Atheists who attack Christianity
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Kevn Klein
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07-25-2006 06:58
From: SeXXXy Bliss I really don't see your point Kevin on this thread...this is a 'free' country or did you forget? We are free to decide for ourselves what religion we choose to follow/believe no matter what religion that may be.
It just really aggravates me when people start whining about religious attacks on them. If your faith is strong no attack will harm nor bother you. It is when you start having questions about your faith that you fall victim to them....think about it.
Christianity is NOT the only religion in the world, and please make note that I am NOT bashing anyone for making it their choice. It's just that I am sick and tired of people being so closed minded about things they just don't understand instead of asking questions and learning something.
Being a Wiccan myself I have been bashed for being a satanist, athiest, etc....none of which fit my beliefs. But when I am 'bashed' for my religion I just ignore the ignorance, I don't make a scene of it, nor do I start a 'posting' war to try and justify my beliefs. Having faith in your beliefs, no matter what those beliefs are, will persevere over anything!
Many people have different beliefs, that's what makes this world so interesting. Just think of a world with everyone thinking, doing, wearing, eating and believing the same thing as the next human being.....BORING!
Oh, now for what I really started this post for....
Baptism is in many religions, not just Christianity. In my religion it's called 'Wiccaning'...and it's performed much like it is in yours and for mostly the same reasons. It's a beautiful ceremony, as is Baptism. Not much difference cept different beliefs.
Now, can we all live in peace and harmony and get along with each other. I mean we all have one thing in common, we are all human beings living on the same planet...that should account for something!
Blessings,
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SeXXXy Bliss
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Ahhhhh...
07-25-2006 07:05
Now that totally changed my perception of you Kevin....*hugs you tight*!
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 07:46
hehe, I didn't think my comment would spawn pages of debate about baptism. All I meant was that religious belief is learned. No one pops out of the womb believing in god. People are taught that belief by other people. Fresh out of the womb every single person on earth was a non-believer and always will be.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-25-2006 07:49
From: Chip Midnight hehe, I didn't think my comment would spawn pages of debate about baptism. All I meant was that religious belief is learned. No one pops out of the womb believing in god. People are taught that belief by other people. Fresh out of the womb every single person on earth was a non-believer and always will be. you should have known better 
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Kevn Klein
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07-25-2006 07:51
From: Chip Midnight hehe, I didn't think my comment would spawn pages of debate about baptism. All I meant was that religious belief is learned. No one pops out of the womb believing in god. People are taught that belief by other people. Fresh out of the womb every single person on earth was a non-believer and always will be. I disagree. I think non-belief is learned. That babies are closest to God and communicate with Angels. Since neither one of us can prove which is true, we have our faith to guide us. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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07-25-2006 08:10
From: Kevn Klein babies are closest to God and communicate with Angels. I'm gonna hurl. |
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-25-2006 08:19
Angel: "Psst."
Baby: "Goo?"
Angel: "I've got this GREAT idea! Take off your diaper and SMEAR the poo ALL OVER mommy's favorite lounge chair!"
Baby: "Babababa!"
Baby: <smears>
Angel: <cackles wickedly and fades away, leaving baby to take the fall>
One of the few memories I have from before, uhm, about age six is my mother "praying" over me, and when I asked her to explain (I was three), she explained the concept of an omnipresent God, monotheism, et al.
My response was to giggle and say "oh mom, that's SO silly".
Learned? No.
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Olympia Rebus
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07-25-2006 08:20
From: Kevn Klein I disagree. I think non-belief is learned. That babies are closest to God and communicate with Angels. Since neither one of us can prove which is true, we have our faith to guide us. Is this satirical? |
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-25-2006 08:22
From: Olympia Rebus Is this satirical? You wish. 
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Joy Honey
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07-25-2006 08:23
When I was three years old, I asked my mother if there was a Santa Claus. She told me there wasn't. I said "oh" and went on my merry way. But it's funny, a lot of little kids believe in Santa Claus... are they born believing in Santa Claus?
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Mina Christensen
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07-25-2006 08:23
From: Kevn Klein 1. You, the one making the claim, must provide evidence for your hypothesis before requiring any falsification.
2. Which religions baptise babies besides the Catholics? Most non-Catholic Christians believe one must choose to be baptized, and babies can't choose. Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists at least and perhaps others. In fact if you group non-Catholics into Evangelical and non-Evangelical, one might say it's only the evangelicals that don't baptize infants. The traditional sects, that is, the ones derived, more or less loosely, from Catholicism, all do. |
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 08:30
If disbelief had to be learned and belief in god was a quality we were born with then everyone would be the same religion and there'd be no need to spread the "good news." 
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Finning Widget
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07-25-2006 08:34
From: Kevn Klein 1. You, the one making the claim, must provide evidence for your hypothesis before requiring any falsification.
