Sweet!

The ToS really needs to be rewritten more specifically, and more Lindens are really needed if we want them to actually have time to look at BOTH sides of a case (not just the reporter). Sometimes i think all abusereports are sent to an unmanned probe floating around the stratosphere meant to help us. Or maybe the Lindens can't be bothered.

WHAT IS IT LINDENS?? UNMANNED PROBES OR LAZYNESS????

Bah, I'm out too. Thus far every attempt at humour has't ended well, just because of the shortsightedness of the general SL population.

What is more specific than the fact abuse of the rating system is not acceptable?

Abuse of the rating system did not occur. I negged him on my own will, there was no mass negging as they seem to say.

The Lindens are able to tell. They can. Especially in the short term, they can pull up any stats/progression/interactions. You guys know that. You also know we can't prove it so you take it to the forums to try and damage SL's rep with bad reviews and subscription termination. Rock on. I am sorry but y'all got busted an now yer here whining. What a crock. I am sure the masses are going to listen to alts and people who should know better.

Ryen you know I respect you, why you're now locking arms with this entity is mystfying.

Nolan, i know they can tell. They Can, but DO THEY??? NO!!!!!

Nolan, im not, they are locking arms with me. I was suspended for -no- reason whatsoever. I broke no rules, and a 7 day suspension is unacceptable. I am quitting of, once agian, my own free accord. I am not following anyone, and im not sure if anyone is following me, and if so that is not my plan. I am quitting because I see an unjustice committed agianst me as an individual, and I wont stand for it. As an added note, none of these players are alts, they are all Something Awful goons who came here to have a good time, play the game as anyone else would, and sometimes do fake protests (such as the mime protest). They are not here to grief, but thats what people seem to think upon seeing them appear. Ill repost this, originally posted by Masa, the leader of W-hat.



As you can see, griefers are not tolerated even within w-hat. Try to remember that please before making accusations. Nolan, I hope you know I respect you, I am simply trying to clarify that.

I'll protest. I'm at the moment busy making a "free ryen" sign to put on my land.

Heh - I step away from the forums for a few hours... I can't believe this thread got this much action.

Let me tell you how I feel about all this, honestly:

After reading everyone's posts - I'm convinced personally that your original plan was hatched with no malicious intent. For that, I can laugh & say - The point of it was kinda funny. I mean - c'mon - a mime protest? how can you not laugh

I think what happened, was that you guys planned a harmless joke, but tempers flared when it went downhill. Whoever neg rated who first, really is irrelevant. If someone from your group truly got negative rated first, they should have stopped and said "Hey - why did you neg rate me?"... instead it blew up into a neg rate frenzy. No one knows who's negative rating who - so it appeared at the time that everyone in sight was getting a neg rate when the complaints started rolling in.

With 20/20 hindsight - If you guys would have IMed me & prepped me that you were coming - then go thru your routine once you got there - not only would have nothing gone wrong, but the crowd would have loved you guys & begged you to come back. I recognize that would have probably spoiled the fun of it - but without communicating, you're running the risk of being misinterpreted.

Unfortunately, due to the current grief climate in SL, I *have* to be vigilant about griefers. Because you guys wern't speaking, the crowd had no way of knowing what your intent was. It was so easy for communication to spiral out of control, because well, mimes don't communicate. From our vantage point - it really did *look* to us like you guys were attacking the fox. It came across as more of a threat than a joke - and there was no way we could have known otherwise because your intent wasn't being verbalized. Once the negative rates began, and the fox complained of being pushed - the assumption is made that the strange mob of mimes is responsible. (I can't believe I'm actually using mimes in a sentence).

I didn't negative rate or file an abuse report on any of the folks involved. I'm certain that many of my guests did file, however. The action I took was first to eject the mimes, then - contact a Linden for assistance after the sim crashed, report that my customers were complaining of mass negative rates, and that I had received one myself. Given the situation, and not knowing any of the mimes personally, I still feel it was appropriate given the information I had to work with at the time. I still don't understand why the sim crashed if you guys werent behind it - but could it have simply been the buggy 1.5 client, possibly. Could it have been a rogue member of your group you didn't realize and thought s/he'd be funny, possibly too.

