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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 11:03
From: Enabran Templar What a shame. All you had to do was type an extra two and a half words. Ah well. I guess you don't believe me, Enabran. But it's the truth. And it is never a matter of typing an extra two and a half words, as I work on contract, with a certain number of articles a year, at a certain price. That price works out to approximately $4 a word. coco P.S. Haha - just think of all the money you guys owe me! Just look at my post count! rofl
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Forseti Svarog
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11-05-2005 11:06
From: Cristiano Midnight Bah, forget it. heheheh anyway... cocoa-- my three point post -- did that make sense? has this issue been clarified for you enough?
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 11:06
From: Logan Bauer I've gone to great lengths to try not to be "snotty" about it. I've been trying recently for the sake of my own brain to NOT immediately laugh at or argue with you or blaze or people who like to run in and say, "Panic, panic, panic!" - because it just induces more arguement and ego-battling. The attitude that "its your right as a paying customer" is what I take objection to; can you picture Jesus walking into a store and vehemently demanding a refund because he just bought a shirt that he found was poorly made? Being level headed, humble and gracious always wins out over being alarmist and argumentative in my book. Yes, you have Dnate, and I didn't mean you. You'll notice that I generally start off pretty mild-mannered, too. And considering all factors. Note, for instance, in another thread, where I suggest that the 30% crash factor probably isn't as bad as it sounds, since it probably includes many people trying one time to play with a sub-par system, even though they know they can't, and then crashing. coco
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 11:09
From: Forseti Svarog [total tangent]
it can be fun, although the travel can get really old
but talk to enough mckinsey, BCG, bain, etc etc folks and what you'll primarily hear is "I'm doing this until I can figure out what I really want to do"
Not to say that some people don't love it, especially those in specialty areas.
plus freelancing, if you've got steady enough inbound work, can offer really nice freedom [/total tangent] Yeah, I could definitely see myself consulting until I decided on a really killer business plan or career path. Which is not to say that I don't like what I'm doing now -- I love it, but I'm way too career-minded not to be looking at a much more lucrative future, probably based on what I'm already learning. Also, damn, talk about stockpiling frequent flyer miles!
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Selador Cellardoor
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11-05-2005 11:10
Oops - did my usual trick of replying to a posting at the beginning of the thread not realising it went on for a further eight pages. 
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 11:11
From: Enabran Templar Indeed. On Friday I had an opportunity to chat for several hours with one of the most knowledgeable experts in my field. It was an amazing experience and I came away knowing a whole lot more. Did she need to explain to me that the day rate my company was paying her was what I make in a single month? Did she need to explain to me the specifics of her PhD? No, none of that was mentioned, and I found out about it later. The point was that she didn't need to. She spoke with such authority, backed her shit up so completely with facts, experience and examples, that it was obvious that she had a dramatically complete background and education. I'm very wary of people who need to explicitly declare their honesty or qualifications. Your qualifications should inform your ability to make your argument, not be its sole support. On an unrelated note... I am so becoming a consultant once I'm seasoned enough.  Lousy analogy. I am not in your field. Let's say a neurosurgeon was asking about SL. Would you treat him like crap, tell him he was an idiot, and all that, because he didn't know what "client"meant, and he was trying to understand? Or would you treat him with respect? That same respect should be given not to just him, but to the waitress at the local diner, or ANYONE. Knowledge isn't something you use to make yourself feel superior to those without it; else it becomes not only useless, but obsolete, as there are others willing to share theirs. coco
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-05-2005 11:13
From: Cocoanut Koala Lousy analogy. I am not in your field. Let's say a neurosurgeon was asking about SL. Would you treat him like crap, tell him he was an idiot, and all that, because he didn't know what "client"meant, and he was trying to understand? Or would you treat him with respect? Depends. Does this hypothetical Neurosurgeon constantly whine and repeat the same questions over and over until they get the answer they obviously wanted from the beginning?
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Martin Magpie
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11-05-2005 11:14
From: Cocoanut Koala Yes, you have Dnate, and I didn't mean you. You'll notice that I generally start off pretty mild-mannered, too. And considering all factors. Note, for instance, in another thread, where I suggest that the 30% crash factor probably isn't as bad as it sounds, since it probably includes many people trying one time to play with a sub-par system, even though they know they can't, and then crashing. coco I honestly believe if ppl logged on to another world/game/platform they would see the "professional" differences. I beleive it is abundantly clear that the 8 million dollar investment could of been spent more wisely. Professional support for one. Mar
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 11:15
From: Cocoanut Koala Lousy analogy. I am not in your field. The analogy has nothing to do with my field. It's about establishing credibility and not relying on the crutch of a framed piece of paper. If you want to be taken seriously, back your argument with facts. Don't they teach that in Writing School? Also, you're not really one to be talking about lousy analogies today. 
