What I been sayin'

in a nutshell, only said much better, by Snakekiss Noir, in the Hotline; pithy excerpt below:

"There is no value to me as a player who pays $390 a month for two sims in seeing Linden Labs investing time and money to close GOM and launch their own LINDEX currency exchange when I cant even FIND my store amongst a grey world of unrezzed textures,(even if I could walk) let alone create or build, or make any L$ sales. I cannot even see the store let alone work in it. ALL resources should be put to cure this update first."

coco

you're upset by 1.7 cocoa? i didn't realize

you gotta speak up!

Yeah because I am sure the same people who write the webcode are the same people who program the SL client? Maybe they should get the office janitor to work on cleaning up prims. Apples and Oranges. Different people have different roles, just because some people are working on one project doesn't mean that they have the skills to assist on another. There are so many posts here that have no basis in reality, technology or business sense they are pointless to read. *yawn*

Coco, what Eboni says is right. I understand your upset, I probably would be a great deal more upset if I was paying $390 a month. Everyone seems to be in agreement that the way the preview grid is implemented and the way new versions of SL are implemented is wrong.

a) I didn't UNDERSTAND what Eboni said. I don't even know what "SL client" means, much less "SL client" vs "webcode." But I read it three times, and I'm pretty sure that she wasn't in agreement with me or Snakekiss.

b) I'm not upset. I just posted elsewhere about how I am continuing just to build, albeit at 30% slower rates, and wait it out. I don't have that much money at stake. The only real problem for me is I don't have the patience to texture shop.

c) The reason I posted the Snakekiss excerpt, Forseti, is I keep asking questions about what to expect in the future on these forums, and get answers I can only partially understand, and that don't sound hopeful. Such as those from Flipper.

Snakekiss put it what I've been trying to say VERY straightforwardly and succinctly, and doubtless represents a huge portion of the player base in her statement. That's why it bears repeating. I'm worried.

Smoke and mirrors ain't gonna change that. Responses to my thread here that I ALSO don't understand aren't going to change it either.

People keep trying to get me to see that these changes are good, but I just can't see it that way. I see it like Snakekiss does.

I flail around on here for some hope, some answers, and just keep getting told that I don't understand technology.

I hope they really do intend to fix this, and it's not really just a matter of us finally catching on that we can't use our old textures, scripts, builds, etc.

(And that's to say nothing about the crashing, loss of inventory, inability to log on, and other problems players are having.)

coco

P.S. Read it a fourth time. Maybe Eboni was agreeing with Snakekiss! haha, shows you how much I understand this stuff.

Here is what Eboni said:

- In an organization, different people have different roles, skills and departments.

- Some skills are conducive to the production of some things, others to others. A specialist in web development (see your web browser? That's an http client that gets fed output from executed "web code" is not likely to have skills relevant to 3D rendering, as used in the SL client (see that little icon with the green hand? That's your SL client. A client connects to a server. In this case, a Linden-owned, Second Life simulator)

Still with us?

- A janitor is as likely to be helpful in solving texture caching issues in a 3D rendering environment as a web developer, because the skill set is so different.

Okay, here is the important part,

- There's no use complaining that development time is being wasted because one specialist isn't helping to develop something that is outside of his expertise.


There're plenty of valid reasons to be annoyed with 1.7 sucking without casting about for silly ones instead.

What Eboni said, in a nutshell... Group A works on LindeX. (the currency thingie) Group B works on the SL client. (the thingie you log into) Having group A stop working on LindeX will not make Group B's job get done any faster, because Group A has different skills than Group B and cannot work on Group Bs projects.

How the fuck can you NOT know what the SL client is after using it for over 8 months? How can you be mad at 1.7 if you don't have the slightest inkling of how SL even works?

WTF?

LF

Yes, and then there's that.

Oh, OK, I think I get it now!

In other words, you (and possibly Eboni; hard to tell when people are being sarcastic or not) are saying that Snakekiss's call to have people fix the game so we can see it instead of doing things like implementing Lindex is kind of irrelevant since the people who do the first job aren't the same people with the same skills as who would do the second job.

Am I correct?

OK, then: HIRE more people who can do the first job, and hire FEWER people who can do the second.