I'm the landowner - and I run the place not to be like other clubs - If you check us out for any reasonable amount of time you'll find we're really nice people - and really friendly to those that come in. We don't have dancers, no sex rooms. We're just a hang-out spot that plays 80s music.

If my customers complain about something *its my job* to do something about it - because we're supposed to be 'a shelter'. If there's time, I'll talk to the offending person first - sometimes its just a misunderstanding. There's other times where I don't have the luxury of doing that - especially when things are moving fast. Even so, I did IM you to find out why this happened, however its possible you yourself were too caught up in your own fire to be able to respond to me.

I don't take any of what happened personally. I really wish I would have been in on the joke from the beginning - It would have been a lot of fun. It sucks you got suspended for a week, Ryen - but in the grand scheme of things its a trivial amount of time. Move on & get something out of it. If you plan another prank like this, recognize the grief climate in SL atm, and be sensitive to it. If you're truly not a griefer, you've got nothing to worry about short of preventing misunderstandings.

Good Luck!

Travis

Well Lars, at least you have a sense of humor.....
I can see the problem you were in. But still.... FREE RYEN!!! IF YOU'RE WITH ME PUT IT IN YOUR SIG!!!MASS PROTEST!!!

I hate cookies - typed that whole thing on his computer and realized Lars was logged in after I sent. The post above under Lars was mine - hes not nearly as verbose as I am.

Travis

I've made a thread to free Ryen. Please sign it if you feel the same way!!!

Lars/Travis,

<<With 20/20 hindsight - If you guys would have IMed me & prepped me that you were coming - then go thru your routine once you got there - not only would have nothing gone wrong, but the crowd would have loved you guys & begged you to come back. I recognize that would have probably spoiled the fun of it - but without communicating, you're running the risk of being misinterpreted.>>

Yes, and really, that is all that needs to be said.

Treat this as a valuable lesson learned, Ryen.

Actually asshat, there isnt one SA member who has given SL bad reviews. The average GAME review is "THIS IS AWESOME" and the like aside from the one dork who thought he could play with a subpar computer/connection. The bad reviews are all on customer service and whiney playerbase.

SA game forum influences alot of people



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And that is only on the public games forum, you should see the private games forum thread.

I was a mime, I was neg rated while I was there and it didnt bother me. I seriously doubt any of our crew that was there was behind crashing your sim as most of us it was the first time out of W-hat HQ.

After we got kicked out I switched into some regular clothes and headed back to your establishment, looked like people were having fun and im interested in meeting new people. I was bummed out to find I was banned and was heading back to HQ when I was kicked.

This "hogwash" could be put to rest permanently if disciplinary actions and the reasons for them were made public. Open up the system so we can see how it works and (1) we won't have doubts and (2) we'll have an idea of what the precedents are so we can behave accordingly.

Until something like that happens, many people will continue to have doubts.

Thank you, Silly. That explained a lot unfortunately. *sigh*

It seems that this was the type of misunderstanding that happens all the time on "teh internets" and no one is really being too much of an asshat about it.

Unfortunately, the climate of griefing, which has been on the rise even since I started, has:
1. Made long time players very wary of newbs.
2. Made all the "serious" SL people way way too sensitive.
3. Created a "chilling effect" over SL where humor is attenuated.

As far as SA goes, I know they are pretty mean to furries, and that's not good.

On the other hand, they seem like nice folks in other ways.

The "centipedes" billboard (in Baku -it's next to the poker casino) certainly made my day and cheered me up when some RL shite had gotten me down.

So I think there's just a storm of over-reaction on both "sides" here.

I wish we could do something to throttle griefing without the other pernicious social effects that seem to be taking hold.

(perhaps allowing owners to turn off or limit ApplyImpulse on their land, or something like that)

I mean, to sum up, I certainly wouldn't want all of SL to look like W-Hat, but I'm glad it exists and is able to exist. And I hope that there's room for all kinds of whacky hijinks here, without it becoming destructive or malicious.