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 11:16
From: Forseti Svarog heheheh anyway... cocoa-- my three point post -- did that make sense? has this issue been clarified for you enough? Yes, it did. And that was kind of what I have been saying, about TSO. What I was originally saying is pretty much what Martin just said. And you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT about me getting sidetracked! I'm post-it-noting that to the foremost top area of my brain and gonna try to remember it! And to that end, I will shuffle off now to pay rl bills. Thanks for the discussion, such as it sometimes was, y'all. coco
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Martin Magpie
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11-05-2005 11:18
From: Enabran Templar Indeed. On Friday I had an opportunity to chat for several hours with one of the most knowledgeable experts in my field. It was an amazing experience and I came away knowing a whole lot more. Did she need to explain to me that the day rate my company was paying her was what I make in a single month? Did she need to explain to me the specifics of her PhD? No, none of that was mentioned, and I found out about it later. The point was that she didn't need to. She spoke with such authority, backed her shit up so completely with facts, experience and examples, that it was obvious that she had a dramatically complete background and education. I'm very wary of people who need to explicitly declare their honesty or qualifications. Your qualifications should inform your ability to make your argument, not be its sole support. On an unrelated note... I am so becoming a consultant once I'm seasoned enough.  She knew her shit well enough to charge you a months worth of your salary too  Chicks rule! LOL Mar
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Martin Magpie
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11-05-2005 11:19
From: Cocoanut Koala Yes, it did. And that was kind of what I have been saying, about TSO. What I was originally saying is pretty much what Martin just said. And you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT about me getting sidetracked! I'm post-it-noting that to the foremost top area of my brain and gonna try to remember it! And to that end, I will shuffle off now to pay rl bills. Thanks for the discussion, such as it sometimes was, y'all. coco Thanks Coco Mar
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-05-2005 11:20
From: Kendra Bancroft Depends. Does this hypothetical Neurosurgeon constantly whine and repeat the same questions over and over until they get the answer they obviously wanted from the beginning? I have to agree with Cocoanut, even though I loathe her dick whipping posts. Why does a discussion of this topic include painting her as an idiot? She may not be the most techinically savvy person, but so what? While I often disagree with her, even strongly, she does not need to constantly have her intelligence demeaned. No one deserves that, yet some people seem to take sport in doing so to a variety of people in the forums. That said, it is important that if you are going to take a position like "They should not be working on LindeX while other stuff is broken", you should understand the development process enough to know if that is a valid statement to make. In this case, it wasn't. That, however, does not make Cocoanut stupid, it makes her ill-informed.
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 11:20
What have we learned today, folks?
When you have neither facts nor experience on your side, argue with your 25-year-old piece of framed parchment.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-05-2005 11:23
From: Martin Magpie I honestly believe if ppl logged on to another world/game/platform they would see the "professional" differences.
I beleive it is abundantly clear that the 8 million dollar investment could of been spent more wisely. Professional support for one.
Mar This is very true. I cannot say enough bad things about Linden Lab's support department, though again, it seems to be a resource issue, along with them keeping one person who shall remain nameless who is the most condescending jackass I have ever dealt with as a customer of any company.
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Forseti Svarog
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11-05-2005 11:25
From: Martin Magpie I honestly believe if ppl logged on to another world/game/platform they would see the "professional" differences.
I beleive it is abundantly clear that the 8 million dollar investment could of been spent more wisely. Professional support for one.
Mar i was hoping they haven't spent all that money yet... the road is long and we have miles to go... but given the infrastructure they have to maintain and their growing size, it will probably go quite quickly. I heard a rumor they did another round after the 8 but haven't bothered to investigate.
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Enabran Templar
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11-05-2005 11:25
From: Cristiano Midnight I have to agree with Cocoanut, even though I loathe her dick whipping posts. Why does a discussion of this topic include painting her as an idiot? She may not be the most techinically savvy person, but so what? While I often disagree with her, even strongly, she does not need to constantly have her intelligence demeaned. No one deserves that, yet some people seem to take sport in doing so to a variety of people in the forums.
