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Cromulence DeGroot
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Join date: 13 Sep 2004
Posts: 135
12-27-2004 12:25
From: Patrick Playfair
Your groups activities caused many of my customers to leave, and my sim crashing while your members were there (some brandishing guns and explosives) was not coincidental IMHO. Also, C4 packages belonging to a member of your group were found under the floor after the crash. I have not reported these incidents, but should they occur again, i will report the whole group. If you have any class, I'd leave that group of losers.


Well, sir, your libelous, unsubstantiated allegations and your threat to falsely report me for the actions of others have been reported.
Patrick Playfair
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Join date: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 328
12-27-2004 12:27
From: Cromulence DeGroot
Well, sir, your libelous, unsubstantiated allegations and your threat to falsely report me for the actions of others have been reported.


FALSE? I have about 18 customers who were there, and the bombs in question had the name of one of your members ALL OVER them. I HOPE you do report me, then the Lindens can drag out the logs and tell us how you are crashing sims.

Report me.. PLEASE!
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Devlin Gallant
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Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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12-27-2004 12:28
Oh, I thought you were serious about all this, Crom. Obviously you aren't. Please, tell me you aren't. I can't tell! Wait, yes I can. NOBODY, could be THAT lame.
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Bakuzelas Khan
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Join date: 16 Mar 2004
Posts: 129
12-27-2004 12:34
From: Lisse Livingston
Dang it, it was explained a long time back in several of these threads, but yes - during the months I lived over the road from the HQ in Baku, I was griefed on several occasions by both Masa and Bakuzelas (the officers, right?), we exchanged negative ratings and abuse reports, I was banned from the property (probably still am), Bakuzelas' RLSO explained to me that their sense of humor was different but not condemnable, we hugged and made up, Bakuzelas became a close friend over the time we spent in Live Help, and I moved away.

Yes, I was griefed. Yes, I got over it. No, I hold no current grudges against anyone in the group. But the question was - "has anyone been griefed by a current member" and the answer, in my case, is yes. Being pushed off the edge of the Sim while AFK right next to my own land (on the Linden-owned road) is griefing.


The way I remember it, you made/sold houses & you were afk, so I pushed you a little because for older players pushing is hugging since there were no animations in the past. You didn't come back but I kept bumping you slowly. I waited for you to return because I wanted to buy a house.

You sold me a house, I bought everything in it. If buying your products is griefing, then you have a strange way of looking at things.

You neg rated me, which I don't even know why, so I replied "WHY YOU NEG RATE :(?" or something & rated you back because why not, right? And then you took them off so I would remove yours. Was some kind of strange SL blackmail.

Editted to add a new phrase: WHY YOU LIE :(???

That's also why I stopped hanging around you, you seemed super-sensitive.
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Masakazu Kojima
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Join date: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 232
12-27-2004 12:47
From: Patrick Playfair
I promise that I will file abuse charges against every single member of that group, as will many of my regular customers.

Please do. I would love to see the outcome.
Lisse Livingston
Mentor/Instructor/Greeter
Join date: 16 May 2004
Posts: 1,130
12-27-2004 12:52
From: Bakuzelas Khan
The way I remember it, you made/sold houses & you were afk, so I pushed you a little because for older players pushing is hugging since there were no animations in the past. You didn't come back but I kept bumping you slowly. I waited for you to return because I wanted to buy a house.

You sold me a house, I bought everything in it. If buying your products is griefing, then you have a strange way of looking at things.


No, it was Masa who pushed me. And it was Whisper Lily you bought the house from - we lived next to each other, and both sold houses. You never pushed me. In fact, I remember you telling Masa she shouldn't have pushed me.

From: someone
You neg rated me, which I don't even know why, so I replied "WHY YOU NEG RATE :(?" or something & rated you back because why not, right? And then you took them off so I would remove yours. Was some kind of strange SL blackmail.


The neg ratings were due to the mangled cows and sewage outlets within view of my house. I removed the ratings because your girlfriend explained that you and your friends had a strange sense of humor, but were actually really nice people (and you are!) and it was her suggestion that we mutually remove the ratings and make up. I was not the only neighbor neg rating you for those items, I know.

From: someone
That's also why I stopped hanging around you, you seemed super-sensitive.


Yes, I freely admit I am super sensitive. It takes very little to embarass me, RL or SL. I would be uncomfortable around a SA protest in RL - though I wouldn't complain or report it. I would just remove myself from the situation. Our senses of humor are very different. But we can both exist here in SL, right?
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Bakuzelas Khan
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12-27-2004 13:00
From: Lisse Livingston
No, it was Masa who pushed me. And it was Whisper Lily you bought the house from - we lived next to each other, and both sold houses. You never pushed me. In fact, I remember you telling Masa she shouldn't have pushed me.



The neg ratings were due to the mangled cows and sewage outlets within view of my house. I removed the ratings because your girlfriend explained that you and your friends had a strange sense of humor, but were actually really nice people (and you are!) and it was her suggestion that we mutually remove the ratings and make up. I was not the only neighbor neg rating you for those items, I know.



Yes, I freely admit I am super sensitive. It takes very little to embarass me, RL or SL. I would be uncomfortable around a SA protest in RL - though I wouldn't complain or report it. I would just remove myself from the situation. Our senses of humor are very different. But we can both exist here in SL, right?


