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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 15:46
Hey, it's DogSpot. I knew someone was missing.
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DogSpot Boxer
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11-05-2005 15:55
Hey,man, all I'm saying is that LF was uber insulting and condescending. Oh yeah, and rude too.

It's not cool to make fun of people like some here have done to Coco in this thread.

She's not tech savvy. So what? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize what a cluster fuck 1.7 has been and continues to be for some. The barbs tossed in Coco's direction have put her in a defensive position, which in turn begets more negative comments, which in turn gets her more defensive, etc, etc.

I work in software development (in QA, even), and I agree with everything that folks
have been explaining to Coco.
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Khamon Fate
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11-05-2005 17:16
Nobody replied to my post.

I'm gonna eat some worms.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 17:44
To reply to your post, Khamon, I would say that in one way it doesn't really matter that SL isn't ready for prime time in that you can play it for FREE.

But the fact that it is being broadcast all over as a way to make money - and people are flocking here right now - and some are paying lots to be here, does imply a sort of obligation to make it playable and stable.

coco
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Forseti Svarog
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11-05-2005 18:20
From: Cocoanut Koala
To reply to your post, Khamon, I would say that in one way it doesn't really matter that SL isn't ready for prime time in that you can play it for FREE.

But the fact that it is being broadcast all over as a way to make money - and people are flocking here right now - and some are paying lots to be here, does imply a sort of obligation to make it playable and stable.

coco


I agree that LL's got to be careful with their PR with the technology in such an early state. They don't want to poison word of mouth. Optimism is necessary in a startup, but can be dangerous too. But it's easy to back-seat drive... it's another thing to be in the driver's seat trying to balance short and long term issues.


sorry i didn't respond to your post khamon. There were some distracting things in this thread... like Enabran taking too many "cocky young punk" pills this morning. ;)
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 18:31
From: Forseti Svarog
like Enabran taking too many "cocky young punk" pills this morning. ;)


/me spreads his hands helplessly

What can I say? My greatest weakness, and this has been true since the earliest days of my youth, is my impatience with ignorance. :)
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Memory Harker
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11-05-2005 20:02
From: DogSpot Boxer
Dude, WTF is your problem?

You are absolutely _berating_ Coco because she not tech savvy. There is no reason why someone who is pretty much just a user of SL to know that the software installed on the PC or Mac is the "client". Most people just call it the SL "program"



How incredibly condescending and quite rude as well.

The ONLY reason she mentioned her accomplishments is because of a condescending comment about "grunting" being as effective as "talking" (or whatever the exact quote. She wasn't waving it around as some sort of attention whoring.

Perhaps you think she's stupid, I don't know. But that's no excuse for being.

A USER of SL doesn't need to know even the most basic "workings" as you call it. All they need to know is they install the "program" and log into SL.

Coco has been really open about her lack of technical knowledge and has seem to be genuninely interested in learning more about the big picture "workings" of SL.

Even if she's not really "getting it" (and I'm not saying she isn't), there's no reason to give her a hard time.

Well.

Yes and no, is my Suddenly-Lurking-No-More take on this.

I was a bit surprised by how LF went off, too. (I know his manners and methods only from that first RAC meeting a while back, where he seemed the epitome of patience and tact --- in spite of having to deal with some continual, uh, Jive-Ass Bullshit from several ppl.) And, in fact, what is pretty self-evident terminology to Lordfly ("SL client," "webcode," etc.), is nomenclature that I understand only slightly --- like, an angstrom unit? --- deeper than Coco. So I kinda sorta empathize with said Coco. You know?

On the other hand, I, because I'm aware of --- and not overly embarrassed by --- my ignorance, I don't go jabbering on about shit I don't understand, in ways that are sometimes dunning and often unhelpful and, ultimately, based on little other than that ignorance. And Coco, you may have observed over the past few months, might be considered to do that with, well, everything, eh?

So I can see where someone would be predisposed to apoplexy when conversing with her --- and, even more likely than that, for someone to indulge in the sort of 1337geekish disdain that Lordfly was, surprisingly, indulging in.


Now, Coco's credentials, as she's brandished them, if based in truth, are another thing entirely. They are a thing, in fact, if true, that scares the fuck out of me. Not the credentials themselves, but --- as Enabran can understand --- the idea that someone with those credentials presents as Coco presents in these forums.

