Atheists who attack Christianity

well, there were too many well thought out and original posts from people who used what is called a brain... then your lip and swallow post came along... was a reality check... not everyone has one of those.

Explanation enough?

Good lord, did someone just call me anti-semitic? Where on earth do that one come from? Here was me thinking I was taking part in a discussion...If you disagree with my point, then by all means make a response, but don't use anti-semitism as your weapon, as it merely highlights you haven't been paying attention to a word I've been saying.

Bashing over over the head with a bible is a "figure of speech" for imposing ones belief in the Bible. In case you didn't get it.

Which Christian laws are you talking about? The law against murder? Well, that a Jewish law.

I'll wait for your explanation.

Good lord, did someone just call me anti-semitic? Where on earth do that one come from? Here was me thinking I was taking part in a discussion...If you disagree with my point, then by all means make a response, but don't use anti-semitism as your weapon, as it merely highlights you haven't been paying attention to a word I've been saying.

no, seriously you talk about well thought out posts and all, yet you haven't posted one yourself? All I have seen from you is the ramblings of a bitter, piss everybody off little child. So when you care to add a post without showing your emotional baggage and want to stick to just facts, feel free to post them. Your generalizations about the Christian beliefs are appalling.

Murder has been against forms of law even outside judeo christian belief systems and that of judaism... marriage laws, a right of women to choose, you know, the stuff you had said in your first response to me as being, what was that, bigoted or something along those lines... hahaha.

I am curious as too how you arrived at that assumption.
I have read the Bible a few times, and haven't really noticed that yet...


Anyway, as a Christian, I have no problem with Atheists, there are many that are good, moral, intelligent people.
I do have a problem when for whatever reason, an Atheist or someone claiming too be one, decides that they must crusade (ironicly) for the removal of all religious, spiritual, or faith based influences in society and culture.
If it is being pressed on you (like an evangelist who won't let up on trying too convert you, for example) then you have a right to say that you don't want what they are offering.
But, again as an example, if a kid is wearing a cross too school, or a Burka, or similar apparel related to a faith, and you then bug out about religious influences being forced upon someone, you may just be overreacting.

It is entirely up too the individual to accept, deny, or ignore Religion, and God.
But I do take issue with those who would destroy it, out of vendetta, hate, fear, or misguided doctrine, just as I am opposed too those who would destroy a person's right too choose what they believe or disbelieve.


One last thing.
There are those who claim to be a thing, and those that are that thing.
An action carried out in the Name of God should not be confused with an action done in the Spirit of the Teachings of Christ.
Just because they do it, doesn't mean that God approves.
Think about how many wars and atrocities were done in the name of a Nation, or Political Party, or any group of people.
Those names, of groups, nations, or political parties, were convient covers for those horrible acts.

I'll shut up now...

Have you noticed it's PC to be anti-Christian, but boy if the anti-semitic term is applied poopy hits the fan. Actually I wouldn't refer to you as anti-semitic because you are against the Jewish faith. I was making the point that you are complaining about the Jewish faith and their Torah. Christians follow Christ's teachings.

Which religion sanctions the killing of children in the womb, which religions sanction same sex marriage? I guess your point is no religion supports gay marriage or the killing of a fetus as a form of birth control.

WHAT??? You lost me on this one... my point is that abortion, not killing a child, is based on a so-called moral value held by christians... banning gay marriage is based on a so-called moral value held by christians (I am speaking as a citizen of the US not anywhere else... people outside the US can speak for themselves). Making those laws to fit everyone is imposing ones belief...

I have offered plenty and have had been responded t in kind... apparently, looking in the mirror isn't something you are willing to do. And are you saying that there are different kinds of christians? To generalize something is to put it all in one complete package... and my bitterness, yes, I wear it proudly... I am bitter... as long as churches get bigger and people are starving in the streets, I will be bitter... as long as two people are denied the rights that others have based on life style, I will be bitter... you bet I am bitter!!! Give me one reason why I shouldn't be...

