if only "SL Answers" wasn't no reply....

Lina, you made quite a few well-thought-out points, most of which I tried to make to the OP myself.. As you can see it is sort of like talking to a brick wall.

It's actually painful to see you try to slowly explain to this character the truth and have him snap back with a childish one-liner..

But somehow I'm sure Joshua thinks even though he can't defend his position in a well-reasoned arguement (to the extent he has to resort to name-calling), we should all listen to him and do as he says..

So Joshua, you really don't care anymore? You mean that, or are you just saying that because you realise you lost this arguement?

I don't care about this thread. Cos the forums are dying and that means I'm free to call you a douchetool, douchetool.

Doesn't mean I've stopped caring about rendering you incontinent and making you beg for forgiveness as I grind your casino into the ground, laughing mercilessly at my victorious accomplishment.

You haven't done anything reasonable, you haven't tried to do anything, you keep maintaining I'm lying but when I ask you to demonstrate what and prove it all you have is that I mistakenly said your camping pads pay out L$1 per 17 minutes when in fact it's L$2.

I'm such a liar, I should be burned alive.

Big fuckin whoop.

Even when I took screenshots you still denied it. So go fondle yourself a little longer baby. Daddy's coming home.

Babycakes, I don't care. Have some pai.

I agree..

You have hairy feet.

URGH.

I read this thread until about page 4...then I considered suicide, or skipping to page 7. Why are you defending camping? Is your life so devoid of usage that you must do such a blasphemous thing? Picking hair out the sink is funner.

"plz we shud get $10 USD in L a month", Hm, LL needs profits, not much, but they need some. Get an annual subscription, stop whining, start playing. Camping, unless you have 3 alts doing it 24/7, isn't going to make up for the remaining amount.

I love how the people who defend camping use double negatives and don't even consider a spell checker before posting.

As for the whole sim lag debate. There should be no debate, hundreds of people who have actual, real brains (Yes, made of cells) know who's right. The sim, (Dosojin), crashed, I relogged within 30 seconds. It was empty, there was no lag, nothing. Temp on rez things re-appearing all around me, no lag. Nothing. So you can just take your little theories and rip them into little bits of paper.

Certainly, in some cases, it may be true. This is more often than not, not the case. Stop making fools of yourselves by fighting the things we KNOW are correct, since there's no half-way point, thanks to Guido, just be quiet and keep being evil, don't make it worse for yourself.

You don't care about this thread? Have you seen how many posts you have in this thread? Humm.. Who started this thread BTW?.. Ah, you did..

So your goal is to render me incontinent and make me beg for forgiveness as you grind my casino into the ground.. And here we thought you just wanted to build in a lag-free environment and enjoy your Second Life experience... Glad your true goal is finally revealed..

Babycakes, I don't care. Have some pai.

For one, is "Funner" even a word? Fun, Funner, Funnest..

Mabye when you got to page 4 you should have kept reading, or did that other thing you were thinking about..

Babycakes, I don't care. Have some pai.

Many sims are crashing as of late. Im not using theories and it was stuff acknowledged BY a LINDEN as a problem. How many times do i have to say that. Im not defending camping, but im also stating that not all camping places are bad. If that sim is crashing with the number of people in it there is DEFINATELY something wrong with that sim not just the camping place. How many times do i need to explain that fact? 10-15-20 people should NEVER crash a sim unless there are other problems in the sim. Ask anyone that has been in a sim for awhile that one. Your stating it crashed how do you know they simply didnt reset it or something?

Im pointing out that while there are people in that sim that number of people should have that kind of effect on the sim unless there is something wrong with that sim. I was just in a sim with 34 people in it that wasnt private and yet it operates better then his sim do you care to elaborate on that???? I've also asked him to prove numerous times that its the people. Yeah a sim is going to be nice and fine directly after a restart. Thats always how it is. If 10 people are in that sim and it is unstable as i have stated Numerous times there is a PROBLEM with that sim other then the people being there. There are other circumstances in a sim that can make it crash. Care to elaborate as to why i was lagging last night with 10 people there hmmm?