Me, I barely graduated from highschool --- with a D average, I think it was --- and haven't been to another house of education since then. And I sometimes look upon my friends' formal educations --- because most of my friends, and certainly my sweet Euterpe, are chockful of academic acheivements ---with a twinge of jealousy.

But when I hear of Coco's credentials ... and I consider what I've read of her posts ...

Oy. Oy.

I mean, Coco, you're a very sweet person, certainly --- even though you may not have any certificates on your Wall of Pride denoting that in particular. And you're as worthy an addition to SL and to these forums as, perhaps, any of all of us are. And I'm glad you're here with us. :) Because, I mean, generally: Up with people!

Y'know?



But --- oy, girl.

Just ... oy.
Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 20:07
From: Memory Harker
[wildly unexpected pwnage]


/me gapes in awe

Who you tryna fool?

You went to school. You have a PhD in PWNAGE!


God, I wish I could do it that well.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 20:15
From: Enabran Templar
/me spreads his hands helplessly

What can I say? My greatest weakness, and this has been true since the earliest days of my youth, is my impatience with ignorance. :)

Then I don't know how you manage to live with yourself.

coco
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 20:18
From: Forseti Svarog
I agree that LL's got to be careful with their PR with the technology in such an early state. They don't want to poison word of mouth. Optimism is necessary in a startup, but can be dangerous too. But it's easy to back-seat drive... it's another thing to be in the driver's seat trying to balance short and long term issues.


sorry i didn't respond to your post khamon. There were some distracting things in this thread... like Enabran taking too many "cocky young punk" pills this morning. ;)

Well, I LOVE that we have the new players, and I still have faith that we are going to keep most of them. So I wouldn't backseat drive that part of it. And I think they were as blindsided as we were about the problems with 1.7. (Worse, I still don't think they quite grasp how far-reaching and dismal those problems are! For reasons of just not seeing them on their own computers, or whatever.)

I just hope that three weeks from now, all this will be just a bad memory.

That, I think they can recover from. I try to remember that I'm on SL almost every night, and lots of players - especially new ones - may not check in but once a week or less, so that's good.

coco
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-05-2005 20:18
From: Cocoanut Koala
Y'all are silly. I have academic credentials out the kazoo, awards all over my wall, top of my class, that whole business, along with being at the top in my career.


I barely have a high school diploma.. and even I know to only ask not bitch about things I don't understand. You confuse me. :(
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-05-2005 20:21
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
No, you have "that them piece of paper with the words on the wall, i went to the place with the learning and the learnie-people for a long time, and someone once said i did a good job so i guess i'm good".

Is that more clear?

For someone so "learned", and especially for someone so eager to toss your theoretical credentials into a web forum, you sure seem fairly oblivious to the world around you. It's not like you've never used SL before. You've been using it for 3/4ths of a year. Being ignorant of its most basic workings is scary indeed, doubly so for a supposed degree holder.

As a side note, credentials don't mean anything. At the low-level retail job I work at, I work with:

a) a bachelor's in history,
b) two mechanical engineer bachelors
c) a bachelor's of journalism
d) a bachelor's in psychology
e) a bachelor's in construction management

Along with probably half a dozen people with Associate Degrees.

Average pay? 7 bucks an hour.

Credentials != teh smartz.

LF




Totally uncalled for.
Magnum Serpentine
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11-05-2005 20:23
From: Enabran Templar
/me gapes in awe

Who you tryna fool?

You went to school. You have a PhD in PWNAGE!


God, I wish I could do it that well.


You know,

You have always been very mean to those people who do not support your opinions or views.
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11-05-2005 20:25
From: Seth Kanahoe
Which is what Coco was trying to say, minus the technical app/talk - and Eboni implied, and Enabran implied, and Jonquille implied - and then some people gave Coco a big whack on the head.

C'mon, people.... Y'all said it yourselves, over and over - there's room here for everybody. :rolleyes:



I have seen on this board, unless you support the minorities viewpoint, you are attacked to the Nth degree.
Memory Harker
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11-05-2005 20:27
From: Magnum Serpentine
Totally uncalled for.


Hi, Magnum. Remember this thread?

/112/69/69131/9.html#post721392

Yes?

Good.

Answer the question.
Pendari Lorentz
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11-05-2005 20:29
From: Cocoanut Koala
No, I don't need his permission.

We have been married a long time, and we don't spend money on things that are frills without discussing them, and making compromises, and convincing the other that the expenditure is justified, for entertainment reasons or whatever. I got rid of one of my TSO accounts, and convinced him that it was okay that way.

