if only "SL Answers" wasn't no reply....

fixed!

If you weren't such a douchetool I might like ya. But I don't.

You are too generous..

I know stud!

And BTW.. If you look back I think you will find she very rationally and systematically explained her opinion. I also tried to do the same, but unless everyone agrees with your inaccurate assessments you don't want to hear it.. You keep whining in a public forum for a reason, that reason is you want to be told your right.. When someone comes along and points out percisely why you are wrong you want to revert to the same inaccurate de-bunked arguements that were already shot down with reason and logic.

Only two people, out of the multitude of those who commented, "pointed out" that I was wrong.

One of whom is the abuser, and the other really doesn't grasp how SL works.

So I'm pretty confident in my opinion.

And incidentally I've been emailing Torley back and forth about this and he/she also agrees that campers abuse the system and that LL wants to fix the traffic computation. So wave bye bye to that casino baby!

For the love of. Look at my posting again i've never once defended camping as it stands now. I've stated i think LL needs a regulatory system for it. However totally getting rid of it is weird and he's not ripping people off by doing that. He is working the system in his favor. Thats not cheating or ripping people off it'd be diff if he was going thru a backend to alter the protocol to raise his traffic but he isnt. There isnt a correlation your trying to make him look like a horrible person for simply running a place in SL.

How about i attack your store for just being there? Your doing the same thing really. He is running a place and using a method or a Gimmick to bring more people in. Lots of places do that. Many respectable stores have money globes and stuff like that going. I've not defended camping just the method of which you make your accusations are off base and unfounded in that context. Hell i provided you with more evidence to freaking back up your claims that its the place. I stated if you bothered reading that its likely the scripts in the camping pads.

You keep feeling the need to attack him personally and thats the problem here. Im against camping as it stands at the moment i wouldnt be against regulated camping however where it was kind of like how money tree's are. Need to be so new to use it and after that date you cant use it anymore. Also regulate how long 1 person can be on any camping chair for a day let see 5 hours max. Make rate 10L/60 mins that way max of 50L per day and make it so that one can only camp within their first like 3 weeks.
This makes it so at a max someone can only collect....... 1050L total + money they can get from the money tree's in that time.

Controlling it a bit more on the Linden end would make it less appealing to. What im proposing that instead of it being a traffic booster it become a way to actually help newbies out. I think as it stands now its jsut a traffic booster and thats the part i detest about it but i like it as a way for newbies to have a little cash here and there. I help them out myself where i can giving them clothing or what have you. I think you have your valid points and then your not so valid points. Im not on either side of the fence here im in the middle and i dont think it right to totally devoid camping as it can be a potential way to help out newbies.

I grasp how SL works i just pointed out the reasoning behind your argument itself is baseless. I never said camping was good or that people themselves arnt a problem being in a sim. I was stating however that due to the number of people in that sim there was no reason why that sim should of been unstable. I also tried to point out numerous times that there are other factors for the lag of which include things in the casino. My points would of actually helped your argument if you didnt get so defensive against them straight off. I understand perfectly how SL works but if you honestly think 10-20 people can cause that much instability in a sim then you obviously are the one that doesnt quite gather it.

There are factors in that sim that are causing lag other then Agents and Child Agents and that can be proved beyond a doubt. You could even ask torley if 20 people should cause that amount of instablity to happen. Truth is i understand traffic and the way a sim works a bit better then you. I've run servers in the past for games and managed one for a commercial game company for awhile. I know what im talking about when i state that amount of people should effect a sim without other factors in the sim as well.

You cant argue that that isnt a valid point. And it is the other factors + the sim instablity that is the main problem you then toss people into the equation and it gets out of hand but it shouldnt be in that aspect. He stated he would likely cut the pads down by 10 or so even. Yet you continue to be beligerant to the fact that he is willing to be good about it. And you havent even shot down any of my points as they are still very valid you cant prove them to be wrong. My point is your argument as to people being the cause of the camping lag is a ltitle out there. That is the problem.

I grasp alot more in SL then some people do and im not quick to say something is the cause of the problem without knowing all the facts. I know the casino is likely the main cause of the problems and it likely is the camping chair it is however not the PEOPLE in the sim that are the problem. Your not against campers but again your signs around his establishment say otherwise. I agree with you that camping is a problem but only in its current form. Your comments are a bit hateful towards him. Like say bye bye to your casino for traffic changes. Its rediculous to say stuff like that.

People may actually show up to play games then or he may change strategies.

Um, what's my store doing that's in any way responsible for the degradation of the sim? Its mere existance?

Sorry, that's a beyond-dumb statement.

You give me a headache.

I'm glad you have a headache, you deserve it.. You degrade everything around you, that sim was a lovely neighborhood until you moved in..

Of 1000+ empty sims you insist that having camping chairs in one sim you can easily move out of is unacceptable.. You don't want to do anything but stir up trouble. You rented in the sim specifically to stir up trouble..

You can call camping whatever you want.. I call it working within the system.. Now do whatever the heck you want to change the system, I encourage it. In the meantime you can either work with the system, or bitch about it.. You are not without recourse, you can move to one of the other 1,000 empty sims, and me and the hundreds of other people will enjoy actually having some place to go with people in the sim can enjoy playing the game how we like..

You want to dictate how other people play the game, and they can only do what you feel is appropriate.. If someone does anything you don't like you feel it is okay to violate every TOS rule in the book to put a stop to it..

