lindens latest blog: dob a neighbour

That's "Miss"... but you aren't the only one getting confused.

I don't see my view as discriminatory at all. If it was discriminatory, I'd be banning one type of pixel sex and allowing others. I'm not discriminatory at all - I'd have them all out if I had a chance.

PG land? We looked for months before settling on a good plot enclosed by Linden road on 3 sides, and it's on "Mature". That is, I believe, acceptable if the hoped for change of keeping 'adult' activity away on 'adult rated' land comes about. Contrary to what you may think, I'm not a prude wanting to have Disney Life, but there are some things I feel just don't belong in Second Life.

Broccoli

As to point 1 above...saying if you don't like it you can quit is quite differnt than saying I don't like you get out...^_^

..and as to point 2..I don't recall mentioning any religion...do you mean that the Inquistion was organized and carried out by a religious organization? I'm appalled!! At least I can sleep soundly in my bed now knowing that the civilized world rose up and wiped that religion off the face of the earth...which one was it...the Aztec one..the Mayan..?

Nobody expects the SL Inquistion.
(With apologies to Monty Python)

So you don't see as holding rules and enforcing them based on your own narrow worldview as discriminatory? Wow you are thick.



And you later stated that your just too entrenched to move now. Right. If your talking about stratics I've seen your numbers already, I don't think losing those 2 people out of the 18 that show up per day is really going to hurt the image of things.



We already had a way of doing that, it was called mature, but since now we're having to even categorize it more because someones afraid they may see tits while wandering a red light district. And as long as you stick to your little PG land, whats going on my land may as well NOT be happening in SL as far as you are concerned eh? Just like me having sex in my bedroom in real life has no appreciable affect on you wherever the hell you are.

Exactly, and thats what these jack booted thugs fail to understand. They are telling other folks they HAVE to leave. We're just giving them the option.

Serves me right for forgetting that this is an Irony Free Zone. I meant the "Oh, gee..." preface to be a hint, but satire can be hard to detect in a posting, I realize. For what it's worth, I didn't intend to accuse "the German"s of anything in my response. Rather, I was trying to make a kind of reductio ad absurdum argument about the inherent risks of banning fictional content. I'm genuinely sorry if it was taken as derogatory toward Germans or any other group.

no one is saying that what happened with the child porn is ok. let's get that clered up. matter of fact. i do rememeber several ARs(i was one myself) that went out reporting it when it first reared its head. LL chose to ignore it.

so all this posturing about:

"our community has made it clear to us that certain types of content and activity are simply not acceptable in any form. real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depiction of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors; real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of sexual violence including rape, real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of extreme or graphic violence, and other broadly offensive content are never allowed or tolerated within Second Life."

is a load.

LL is not bowing to the will of the residents, its bowign to the power of the press and its investors. so please before You get up thier and lump ALL Fetishes, into a single catagory because Your sensabilities were, and forgive me for using a now over done phrase, broadly offended, means its time for you to walk away. i am for getting rid of pedophiles, i am for censoring all those for the sake of a good press release. you fail to realise, that SL was supposed to be "Imagined, Created and owned by its Residents" not beaten into submission by a moral right who allow thier own RL issues to color thier decisions and or opinions regarding this.

and as for SL being here when we wake up? thats up to LL. as long as they continue to release buggy new content on top of old buggy content.

i believe you've hit it right square on the head Brenda! So here is what i say... S@#%W your stinking corporate and political cesspools ll! i'll NOT pay a friggin cent to view, hear, smell or even know that discusting garbage even exists!!! To me that s#@t is the real pornography and i find it EXTREALLY offensive! So how exaclty do you file an AR again? LOL

(I know this is off topic so I'll keep it short)

For the same reason all other countries believe US citizens are what is portrayed on TV.

People have been banned from these forums for being less insulting, I suggest you be careful. But do pelase remember one thing... these are not MY RULES, they are the rules Linden Lab have chosen to apply to THEIR world. Everyone has their own 'narrow world view', such as yours being totally incapable of comprehending the fact that people have different standards of acceptability as you do.


We get plenty of visitors and lurkers both to the forums and our land thanks, and you don't know "our numbers" unless you happen to be a member of senior Stratics staff - which I don't think you are for one minute. Like Second Life's actual real account numbers, its information we would not share with third parties.

Broccoli

"Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions." -- Alan Barth


good day Miss

"Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions." -- Alan Barth

Why do people insist on putting irrelevant quotes from obscure people that most of us have never heard of?

Is it because they don't have anything worth saying themselves?