It's a partnership, Enabran.

coco



In this way.. Coco and I are the same. :p
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11-05-2005 20:35
From: Memory Harker
Hi, Magnum. Remember this thread?

/112/69/69131/9.html#post721392/112/69/69131/9.html#post721392

Yes?

Good.

Answer the question.



Get use to dissiappointment, because I feel like I am being lead down a trail by this constant "Answer the Question" business.

Actually I want to add, that I think this is a trap. I will not take the bait... Sorry

Get use to dissiappointment.
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11-05-2005 20:35
From: Memory Harker

On the other hand, I, because I'm aware of --- and not overly embarrassed by --- my ignorance, I don't go jabbering on about shit I don't understand, in ways that are sometimes dunning and often unhelpful and, ultimately, based on little other than that ignorance. And Coco, you may have observed over the past few months, might be considered to do that with, well, everything, eh?


Regardless, the kind of rebuke that LF and some others have given Coco is completely unwarranted. And to be fair, it's not like Coco hasn't been listening to what people have been saying.

From: someone
So I can see where someone would be predisposed to apoplexy when conversing with her --- and, even more likely than that, for someone to indulge in the sort of 1337geekish disdain that Lordfly was, surprisingly, indulging in.


So one has to wonder why people with said disposition choose to comment. Comments, I might add would almost certainly not be delivered with the same disdain and attitude if it were a face to face conversation.

Is there some sort of perverse satisfaction that comes from this?


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Now, Coco's credentials, as she's brandished them, if based in truth, are another thing entirely. They are a thing, in fact, if true, that scares the fuck out of me. Not the credentials themselves, but --- as Enabran can understand --- the idea that someone with those credentials presents as Coco presents in these forums.


First, it's not fair to claim she "brandished" them. That makes it sound like she's waving around her degrees so that people would
look in her direction. She only said that when she was faced with the "grunting" comment. If it were me, I'd not have gone that way, because it became another opportunity for ridicule.

Secondly, I've not many really smart people (both highly educated and not) who are not good at communicating. Whether Coco suffers thusly is not for me to say. But it is no reflection on the quality of her education or her real world skills.
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 20:37
From: Memory Harker
And I sometimes look upon my friends' formal educations --- because most of my friends, and certainly my sweet Euterpe, are chockful of academic acheivements ---with a twinge of jealousy.


It is their turn to be jealous. Of course, I shall confer upon you the standard honorarium for those inducted into the Order of the Golden siegeBot. However, you shall be the first to be awarded this Degree, which I shall also deliver, framed, unto your second person in short order.

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11-05-2005 20:37
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Regardless, the kind of rebuke that LF and some others have given Coco is completely unwarranted. And to be fair, it's not like Coco hasn't been listening to what people have been saying.



So one has to wonder why people with said disposition choose to comment. Comments, I might add would almost certainly not be delivered with the same disdain and attitude if it were a face to face conversation.

Is there some sort of perverse satisfaction that comes from this?




First, it's not fair to claim she "brandished" them. That makes it sound like she's waving around her degrees so that people would
look in her direction. She only said that when she was faced with the "grunting" comment. If it were me, I'd not have gone that way, because it became another opportunity for ridicule.

Secondly, I've not many really smart people (both highly educated and not) who are not good at communicating. Whether Coco suffers thusly is not for me to say. But it is no reflection on the quality of her education or her real world skills.



I totally agree with you
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11-05-2005 20:39
From: Enabran Templar
It is their turn to be jealous. Of course, I shall confer upon you the standard honorarium for those inducted into the Order of the Golden siegeBot. However, you shall be the first to be awarded this Degree, which I shall also deliver, framed, unto your second person in short order.





Totally uncalled for
Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 20:39
From: Magnum Serpentine
You know,

You have always been very mean to those people who do not support your opinions or views.


Not at all. However, more and more of late I am told that I "do not suffer fools lightly."

This I cannot disagree with.
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 20:40
See? He's jealous too.

edit: haha, he deleted the post.
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11-05-2005 20:40
From: Enabran Templar
Not at all. However, more and more of late I am told that I "do not suffer fools lightly."

This I cannot disagree with.



An excuse that George W. Bush would be proud of.
Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 20:41
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An excuse that George W. Bush would be proud of.


Hey, how come you don't update your blog anymore? I miss your directives to members of congress!
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