Pardon me for actually asking that question as to why it can crash with 10-20 people there. When i've seen sims with alot more that were built up and scripted alot more be mroe stable. I'd honestly like someone to answer that. If you cant then let it rest. Simply put you peg camping as evil because a few places over do it. Some do it to genuinly give to the newbies and they give what they can afford. So the sim lags and has a camping spot with 10-15 people at it so its automatically the camping spot. Seems flawed when you take into account that the number of people should be crashing a sim under normal means.

As i have tried to point out there are other aspects in play , be it poor scripting, sim problems (which i have pointed out have been going on quite a bit as of late and had that proven by a linden comment). I make my argument based on things i went and witnessed and things asked and proven to be one way or the other. Had the linden said there were no sim problems mabye the argument that the camping in that sim is the only problem the sim is facing would be a bit more valid. But the response is that there are sim problems and that they arnt sure when a fix will come about.

I think camping chairs are a bit off myself but i also think LL yanking away basic accounts money was at the same time. People are often basic accounts because they cant afford to pay a monthly fee on top of other things and then they dont get jack. I understand for unverified accoutns sure but what about those that verify how about giving them some money so they can actually go and do something? How about LL regulates camping chairs the same way the Money tree's are regulated? Having To Be within so many days old to use it.

I dont want to totally get rid of camping myself i'd rather they actually regulate it to be a thing to help newbies as opposed to a way to supplement traffic. I look for a more viable solution as opposed to ranting that its evil and must be wiped out completely. I just feel that its wrong to try to say its all guido's fault when its clear there is other junk in that sim going on. Its pretty easy to see if you look at the numbers and actually go around comparing it to other places.

Hm, I never said having those people in it crashed it. Yes, sims are very unstable at this time, I've experienced it too, but this extra lag is no due to that.

And I'm not sure, but I think you do get paid for verification. And I quote:

Yeah but what will 250L get you really and thats a 1 time thing. After that you get 0L per week and are forced either to buy them work somewhere create content or sit in a camping chair. The camping chairs become appealing when people go afk so they can make some extra money. They arnt evil in that aspect. The extra lag shouldnt be from the people either he has no outside scripts turned on which negates a huge deal of the lag that most avatars cause alot of it is caused by scripted gadgets they are wearing.

Also thats only if you register straight out. I have an alt that because i didnt register it right off i didnt get the L. So if people decide to verify later they get bupkiss. 250L = one pair of shoes or mabye one outfit. People say ohh why dont they buy 10$ worth of L a month well they are likely a freebie basic account for a reason iE they cant afford that extra cost per month but would still like to be able to enjoy SL. Camping chairs are an alternative to them but that extra lag aint just coming from the people either thats what im getting at. Josh's argument is that that is the problem in that sim and i had problems in the sim with only 10 people there so that has gotta be saying something.

10 people dont lag a sim like that in any sim i've been in except ones where the scripting was horrid. My point is that josh is simply attacking the camping location trying to state that is the problem with the entire sim. Which it may well be but its not due to the fact of the people its likely due to scripts if it is. Those camping chairs likely have a bunch of timers in them. But he should attack the people that choose to camp like they are the scum of the earth. They do it because its their alternative to get some money which they otherwise might not be able to get.

I can understand all sides of this equation but at the same time you have to agree that the signs he has up are a bit off and his method's of trying to get the guy to cut down are a bit harsh. There are better ways to go about things and mabye of Josh had tried it from a kinder approach things would of changed. But he put up signs and from his attitude here as likely nasty if he im'ed guido which no one at all responds well to. Me or you would of likely done the same thing in guido's shoes if it was done in such a manner. I know i would for sure because i dont take that kind of stuff from people.

If they act adult and approach me kindly im much more open to listen to them about things.

He did IM Guido.

And, let's see, you say L$250 isn't much, and that basic accounts should get a stipend..That's just costing LL more money, for every basic account verified, there would be more money going OUT. That L$50 stipend was pitiful, I wanted to shop back in the days of my basic account, I couldn't, L$50 a week + camping + bank interest just wouldn't buy more than one item of decent clothing. And I don't even want to buy clothing.