Have you noticed it's PC to be anti-Christian, but boy if the anti-semitic term is applied poopy hits the fan. Actually I wouldn't refer to you as anti-semitic because you are against the Jewish faith. I was making the point that you are complaining about the Jewish faith and their Torah. Christians follow Christ's teachings.

Dunno, Kevn, I have to admire the Jews for sticking with their god even though he's a right bastard. You don't know how many Jewish people find that statement amusing.

From reading the works of modern rabbis, I have found that Jewish people accept the bad things about Jehovah pretty easily. Their concerns seem to be how to follow the laws the best they can, not blind devotion to their god.

Point out how Jesus killed the fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season and how Jesus said that he was going to turn families against one another; and xians howl in pain.

But isn't the god of the Torah the same god as the Chirstian Old Testament? Or are the xians worshipping a triple godhead and calling it monotheism?

the Jewish faith accepts these things but I don't hear anyone complaining about that religion as if it's evil. I believe for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic.

It's because the Jewish faith isn't evangelical and Jews don't go out of their way to try and force their beliefs on others.

Have you seen a single Christian forcing their beliefs on you?

Do you live on mars? Bush just stifled scientific progress by vetoing the stem cell research bill. Congress wants to ammend the constitution to deny basic civil rights to gays. School children are pressured intd pledging allegiance to the Christian god every morning. And on and on and on.

Whilst Jesus does indeed say very little about bashing people over the head with rocks...

Have you seen a single Christian forcing their beliefs on you?

The fact God allowed suffering doesn't bother me, as the NT Bible tells us suffering is a good thing.

I'll give you a few specific examples of my own...

1. On my way in to a convenient store, I get approached by a young man in a shirt and tie who asks me if I go to church. "No, I'm an atheist" I reply and continue walking. He then follows me inside and pesters me as I try to use the ATM machine, and suggests that I should give him my money stamped "In God We Trust" since I was a non-believer, and tells me I'm going to burn in hell.

2. On a job interview, one for which I was recruited and highly qualified for:

Interviewer: "Have you accepted Christ into your heart?"

Me: "No, I'm an atheist"

Interviewer: "That's too bad, we're really a Christian company. You might have a hard time fitting in with the corporate culture here."

I never heard back from them.

3. My wife's sister in law caused much family drama when we got engaged, refusing to attend our wedding and even going so far as to send us a long letter explaining why she did not approve of our marriage and would pray for our souls because we were not getting married in a christian church. She suggested that we might not be welcome in her home if we didn't change our minds.

I could go on and on and I'm sure many atheists could share similar stories.

Kevin, Atheists do not make a practice of attacking Christianity, we make a practice of defending our right to believe as we do (and your's), and defending the constitution's separation of church and state clause to prevent our nation from slipping from a constitutional democracy into a theocracy.

If the Christian Right had it's way we would live in a Church ruled state, simple as that.

Then tell him that he cannot have money with "god" written on it and leave your now slack jawed xian mugger to wrap his brains around that one.

If you look at the websites of rabbis, you'll notice that they write "g-d" not "god", that's because to write god's name and destroy it violates the taking god's name in vain commandment. Don't believe me, ask them.

I have the response to the xian mugging ploy. Just ask his if god approves of taking his name in vain. Then prompt him on the contents of the ten commandments because likely as not your xian mugger will not know that taking god's name in vain is one of the big no nos. After you've educated your xian mugger on his own holy writ, point out that as a xian he should be against having "god" on paper and metal money that will eventually be shredded and melted down eventually thus taking god's name in vain.

Then tell him that he cannot have money with "god" written on it and leave your now slack jawed xian mugger to wrap his brains around that one.

If you look at the websites of rabbis, you'll notice that they write "g-d" not "god", that's because to write god's name and destroy it violates the taking god's name in vain commandment. Don't believe me, ask them.

Jeez, that is so illegal! But the fact that the interviewer had the gall to ask shows that he feels pretty safe from our current govt.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to enter her home in such circumstances.