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Talk me out of adopting a child

Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 20:31
From: Jedi Quintessa
i thought kids arnt allowed to be in sl are they adults pretenting to be kids?


My apologies jedi. We sound liek wasps buzzing round a jam jar.
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12-15-2008 20:39
OK, as long as I'm not the father! !!
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Czari Zenovka
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12-15-2008 20:43
From: Oryx Tempel
Other people's kids are great. Most of the time. Sometimes. Rarely. I rest my case. ;)


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Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 20:44
From: Scott Savira
I find it insanely bizarre to say the least. I have less of a problem with hardcore SL bondage than I do this. It's just, that cute 5 year old kid is really an adult pretending to be a 5 year old kid. It's.... weird. Plus, the last time I saw a couple with a kid they were all dancing together with their 2 year old at a mature club. Okay, I understand that the kid is really an adult, but the language and content of the surroundings was not appropriate. If it had been real life they would have been smacked and told to be more responsible.

I find it extremely awkward to be around SL couples who bring their kid's along and I know I'm not the only one. Eh, but to each their own I guess.


I could not agree more, I think it's insanely bizarre too. I mean really, adults adopting adults who are pretending to be kids……… now surely to god I’ve heard it all.

And how is it a responsibility when all you have to do is log off or check the box so they can’t even see your line.

I find it really hard to comprehend this roleplay, I think it's really weird!
Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 20:50
From: Jedi Quintessa
i thought kids arnt allowed to be in sl are they adults pretenting to be kids?


Yes that's exactly what they are, adults pretending to be kids, you have to be 18, I think, to on the grid. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 20:53
From: Bella Posaner
I could not agree more, I think it's insanely bizarre too. I mean really, adults adopting adults who are pretending to be kids……… now surely to god I’ve heard it all.

And how is it a responsibility when all you have to do is log off or check the box so they can’t even see your line.

I find it really hard to comprehend this roleplay, I think it's really weird!


Phew - someone agrees with me. Now I can go to bed and leave arguments to you.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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12-15-2008 20:53
From: Jig Chippewa
I have a question about kids in sl - are they mainly all adopted or are there islands of these people liek there are theme sims for other people? I really know very little about the child avats in sl.


Well, I couldn't give you a "ratio" or anything like that. There are many, many kid avs who are adopted, but there are also areas, numerous whole sims that are kid-av centric, where kid avs hang out by themselves, away from adult avs; and these two groups are not mutually-exclusive. Many kids are "adopted" the way I am - there are adult avs that address them as "family", but otherwise the relationship is mainly friendly rather than familial, so they don't spend all their time on SL with their family. There are kid avs who are truly "roleplaying", who act like kids 100% of the time; there are kid avs who are kid avs simply because that's the way they want to look right now for whatever reason, and otherwise don't really "roleplay" kids. And, there's all degrees in between (I tend to consider myself mostly towards the latter).

There are kid-av "groups", and communities. There's activities, and theme locations, shops and even whole malls. And just like any other group on Second Life, there's plenty of politics and drama, too. Perhaps that's the ultimate proof that kid avs really are quite typical adults.

As for the notion and procedure of "adoption", well - we call it adoption for lack of a better term, really. How else would you describe a relationship where a five-year-old, for instance, suddenly starts "living with" a set of parents she's never met before? In RL, it's true that adoptions are not always happy affairs, and the fact that a kid is available for adoption at all is usually a pretty good indicator that something very wrong has happened in that kid's life. But in SL, we can fly, and teleport. It's not RL, and by and large when kids look to be adopted by parents, they're not wanting to roleplay being the victims of a tragedy. In SL, kids can be available for adoption just because they want to be, without necessarily having been hurt at some point, and all the extraneous details simply don't matter. Their world, their imagination.
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Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 20:55
From: Jig Chippewa
Phew - someone agrees with me. Now I can go to bed and leave arguments to you.

Nooo, don't feed me to the wolves!
Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 20:58
Any kid AV's willing to say how old they are in RL?
Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 20:59
From: Bella Posaner
Nooo, don't feed me to the wolves!


These wolves just wanna adopt you!
Seriously I was working out I could be "adopting" someone who could be THREE times my age. Which is surreal.
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12-15-2008 21:00
From: Avawyn Muircastle
I still disagree that SL is ALL fantasy. There's a real person there your making a commitment too. Someone who thinks you are going down the same SL path as them and that you are partnered, in love, or a family. In other words, that you are reliable. These are relationships you are taking about, whether internet only are not.

I also say SL is different for everyone. For me, it's a business and social networking platform, and possibly the wave of the future. For instance, families could have family reunions or virtual weddings which are a lot cheaper than perhaps the cost of one or two plane tickets.

Some people aren't as good at understanding roleplay as others. And some just do a minor role play here and there but prefer to have an interesting IM chat with depth whether about world events, the arts, history, politics, what love is, whatever... Some people prefer to be on a private one to one IM and they aren't roleplaying even thought may appear to be to others.

Oh, and if you can't pronounce my name, just call me Ava. My name is Ava for short.
In this sense, I agree completely. I meant more along the lines of most of the things that we do in SL. A relationship here can be all RP or it can be a step towards a RL permanent relationship and/or everything in between. If you partner in SL however, it is still a form of RP, though very symbolic to many. To me, adoption is similar to that. There is a real relationship there, but it is a RP in that you are not *really* adopting a child.
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Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 21:05
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Until you have had a rl child yourself you are in absolutely no position to claim *ANY* expertise at all.