Oh and, with Guido's chairs, it'd take 14.166666666666666666666666666667 hours of solid camping to make L$100, so I think his chairs are pretty bad.

And unless Josh has suddenly changed his opinion, I don't think he's against campers. I'm only against people who defend it. I made a fair bit off of the odd camp, when dwell was around, and rates were high. In a fairly unused sim, where businesses actualy live off the camp traffic, sure, that's a good thing. But otherwise...urgh.

I'm going to say this for the last time so you understand it. Stop listening to what the dipshit is saying and listen to me.

This is the timeline of events:

I moved in to my plot. Day one, I sent Guido an IM offering to help repair the texture problem he has on his building. I was polite and kind and said I'd do it for him for free if he was interested. No reply.

A day or two later I sent him another IM asking if he could switch the tab on his plot that keeps sounds on his plot so I wouldn't hear his casino shouting every time someone won L$10. No reply.

A few days after that I asked him if we could talk about the camping pads and see if he could maybe take a few away because they were lagging the sim. No reply.

A day or so after that I put my sign up. They were above his platform, not in the doorway, and phantomed. Within 45 minutes of the signs I got a curseword-laden rant about how I was a bastard and I was trying to steal his business.

So with one act of pointedness I got his attention that a week's worth of nice IMs didn't.

The signs are completely fine, the Lindens have allowed worse things around. I have permission of the landowners to keep the signs there. In fact, Guido called a Linden over right then who looked at the signs and didn't say anything at all to me, all he did was return the signs that someone ELSE, not me, had put up inside his building. I was not spoken to at all by a Linden, nor were my signs touched.

Now Guido originally said he never got any of my IMs at all. Later on he slipped and said he saw the one where I offered to fix his casino, which leads me to believe he got and ignored the other two as well.

I did go the nice route. Guido's an assface who isn't interested in compromising anything. In another thread he made this clear, because he said if he removed any pads he'd no longer be in the popular places list. He clearly admitted his casino offers nothing but camping to put it on that list and has no redeemable value to SL.

It's not my responsibility or concern to provide for those in SL who have basic accounts and can't find ways to get money without damaging the sim performance of other people. If you want to treat SL as a big chatroom you can buy L$. If you don't want to buy L$, then you can build stuff. If you don't want to buy L$ and you don't want to build stuff then you can go to another game.

There are many, many threads about camping here. Only people who know nothing about the system, like you Lina, defend it as a practice. And you have a club, which I'm sure employs camping devices, so I'm sure you want to keep it around for your own desire to be listed as a popular place.

This much needs to be made clear:

Even if we were to suppose (incorrectly) that camping has nothing to do with the lag in the sims, it unfairly cheats the popular places list by making places look popular that are NOT.

But this is the last that needs to be discussed, because a whole host of experts more knowledgeable than myself and certainly you have said the corrolation between avatars present and lag is 1:1. Both times I asked a Linden to have Dosojin reset they said "Well that many avatars in one spot will lag the sim" before checking it.

Camping is BAD for the reasons already stated, and even if it wasn't it's cheating and should be banned for that reason alone.

Now we're done discussing it because you obviously don't know anything about this issue and I really suggest you read up on what others have said before you proclaim your Nancy Drew detective work as infallible.

I'm more against those who provide for camping than the people who camp. I know the people who camp don't know any better and think it's a great idea.

Until they do the math and realize it pays insignificant amounts of money.

Camping only interests day-old newbies who don't know any better.

It's the casino and club owners who take advantage of this lack of knowledge for their own selfishness to game the popular places list that are the bad people in this situation.

Not all clubs do it. Case in point my club. I also stated that i dont like them any more then you do but your also trying to say that thats the only problem with the Sim. Which isnt true there are other factors in that sim lagging. Your signs are a bit off if you honestly want him to change his ways and your first IM was offering to help fix something which we cant really prove or debunk at all so i wont attempt to. To someone who has no money the camping chairs are better then have 0L and there are things out there that you can buy with that camping money. 10L would get me 2 hair styles over at panache. Upload fee's Only store would also be a place you could get decent clothing.