Well, do whatcha want, I already filed 7 ARs on you, another half-dozen won't kill me..

Go for it babycakes. I've already got one for each day of the week you've been lagging my store up.

Nobody else in the sim feels that you're welcome there. I've asked everyone. I'm also happy to list the IMs I've had from neighbors thanking me for putting the signs up.

I have no interest in dictating anything other than fairness, and you're cheating and abusing the system. Ta ta!

Well the fact is your simply against his casino cuz its in that sim. Stuff there is degrading the sim i even said that myself. But you seem to be getting pissy at the casino for simply existing is what im pointing out. He runs a business as do you and you both have the right to do so without being hounded by the other person or having signs of boycott put up around your business. Except you dont really show much respect towards him yourself so why should he really respect you?

I've stated that the other factors in that sim are the problem. I dont find the people to be the problem due to the number not being super high. There is a reason the sim lags later on its when his timers become reactivated likely and it likely is the same time people start showing back up to the camping chairs. Im saying the basis of the argument is valid just that the argument itself being that the people are the only thing degrading the Sim and saying on your own signs that SL sucks because of them is not a valid argument in this case.

Fairness? Fairness?

You rent a tiny plot in a sim and think you can tell one of the biggest land owners in the sim how to run their business?

You spend $1USD on rent for a tiny plot and that gives you reason to harass my business that I have over $700USD invested in?

You are a fucking prick, you don't know or give a tiny shit about fairness. I pay out over $600 per month, and what do you give to the people of SL? Fukin nothing!

More people want me around than want me gone so go fuck yourself..

I am against the CAMPING. Is that clear? the CAMPING.

Yeah, I can.

And you're not one of the biggest land owners. Unless you mean by height of obnoxious building, then yeah, yours is phenominally taller than anyone elses'.

I don't give a shit how much you've invested in anything. You're a liar, you cheat, you're disrespectful, and you're inconsiderate. Bite me.

I take great issue with LL & God for letting assholes like you exist..

::rolls eyes.::

LL doesn't have a problem with me either or they would've reprimanded me when you first complained like a whiner.

As it is every time I've had a Linden look at the sim they've agreed it's running like shit and have reset it.

Boo hoo hot thang.

I'm about 70% sure you will be perma-banned once LL gets all the abuse reports..

Nope. Adios!

Now now no reason to stoop to his methods of name calling. But i agree if he is renting there wtf? Also if your casino was there before his shop was he knew the sim would be laggy in the first place and yet he moved in. That leads me to the question if your casino is so bad then why did he move in in the first place??????? He had a choice which sim and he chose that one. Camping does in a sense abuse the system but its not cheating the system its using a means to work inside the system as koy a method as it is but its still within the bounds of the system.

Also considering.... that its rental land in all honesty wtf? You rented land right at the back of the casino then complain about noises and chat spam in all honesty get a grip on that. For someone that has been in SL two years you should of realized that. And you knew it was a casino with camping chairs before you rented. So the big question is why did you choose to rent that plot specifically and have you actaully talked to marmela about contacting the casino owner. And Promethius did you look at Josh's signs around the sim they seem quite abundantly clear to be against the campers.

Also you can easily move.

Not that I need to defend anything, but I moved to the plot because it was near the store of a friend of mine who sells things in a genre similar to my store. I wanted to be in a PG sim, I wanted to be on the waterfront. This parcel was these things and cheap.

I did contact the rental owner prior and asked her about the lag and she said that it wasn't too bad, so I moved in.

I don't have to be bullied out of wherever I choose to put my store because an asshole abuses his land and the sim resources. If he were my neighbor in real life and constantly played loud music, if I were to call the police they wouldn't tell me to move somewhere else, they'd tell him to turn the music down. How dare you tell me I should just move from the store I've invested my time and money in.

I've advertised the store in this particular spot. It's not a matter of just picking up and moving somewhere else. Especially not when he's being incredibly selfish.

If you were my neighbor in real life.... You would be dead..

Who cares.

Oh now you're going to threaten me physically? I'll add this to the AR I file tonight. Danke.

Um... Wait a minute... I'm bulling you?

It would be wrong for you to be bullied off your $1 rental lot, yet it is perfectly okay for you to try to bully me off my 10,000+sqm of land I have over $700USD invested in and have been there for months before you?

Yes, he did rent that land, and within 3 days of him renting the land he started griefing me.. The friend with a shop next to him (who he claimed was just another sim resident he didnt know) started griefing me the same day and got a warning for parcel encroachment. They both rented lots there to give someone a hard time because they are jealous of someone elses success and don't have the ability to provide anything meaningful to SL themselves..

This very same thing was said about Land Swooping.

But you feel the right you have the right to bully him into changing his ways? See its a hypocritical statement esepcialyl considering he was there previous to you being there. Yes he could tone things down a bit but you could also approach it from a different angle then toss a bunch of signs up around the sim. Why dont you have other land owners approach him. You see i kindly talked to him here and he stated that he would be taking down 10 pads at one point. You get more results being nicer and you state you nicely Im'ed him. Im inclined not to believe you due to your attitude in these forums if you acted like that towards him in an IM then i wouldnt of responded either.

He's not bullying you at all he never even once did you however have gone out of your way to try to make him look like a bad guy and trying to bully him into toning things down or trying to get him banned from SL or to close down. If he's being selfish then your being about twice as selfish considering your actions.