Pep (My wife is twice your age, works in that field and she comes to me for answers)

Oh what bollix, I don't have kids in RL and I can see the point, this has nothing to do with having kids in RL or not.
Bella Posaner
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12-15-2008 21:06
From: Jig Chippewa
These wolves just wanna adopt you!
Seriously I was working out I could be "adopting" someone who could be THREE times my age. Which is surreal.

Oh no apparently it's normal and you and I are nuts.
Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 21:10
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Well, I couldn't give you a "ratio" or anything like that. There are many, many kid avs who are adopted ... In SL, kids can be available for adoption just because they want to be, without necessarily having been hurt at some point, and all the extraneous details simply don't matter. Their world, their imagination.


Thanks for he careful description. Okay NOW another question. Do you all kinda "mingle" -I mean you look like a teenager as far as I recall. Or is that a different "sect"? You must understand that some people really have a hard time with the notion. Even a person taking on the role of a parent and adopting anoher person is so strange to many of us. And, let's face it, kid avats are some of teh prickliest members of sl out there so its hard to even discuss child issues without combative stances being taken.
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Czari Zenovka
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12-15-2008 21:10
From: Brenda Connolly
No it's not. They're just the old people's alts........


Which one is Trout?

I miss his posts :(
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Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 21:11
From: Bella Posaner
Oh no apparently it's normal and you and I are nuts.


Maybe we should adopt each other and kinda cancel each other out :)
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12-15-2008 21:14
From: Jig Chippewa
My point is taht its really NOT adoption is it? I mean I am sitting here wondering about this in my real life and I am wondering what all this fuss is about. What am I missing here? How can you adopt a person at least over 18? In my case teh adoptee would prolly be older than me! And I am sure that NO adoption agency in sl is qualified as a real adoption agency in real. I think we role play a bit to much when we "play" with this issue that is sensitive enough in real life.
I know somethign about adoption in reality. I have a few friends who were adopted or fostered. It's just not a thing I would imagine anyone would want to imitate here coz its so gruelling and complex and ... well, you know.


Many dont want SL and RL to be the same.... would calling it bagel sharing be better than adopting? Hardly, we call it what fits the closest. as far as when Im in SL Im 7.... Im not my RL age, so yes I was adoptable age. Play is supposed to be fun, is it always? nope b ut it certainly should be. Its only sensitive if one makes it so. Should a large portion of SL life be all about drama? Nope again, but it is. Its not been grueling or complex for me and the reason being I wont allow it to be. Im still about having fun in SL, not creating a carbon copy of my RL :)
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Jig Chippewa
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12-15-2008 21:14
I really am off to bed. Its a gentle rain on teh Atlantic coast and Jethro Tull is on my stereo. Goodnight to all of you.
Adoption! Lol!! Roffle!
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Jedi Quintessa
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12-15-2008 21:30
do the kid avs have sex because that would make it abnormal?

serious question i would like to know
Dakota Tebaldi
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12-15-2008 21:36
From: Jig Chippewa
Thanks for he careful description. Okay NOW another question. Do you all kinda "mingle" -I mean you look like a teenager as far as I recall. Or is that a different "sect"? You must understand that some people really have a hard time with the notion. Even a person taking on the role of a parent and adopting anoher person is so strange to many of us. And, let's face it, kid avats are some of teh prickliest members of sl out there so its hard to even discuss child issues without combative stances being taken.


No, I don't have a teenage av. I'm more of a tweener, I guess (if that's the word these days).

But to answer your question...I would say there are "cliques" among kid avs. Groups of friends, whose composition may or may not be homogenous. Anyone can attest that I don't spend as much time in the kid-centric groups and places as most other kids seem to, so take it with a grain of salt...but in my slight experience, it seems to me that GENERALLY, girls tend to hang with girls, and boys tend to hang with boys, although there are occasional exceptions.

As for being prickly - well, as a group, kid avs often feel a little repressed or discriminated against, for reasons I'm sure you'll agree are kind of obvious (although again, in my opinion, the true "danger" is a bit exaggerated usually - YMMV).
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Gabriele Graves
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12-15-2008 21:38
From: Jig Chippewa
Dont dismiss me coz you dont approve of my ideas or that I dont share your sense of humour. Rowan Atkinson and Clive Dunn simply wouldnt approve of that.
In reality I am not, it seems more that you home in on something harmless and want to make those who participate feel bad when in fact it is very innocent.
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12-15-2008 21:47
From: Jedi Quintessa
do the kid avs have sex because that would make it abnormal?

serious question i would like to know


Most dont but I can not speak for all child avs.... Im a child av to avoid sexual things in SL and its worked out great for me
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Shelley Galicia
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12-15-2008 21:50
From: Bella Posaner
Any kid AV's willing to say how old they are in RL?


49.

Surprised? Just curious where the question would lead to or what you were expecting.
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12-15-2008 21:58
From: Toy LaFollette
Im a child av to avoid sexual things in SL and its worked out great for me


I don't mean to pry, and I'm not actually asking for information. But it seems disingenuous to say that Avoiding Sexual Things is 'the' reason for having a child avatar.

I mean, there's no difficulty in avoiding sexual things in SL. It's quite easy--just don't go to places with 'XXX' or body parts in the description. Couldn't be simpler, really.
Dakota Tebaldi
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12-15-2008 22:05
From: Bella Posaner
Any kid AV's willing to say how old they are in RL?


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