So some camping does pay off. As i stated i think LL needs to actually regulate camping rather then getting rid of it. Make it something like the money tree's and have a set rate for all the chairs. Yeah i agree Guido's rates are a bit off but thats what he can afford to do
There are other circumstances however for your sim not just the amount of people there. As i stated it could very well be stuff that isnt the people in his spot but you stated a few times it was due to PEOPLE camping there. Which I've tried to point out numerous times that its likely the other factors and not the people. Im not even saying guido isnt at fault. All the stuff he has could be horribly scripts and causing lag who knows.

I've been trying to point out quite simply that its not the people in the sim camping that are causing the problem. I think regulating it would be a good way. Even so i do find the signs to be a bit off if you honestly want him to comply at all and the methods of which you posted saying you want to watch him beg for forgiveness and stuff just puts it off even more and likely in all honesty if a linden read that they wouldnt be willing to help. You've also said that he is deliberately trying to lag the sim as i pointed out that he wasnt you still insisted that he purposly tried to lag the sim. Mabye unknowingly he did but mabye you could explain some things to him in a rational manner as to why the camping chair stuff is off.

I dont get Im's from folks some of the time. Due to crashes or whatever i have this problem where if the room im in gets to hot my computer does to and it freezes up due to the heat i then have to restart. It could be thats what happened simply cant prove he got all the im's. All im doing is clearing up that its not just people that are a problem in a sim. My guess would be scripts+sim problems and the scripts are most likely on the Camping Pads not the people themselves causing the lag but what the people are using. 27 things running timers to keep track of how long a person is on and unless they are switch on only when someone is on them....... well 27 running at a constant rate. That is likely what is causing the lag really. The pads themselves.

Thats the stuff i was trying to point out. Your argument was simply it being the people sucking up the resources. If anything most of the points i made could of been used to help you if you didnt take such offense to it. That fact i point out scripts - timers come into play quite easily. 27 timers = lag and that on top of the sim instablitiy as of late is prolly horrid =/. So as i said im not supporting either side here just speaking out from the back lines and what was put out on the table. You didnt put up your stuff about the im's right away and we honestly cant prove either side without chat logs and thats not allowed on the forums .

However i would reccomend out of respect for the sim that guido cut down the dance pads to about 15 as thats cutting out about 12 timers and it should help the lag some. That is if you do respect that sim. Im telling you that the timers are the problem. If your doing camping to get traffic your in it for the wrong reason though =/

Too bad your "Act of pointiness" happened to be a TOS violation.. Aside from the fact he has anothe tread entitled "Why is building so GOD DAMN IMPOSSIBLE?" with a thread full of people talking about the same problem in sims where there are no camping pads, he doesn't want to consider mabye it's a diffrent problem.

(Yes, 27 pads is a bit much, and I will likely remove 10 or so at some point.. As I've stated, I've considered doing it already but didn't want to reward this behavior)..

Fuck you.

As usual, a well reasoned, well though-out response..

And might I say, you would think, considering your lifestyle and standing in life, you wouldn't be such an intolerant asshole..

Love you too bitch.

I'm astoundingly tolerant when someone's not a jerkface who rips people off and cheats to get ahead.

Look at my posts on ageplay, rapeplay, prim babies, grim babies, furries etc if you need to see the full range of my tolerance.

however you're a low-creative hack with no real talent in anything except scripting, and even then you can only use that ability to further rip people off. you don't even have my respect as a human being, why should I be concerned with your opinion of myself you sexy beast?

Rips people off by giving them free money? and running a casino hmmmm i dont see the corelation there. As i pointed out some things i do agree on but these kinds of this are just off base and make people not take you seriously at all.

Cheat
Low-Creative Hack
Jerkface
Rips people off

Rofl.. You call me no less than 4 names in the post you expouse the virtues of your tolerance..

If you weren't such a sad human being you'd be hillarious..

Lina does not equal "people." You're the only person irrationally defending camping.

And rips people off by cheating to get his boring club listed in popular places. If people really need free pennies, they can IM me, I'm happy to give them L$1 if they'll realize camping does NOT pay off.