That said, it is important that if you are going to take a position like "They should not be working on LindeX while other stuff is broken", you should understand the development process enough to know if that is a valid statement to make. In this case, it wasn't. That, however, does not make Cocoanut stupid, it makes her ill-informed. You've pretty much answered your own question. It's one thing to lack information and to seek some background as you form an opinion. It's quite another to thrust an opinion out while being obviously ill-informed, and then try to defend that opinion with the authority of "I'M RIGHT AND I DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHY" arguments. Knowing the knowledge that you lack is so important. Maybe that's something you forget as you age. 
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-05-2005 11:26
From: Cristiano Midnight I have to agree with Cocoanut, even though I loathe her dick whipping posts. Why does a discussion of this topic include painting her as an idiot? She may not be the most techinically savvy person, but so what? While I often disagree with her, even strongly, she does not need to constantly have her intelligence demeaned. No one deserves that, yet some people seem to take sport in doing so to a variety of people in the forums.
That said, it is important that if you are going to take a position like "They should not be working on LindeX while other stuff is broken", you should understand the development process enough to know if that is a valid statement to make. In this case, it wasn't. That, however, does not make Cocoanut stupid, it makes her ill-informed. I don't automatically make sport of someone for what I might consider being "stupid". I make fun of sanctimonious people by employing the issue that seems to most tweak their buttons. In Cocoa's case, I find her self-righteousnous so amusing and her fear that she comes across as less than intelligent an intoxicating elixir. For the record, I don't actually think of Cocoa as stupid. Far from it.
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Selador Cellardoor
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11-05-2005 11:31
From: Cristiano Midnight the most condescending jackass I have ever dealt with
What, worse than some of the people who have been posting in this thread?
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Richie Waves
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11-05-2005 11:32
I seriosly must be playing a different version :/
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-05-2005 11:33
From: Selador Cellardoor What, worse than some of the people who have been posting in this thread? Yes, I'm not paying $300 a month to anyone in this thread. Well, I am paying an undisclosed amount to Kendra, but that is irrelevant.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-05-2005 11:36
From: Richie Waves I seriosly must be playing a different version :/ It is amazing how vastly different people's experiences can be. I experienced some lag and some jumpiness when trying to walk, but other than that, I have not had much of a problem in 1.7 at all.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 12:27
Two ageist remarks, Enabran. You're gettin kinda desperate. coco
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Jonquille Noir
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11-05-2005 12:34
From: Cristiano Midnight It is amazing how vastly different people's experiences can be. I experienced some lag and some jumpiness when trying to walk, but other than that, I have not had much of a problem in 1.7 at all. It is very strange. I have some friends that have so much trouble with 1.7 that they can hardly move, and most of them have far better computers than I do. I keep pestering them with questions about their specs and settings, hoping to find some connection, but haven't found anything yet. Very weird.
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11-05-2005 15:43
From: Lordfly Digeridoo No, you have "that them piece of paper with the words on the wall, i went to the place with the learning and the learnie-people for a long time, and someone once said i did a good job so i guess i'm good". Is that more clear? Dude, WTF is your problem? You are absolutely _berating_ Coco because she not tech savvy. There is no reason why someone who is pretty much just a user of SL to know that the software installed on the PC or Mac is the "client". Most people just call it the SL "program" From: someone For someone so "learned", and especially for someone so eager to toss your theoretical credentials into a web forum, you sure seem fairly oblivious to the world around you. It's not like you've never used SL before. You've been using it for 3/4ths of a year. Being ignorant of its most basic workings is scary indeed, doubly so for a supposed degree holder. How incredibly condescending and quite rude as well. The ONLY reason she mentioned her accomplishments is because of a condescending comment about "grunting" being as effective as "talking" (or whatever the exact quote. She wasn't waving it around as some sort of attention whoring. Perhaps you think she's stupid, I don't know. But that's no excuse for being. A USER of SL doesn't need to know even the most basic "workings" as you call it. All they need to know is they install the "program" and log into SL. Coco has been really open about her lack of technical knowledge and has seem to be genuninely interested in learning more about the big picture "workings" of SL. Even if she's not really "getting it" (and I'm not saying she isn't), there's no reason to give her a hard time.
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