I am sorry for you guys if this incident was meant to be just some harmless fun. But, I for one find that hard to believe. Why? Because previous incursions into SL by other SA goons have completely destroyed SAs rep here. Thus, I find that I wouldn't believe ANY goon to be innocent of ANY charges of harrassment of any kind. In my mind SA Goon is synomomous with griefer. You can thank your predecessors for that impression. You can be the sweetest person in the world, but if you are a goon you are an asshat in my book. (Well, with the exception of Torley, who has PROVEN she is the sweetest person in the world). So all you whining goons who are threatening a mass exodus feel free to leave. I will even help you pack!

...

Point the first:

You know, I have tried to restrain myself from indulging in personal attacks in this thread, but it's becoming difficult, so forgive me if I become insulting, it's not my intent, I am simply trying to point out the gigantic holes in your logic.

When I'm making a statement about a given group of people, I find it useful to switch words around to see if I'm sounding retarded. For the sake of brevity, I'll condense your above paragraph:

I have previous experience with SA Goons doing things I do not like, therefore I assume all SA goons will do things I do not like.

I think that's about it, really. Sure, there are more specifics, but that's the gist. Let's replace parts of the sentence:

I have previous experience with SA Goons stealing my television, therefore I assume all SA Goons will steal my television.

Same concept, different specifics. Further changes:

I have previous experience with black people stealing my television, therefore I assume all black people will steal my television.

WHOA WHOA BACK THE HELL UP

If in five hops or less, I can convert anything I say to 'that there black man just done stole mah panasonic!' I tend not to say it, simply because I expect someone will pick it apart and find the logic hole.

This is an extreme example, and before you say it, no, I am not accusing you of racism. I'm pointing out the flaw in your judgement vis a vis generalizations. A flaw which is made even more hilarious given your choice of signatures.

Point the second:

Yeah, the furry hatred thing is a little out of hand. Hell, it's worse on the forums, much to my dismay. It's getting old. There was a reason for it back in the day, but now it's just a retarded gimmick that's WELL past its prime. In fact, were you to travel to HQ yourself (it's in Baku, as you surely know), you'd see a rather large sign from one of the W-Hat officers admonishing the simps among us to knock it off with the furry hate.

Coda:

Cromulence, I think you have the right idea. Without the punishment system being 'open', it lends itself very well to conspiracy theory. Names of the reporters aren't necessary, I think simply a list of 'X player was given Y penalty for Z activity' - or even simply 'A player was given X penalty for Y activity' to make it anonymous on both sides. This would accomplish several things: It would clarify whether or not a given activity is punishable, and if so, what the punishment generally is. Furthermore, it would serve as a discouragement of hijinks - if you only hear about one or two bannings for acting like a jerk, you're more likely to act like a jerk than if you're staring at a list of 200 a day or whatever the figure happens to be. I feel that it would not only lay to rest the questions of injustice on the part of the administrators, but also discourage punishable behaviour.

*Chains down his TV, and peeks out the window to see if any goons are around.*

I for one, find all blacks to cheat on their taxes because I once knew a couple of blacks who cheated on their taxes. All white people like to hump watermelons, because I knew two white kids who thought humping watermelons was funny. I think that all gay people like to kick dogs because I once saw a gay person kick a dog. I think that all Jews are well known to pinch old ladies asses because I once saw a Jewish guy pinch an old ladies ass. Oh, and all muslims are terrorists. I always call the FBI when I see a Muslim woman shopping in Rite Aid, now doubt for medicine she can turn into nuclear weapons. Also all furries rape babies. I never met a furry, but I heard that on a message board somewhere, so it must be true.

Oh wait, I know one lesbian who doesn't kick dogs. But she is the exception who therefore proves the rule.

It's not my own idiocy that made me draw these narrowminded conclusions, it's the fault of the few people I met or other people met who proved my beliefs right.

Stereotyping is definitely the best way to live. It's COMPLETELY justifiable and is such a smart way to assess people's values.

I'm not my own person, after all. None of us are. We're all just walking, talking categories, right?

EDIT: Should have read Teddy's post first. He said it more eloquently than I ever could. And to think he's such a crappy senator.

Sorry, but this kind of stereotyping obviously only works when talking about SA Goons. Because only griefers belong to that site.

You win at the Internet.

I always do.