You're right about Whisper, it was Whisper. I never got neg rated badly for the builds tho, yours was the only one. I don'tknow about Masa pushing but it doesn't sound like Masa to me, I don't think she would push in a hostile way.

Maybe I misjudged you, you make a really good point, Lisse. People can just remove themselves from the area, or have the people they don't like banned from their land. That's what I do myself. <3

I guess you didn't lie, I was mixed up! Sorry, Lisse.
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Wall Street
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Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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12-27-2004 13:04
Dude, I'm with you!! Down with the man!! Hasten the day Grimmy Moonflower returns!!!
Masakazu Kojima
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Join date: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 232
12-27-2004 13:04
From: Lisse Livingston
No, it was Masa who pushed me. And it was Whisper Lily you bought the house from - we lived next to each other, and both sold houses. You never pushed me. In fact, I remember you telling Masa she shouldn't have pushed me.
Good thing you weren't AFK, you might have missed what was really happening and made incorrect guesses based on the chat log.
Bakuzelas Khan
Me
Join date: 16 Mar 2004
Posts: 129
12-27-2004 13:06
From: Masakazu Kojima
Good thing you weren't AFK, you might have missed what was really happening and made incorrect guesses based on the chat log.

Uh, yeah, um it was probably still m e that pushed you. :blush:
I was kinda into pushing girls for awhile there. ;)
I might have been teasing Masa, I joke that way sometimes.
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Cromulence DeGroot
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Join date: 13 Sep 2004
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12-27-2004 14:54
From: Patrick Playfair
FALSE? I have about 18 customers who were there, and the bombs in question had the name of one of your members ALL OVER them. I HOPE you do report me, then the Lindens can drag out the logs and tell us how you are crashing sims.

Report me.. PLEASE!


I said I already did.

Now you are publicly accusing me of crashing sims. So yes, let's have the Lindens pull the logs so you can publicly apologize to me for this nasty bit of slander.

Also, if someone griefs you, you should report them. If someone from AFKers or any other group I am a member of did something against TOS then I want them to be punished for it just as much as you do, and if they left "bombs" all over your establishment then it should be a slam dunk to ban them. Failing to report them and getting on the forums to smear a group they happen to belong to instead just makes you look like a whiney little retard.

And hey, if this results in some real griefers getting banned then that's fine with me, whether they're members of AFKers or not! I guess it just took a real man to do what you should have done all along.
Patrick Playfair
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Join date: 19 Jul 2004
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12-27-2004 15:01
From: Cromulence DeGroot
I said I already did.

Failing to report them and getting on the forums to smear a group they happen to belong to instead just makes you look like a whiney little retard.

And hey, if this results in some real griefers getting banned then that's fine with me, whether they're members of AFKers or not! I guess it just took a real man to do what you should have done all along.


Well, at least I haven't resorted to name calling. I thought it would be better to discuss it here in a civil fashion than to go and have you all banned without a chance to voice your side of the story. I have publicly acknowledged, in here, that some of your members make you all look bad. There are also some I have much respect for. Any respect I had for you is waning quickly with the whiney retard remark. it is you who are whining, I just stated the facts as I saw them, and I will not apologize for that.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-27-2004 15:26
From: someone
And so it goes, as it always has, and probably always will, two or more people beating each other up rhetorically, then pleading for a company moderator, to intercede. I've come to think that fights like these aren't necessarily a drawback in online games, but an appealing feature to them. For many people, in other words, getting into artificial but emotionally heated interpersonal conflicts like these is the object of the game. Some folks come online to fight orcs or tangle with space mercenaries; others come on, and consciously or not, go looking for battles that aren't fought with swords or death rays, but angry words, and maybe a little griefing.


Posted by Wagner James Au 1:13 PM July 24, 2003
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Cromulence DeGroot
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Join date: 13 Sep 2004
Posts: 135
12-27-2004 17:15
From: Patrick Playfair
Any respect I had for you is waning quickly

I win.
Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 944
12-27-2004 17:30
I'm glad we're playing sports now and people are winning or losing. But.. oh.. wait.. whose team has the most players on the bench right now.. hm..
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Lisse Livingston
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Join date: 16 May 2004
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12-27-2004 17:36
From: Cromulence DeGroot
I win.


You only win when someone else says you win. Self-judgement doesn't count.
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Devlin Gallant
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Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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12-28-2004 04:03
Hmm, can it be considered a personal attack if I call someone an asshat when it's TRUE?
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Candy Bijoux
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Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 130
12-28-2004 04:46
And so it goes, as it always has, and probably always will, two or more people beating each other up rhetorically, then pleading for a company moderator, to intercede. I've come to think that fights like these aren't necessarily a drawback in online games, but an appealing feature to them. For many people, in other words, getting into artificial but emotionally heated interpersonal conflicts like these is the object of the game. Some folks come online to fight orcs or tangle with space mercenaries; others come on, and consciously or not, go looking for battles that aren't fought with swords or death rays, but angry words, and maybe a little griefing.

Posted by Wagner James Au 1:13 PM July 24, 2003

And I thought this was a Mature Game.
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12-28-2004 08:02
Mimes...with blank signs....that's classic! ROTFL!
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