2. Which religions baptise babies besides the Catholics? Most non-Catholic Christians believe one must choose to be baptized, and babies can't choose. The one making the extraordinary claim is the one who bears the burden of proof. Your claim is extraordinary. You bear the burden of proof. That. Simple. |
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07-25-2006 08:35
From: Kevn Klein "An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will" Lying to others is harming them. |
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Kevn Klein
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07-25-2006 08:44
From: Chip Midnight If disbelief had to be learned and belief in god was a quality we were born with then everyone would be the same religion and there'd be no need to spread the "good news." If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? |
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Joy Honey
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07-25-2006 08:47
From: Kevn Klein If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? Indoctrination?
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Cindy Claveau
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07-25-2006 08:47
From: Kevn Klein If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? Say it with me, Kevn, "Cultural pressure". See? It's easy peasy. (EDIT) Let me expand on this a moment. There is an excellent book available titled Why God Won't Go Away (by Md Newberg, Eugene G. D'Aquili, and Vince Rause). It details studies done on the nature of belief and worship ritual. The authors found that rituals tend to have a pleasant effect on brain chemistry and wonder aloud whether belief hasn't been an evolutionary outcome (kind of a sub-set of our need for community in our quest for species survival). So to further address your question, the point could be made that believing and worshipping make humans feel good and respond to basic brain wiring in positive ways. It doesn't mean there's a God who made it that way, though that could be argued, it just means that belief is partly hard-wired into the human animal. |
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 08:48
From: Kevn Klein If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? Behold the power of peer pressure. Also, disbelief doesn't come with any door prizes.
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07-25-2006 08:55
From: Kevn Klein If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? Yeah, see, there's this place called China - it has billions of adult humans, and all the Christians there are a direct result of missionary conversion within the past four generations. None of /them/ were born believing in your deity. "So Few" atheist adults? Like, your entire world is the southern stretch of the United States, huh? Ever been to Europe? Thought of Europe? Japan? The countries in the world today with the best human rights records and highest quality of life index have very high atheist populations - where people can actually say in public "I am atheist" and not fear ending up chopped up in someone's boot (trunk), not be illegally removed from public office, not fear losing their jobs and housing and not have to fight grossly unjust legal battles to get their children a fair education. There are plenty of adult atheists. Just because you have had a cultural pogrom in your geographical area to deny them the right to marry, have children, vote, hold citizenship, get an education - in short, artificial pressures to select against them - is not an indicator of the strength of your argument. |
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Mina Christensen
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07-25-2006 08:56
From: Kevn Klein If disbelief is the default, why are there so few atheist adults? I'd say that there is in human beings a predeliction to want answers about basic quiestions of life. Strong cultural forces have been in place for literally thousands of years that attempt to answer those questions. Those forces—and they could be called loosely religions of the world—almost without exception, believe they provide an answer to said questions and seek to pass on those answers—generally with good intentions, but sometimes not—to others around them. Also, they almost without exception, have a concern about things after death, which informs the passing on of the answers with a certain urgency. The atheistic stance—any atheist chime in here if I get this wrong—carries no real concern about the state of affairs beyond death, and so most urgency about passing on the belief is removed. Just a idea...  |
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 09:00
From: Mina Christensen The atheistic stance—any atheist chime in here if I get this wrong—carries no real concern about the state of affairs beyond death, and so most urgency about passing on the belief is removed. I'm not sure there's any singular atheistic stance, but a safe generalization would probably be that most atheists don't think there's anything after death so they put their emphasis on enjoying the one life we know we get. Also, to go back to why there are so few adult atheists...
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Kevn Klein
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07-25-2006 09:00
From: Chip Midnight Behold the power of peer pressure. Also, disbelief doesn't come with any door prizes. Peer pressure from an animal that is atheist by default? Makes no sense. The door prize for an atheist is the freedom to do anything without regard to an ultimate authority who can see ones every move. Most atheists are drawn to that faith because of the freedom imho. |
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 09:14
From: Kevn Klein Peer pressure from an animal that is atheist by default? Makes no sense. When parents teach children from birth that they'll burn in hell for eternity if they don't conform to religious thought it's quite an effective motivator, though in your case I suspect you were dropped on your head.
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Finning Widget
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07-25-2006 09:17
From: Kevn Klein Peer pressure from an animal that is atheist by default? Makes no sense.
The door prize for an atheist is the freedom to do anything without regard to an ultimate authority who can see ones every move. Most atheists are drawn to the that faith because of the freedom imho. The door prize for an atheist is not having to lie to one's self nor others about invisible, imaginary beings. Also, again - and you've been told before - atheism is not a faith. I know my every move. I know my thoughts. I have to live with myself, and I like morality and upstandingness - life is so much simpler when I don't have to ignore or hate parts of myself. I am also beholden to the law of the land, whether or not I am being watched or are likely to get caught. Gee - Freedom - that thing that America is supposed to stand for. |
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Kevn Klein
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07-25-2006 09:18
From: Chip Midnight ..... most atheists don't think there's anything after death so they put their emphasis on enjoying the one life we know we get.
..... You make my point well. Atheists are in it for the benefit of doing their own thing. That's the door prize. |
