. I think she must have been a tad upset. Hell hath no fury... That phrase is all about women...not men. Women are MUCH worse when they are driven.
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02-05-2008 10:30
From: Brenda Connolly I've never shot anyone who didn't have it coming. Maybe those people who show up every Saturday morning with those pamphlets...... I just tell them the truth Brenda, that I'm a gay Buddhist. The look on their face is priceless and that can't wait to get away fast enough.
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02-05-2008 10:38
From: Marianne McCann I have a real life photo under my first life tab. It might be a *bit* dated.
More modern photos? Not counting those who I knew prior to SL an know here, I have only show RL photos to about a handful of people, most notably my SL parents. I've also seen pictures of them. In these cases, it was after reaching a certain level of trust.
At camp last week, one cay, a number of people pulled out RL photos one night, as part of us kinda bonding there (I was not one of those who did). Many of the kids looked to be RL older than many of the adult-avatar camp counselors. It was a really neat moment, and did not change how I (or probably any of us) felt about the avatars present.
Mari That's great, Marianne! Nobody really believes you're a 12 year old kid and so your RL identity is never really an issue. I think the only time a person's RL details ever need to be questioned is when somebody is trying to get involved with us romantically.
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