Because what Snakekiss said, in essence, is still essentially correct: It will do us no good to have Lindex or whatever all else if we can't see things in the world!

I would say that this point about different people doing different jobs that is a very small quibble, and the essential issue still stands.

And it still reflects exactly what I've been trying to say.

coco

Now that's interesting, Lordfly. Why does knowing how to use something automatically mean you know the technical name for it? Or you have to know all the technical names for something in order to use it?

It doesn't.

Mad at 1.7? I am not mad at 1.7. I'm worried about 1.7. One point seven is going to lose us just a whole bunch of people, is what I'm worried about. Aren't you worried?

coco

P.S. Thanks, y'all, for explaining about the client stuff. I guess "the client" means my game as it is sitting on my personal computer, and my personal computer rendering it.

P.S. Lordfly, how can you not know all the things I do?

Way to miss the point.

There's not a lack of developers at Linden Lab. In fact, they've been hiring quite a bit, from what I am told.

This problem isn't a lack of man power. It's a problem with the way a certain subset of people decide policy and pursue objectives. Your solution basically boils down to "Whatever the problem is, throw more money at it!" Which solves absolutely nothing.

New policy for Quality Assurance needs to be enacted at Linden Lab to prevent this sort of thing in the future. Whether this happens or not is unrelated to development efforts elsewhere in the organization.

omg hi2u!

All true.

Yet the company's priorities seem wacked - and has been expressed for over a year, LL does not seem to have strong leadership...

A+ Marketing & PR

But if a F re: customer satisfaction then doom looms!

Come on LL - you can do much better...

From Linden Labs Website it looks like they are hiring more people. The current list includes: International Liaisons, Engineering Program/Project Manager, Program Manager, Project Manager (Community), QA Manager, QA Engineer, Software Engineer, Systems Engineer, Virtual World - Community Services Guru, and a Web Developer. It seems that most of the job openings are on the client side. I have no idea what they have in store for a Web Developer, maybe to make the new "publish to web" feature?

So it does look like there are putting the resources into the right areas. I am glad to see 2 QA positions open, so maybe they can get it right for once

Way to be snotty as crap, Enabran. Anyway, I think I get what you are talking about. And I think what y'all are talking about is kind of not what I'm talking about.

You're talking about organizational structure and methods for deployment that will help prevent this stuff in the future.

I was bringing up Snakekiss's post not for those reasons, though. I am saying that who CARES about things like Lindex when they give updates that are all gray and fuzzy.

And when I asked this yesterday, I was told (as far as I could tell), that we had been spoiled anyway, and we were just gonna have to toughen up and get used to using better textures, scripts, builds, avatars, whatever, and that that was the way forward.

In any case, I agree with Snakekiss's post entirely.

coco

P.S. What is QA? Quality Assurance?

Yup. Something is broken in terms of the management. Whatever Linden Lab's mission statement is, it certainly includes nothing about providing a "solid and reliable platform."

And that's a fucking problem.

Technical name? It's the descriptive noun! Do you point at the software you downloaded and call it "that thingie I double click on sometimes" in conversations?

When you drive to work, do you use a "car" or a "thingie with the four wheels and the vroom vroom?"





It usually helps to be somewhat knowledgable in the subject to worry about. I don't worry about the unpleasantries of string theory because I haven't the faintest idea how it works.

Hand-wringing over something you fail to grasp at basic levels is just asking for a heart attack. Drink a beer, relax, or learn. Pick two.

LF

Yup

Uh.

What, exactly, has one thing to do with the other? They're irrelevant. I don't see anyone making the argument "OMG 1.7 SUCKS BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE LINDEX."

Completely unrelated.

As for who cares about Lindex? People who make money.

I don't call it ANY damn thing, Lordfly!

Nor do I need to in order to worry about it, play it, put money into it, enjoy it, be successful at it, or whatever the hell else! And have good ideas about it, and have my pulse on the average player!

So don't you tell me I don't get to discuss these things because I don't know what "client" means and you do.

coco

When I see a real big thingie with four wheels and the vroom vroom, I scratch it with my open the door thingie.

Yep, me too!

Pointing and grunting works just as well as communicating with language.
Stop being elitist, Lordfly.