Atheists who attack Christianity

And unfortunately, texts refer not only to heaven being ultimately for one faith, but give a strict limit on its population, so it's highly likely that it's already full. I wonder if they have some kind of shanty-town system...

True.. but myself, I think that I will remain on earth until I get my purpose fulfilled. Rather I am human, animal or insect. Until I get it right, I will be back.. yes I refer to reincarnation. Then hopefully I will be allowed rest once I am done.

Kevin... your turn to show me something... I am not sure why I am responding to you as I said I wouldn't but this is a post that proves my point... show me where I have said the bible says anything about bashing people into submission... apologetic christianity, I will call you on it everytime...

Curious about this... I have spent years studying the bible and have not found any teaching on the subject of free will... could you please give me some information via the bible on this teaching? Serious question... it is just an amazing concept considering...

Well, if jesus was god in human form... once could indeed say that he bashed people into submission...

The bible does have many references to the killing of LOTS of babies by god. That and animal sacrafices. In fact, in leviticus, it talks about how the "smell was savory unto the lord". Savory even!

Dude wants to know why we atheists attack christians. Simple. Easy beatings. Thats right. Alot of people that go to church are old and they make for good muggings. Plus, do you know how much cash these people generally carry around! I mean, last week I got sum old lady for like 200 dollars, she said she was giving it to the church! So I really scored big, not only did I get the christian, I also got God's money, and thats sweet.

There is Billy suggesting Christians are trying to IMPOSE their faith. Too funny.

I'll get you some passages, but I don't have anything right off the top of my head.

But the basic reasoning is that since God created us in God's image, we were given Free Will, so that we can grow and come too understand and delight in Creation.
Without Free Will, Humans become automatons.
With our ability too choose, it makes the choice of Loving God, and our fellow Brothers and Sisters, real, for lack of a better word.

Whilst Jesus does indeed say very little about bashing people over the head with rocks, the eminently more irritable old testament chap proclaims himself to be jealous, wrathful and vengeful. Mr Yahweh frequently demonstrates destructive tendencies throughout the good old book, and in this highly fuelled religious debate I hardly need to identify them. Why, prithee, did He not wipe the dust from his feet and move on?

Imposing and bashing, once again Kevin, are two different things. I recommend you go to http://www.hop.com before posting anymore. You are making it difficult to try and see some intelligent thought within the christian movement... almost destroying some of the respect I was beginning to have for certain posts on here.

Now, to answer the point that Kevin desperately and yet failing miserably to make, when laws are enacted because of a judeo christian moral value it is an imposition on me... the list goes on but I will wait until you have completed your studies.

*just realized the problem... as an atheist, I am very literal... as a christian, Kevin has to make it up as he goes along... maybe I was too harsh... hmmm... I will think on it*

do the world a favor, pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow

Now now billy, quite the opposite. Whilst the athiests have to make it up as they go along, with reference to literal fact, the Christians have several thousands of pages worth of source material to draw upon. Don't put him down because he can't find the page reference.

Ah, then you really dislike Jews, as the Old Testament is mostly concerning the religion of the Jews. Would that mean you are antisemitic?

That is a HUGE debate in Christian Theology.
One theory goes that God was trying desperately not to have too sacrafice His Son, but that doesn't quite make sense within a New Testament understanding.
It is perhaps possible that the Old Testament attributes things too God that God didn't say or do.

Remember, folks, the Old Testament is OOOOOOOLD.
So there may be *ahem* nationalistic embelishments?
Also, Word of God through Man, and Man is falliable, so it may have gotten muddled.

I'll be sure to ask God, if I get the chance.

Thank you... if you look me up in world, I will give you my email address so that you can send me these verses.

I have just tried to find a common ground between goD being all knowing, thereby knowing your every move prior to your birth ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jeremiah something) and then knowing that he/she/it has created something that will choose a different path and then living in some sulfur pit outside Jerusalem... or hell as it were.

Gonna need some tylenol for this one I can see....

Apologetics is just that, making it up as it goes along... I would have to think that atheists just need to sit back and think about things critically rather than looks at text that has been edited to fit each generation and societal change...

and by the way, not asking for a passage from Kevin... I am asking him to not put words in my mouth, if you will... considering it is in text and almost impossible, what with copy and paste options, to misquote.

ahhh... I was starting to think that the likes of you wouldn't show up...

the likes of me? hmmm care to explain?

Point withdrawn Billy, and congrats on getting the 1000th post. I'd give you a prize, but someone's broken the universe.

I believe his point is that he was expecting a valid point in response. Let's try and keep this civil...

Bashing over over the head with a bible is a "figure of speech" for imposing ones belief in the Bible. In case you didn't get it.

Which Christian laws are you talking about? The law against murder? Well, that a Jewish law.

I'll wait for your explanation.

Well, Jeremiah is perhaps refrencing that God is outside of Time, but aware of Time as we see it.
"The life of man is a twinkling in the eye of God" Proverbs or Pslams, can't remember which.

Good lord, did someone just call me anti-semitic? Where on earth do that one come from? Here was me thinking I was taking part in a discussion...If you disagree with my point, then by all means make a response, but don't use anti-semitism as your weapon, as it merely highlights you haven't been paying attention to a word I've been saying.

well, there were too many well thought out and original posts from people who used what is called a brain... then your lip and swallow post came along... was a reality check... not everyone has one of those.

Explanation enough?

Well, its the THOUGHT that counts!