Broccoli

"Off with their heads shouted the Red Queen..." Is that your answer to all problems? "Quick Bob...thos kids are on our lawn again...call the police!!" ^_^

Ah..in order to be relevant..you must be famous...and in order to be famous, you must be known by a prominent vegetable....^_^

"People who are very aware that they have more knowledge than the average person are often very unaware that they do not have one-tenth of the knowledge of all of the average persons put together. In this situation, for the intelligentsia to impose their notions on ordinary people is essentially to impose ignorance on knowledge." -- Dr. Thomas Sowell

or maybe this:

"Virtually no idea is too ridiculous to be accepted, even by very intelligent and highly educated people, if it provides a way for them to feel special and important. Some confuse that feeling with idealism." -- Dr. Thomas Sowell


or perhaps this will get my point across:

"Never allow anyone who's never worked in the real world, who could only get a government job or teaching job, tell you how to run your life -- or how to think about it." -- Dan Skinner

the point of the matter is this: Your secondlife is exclusive and elitist, containign only those who agree, and or comply with YOUR version. many others SL contains the right to choose HOW to live THIER second life accordign to THIER morals and ultimatly the consenquences of that choice. to lump all because of the actiosn of a few is wrong. a fact that you and your SL has not accepted. if you do not want sex in yoru SL stay away from and do not participate in it. but sont you dare hide behind the cover of jouranlist while doin it.

"Lowest common denominator" as a phrase does not always imply a moral judgment, and I didn't mean it to - sorry. What I mean is that it's the "most basic form" of role-play that both parties consent to - not any moral statement.



No, I very well know that SL isn't a combat MMORPG. But I also know that many people here want to "role-play" - which they might well describe as "living their dreams or fantasies". And for many people, somehow better than other people is part of that dream or fantasy. They want to be on the stage, on the catwalk, be beautiful, be famous, etc. The problem is that if that's the case, someone else has to be worse than you. (Being on the stage or catwalk doesn't mean very much if no-one is in the audience; and no matter how good you look, if you look the same as everyone else, then your looks are average.) But since that probably is not the other person's dream, unless something motivates them to do it they won't be interested. On MMORPGs, the leveling-up system is used to pace this kind of thing over time, but SL doesn't have any equivalent.



No, LL sells the world we've built. Remember, LL sell L$ via Supply Linden. The main value of L$ for a non-landowner is to consume content that other people have built.

And it could be well argued, in court or elsewhere, that LL know full well about all the porn in their platform, and thus know that some people are buying L$ from Supply Linden in order to purchase porn with it. The fact that LL didn't put the porn there themselves is irrelevant, they know it is there and are making money from its presence.



By "your own server" I mean one that isn't connected to LL at all - an OpenSim server, in other words. When you buy a Private Island, you get an explicit statement and warning that you are *not* buying the server.



In the sense that MySpace is First Life, yes. But the problem is, as popularity figures are showing, First Life almost always wins out anyway - because as humans we're simply wired to know when things are real or not, and to respect real things far more. You already can't build in SL unless you have artistic ability in First Life and the introduction of Voice will tilt things even further in that direction. And given the above restriction, that you can't be better than other people unless you a) are a better artist or programmer IRL or b) are having sex with them, there's a lot less scope for building a truly seperate Second Life anyway.



The problem is that if I am in Cleveland, then I am not at the same time in a different place that may have different laws to Cleveland and may prosecute me for looking at things in Cleveland. In Second Life, I'm in my RL country at the same time.

Again I'm sorry for the confusion with my use of "lowest common denominator". It sounds like you're saying what I was trying to say - that sex becomes the most basic form of mutually consensual role-play because both partners probably have a basic drive to be involved in it.

And yes, online sex in almost all cases is role-play.



And I'm not saying there should be any removal of role-playing. I'm saying that sex is often used as a vehicle for role-playing - and that I've seen originally non-sexual role-players drawn into sex because it was the only way to get things to work.

Nope, that sounds like a Prok quote.

Try someone actually well known, like Elvis or John Lennon or someone.

Broccoli

I'd say it all is, as you aren't actually physically touching the person it can only be pretend.

Broccoli

im sorry my SL doesnt not allow the use of sarcasm, i shall be ARing you for this as it is braodly offensive to my right to a free and clean SL.

Okay from my vantage - you are mixing and matching definitions of role play. People who are not really into "Role Playing" .. do "play pretend" (roleplaying) in order to have cybersex. But it doesnt mean they are Role Players in the classic sense. Just like Phone sex doesnt.



This sounds like you are saying people want to Roleplay so bad they only way they can manage to get started is engaging in cybersex, which they really didnt want.

I know from other threads you see all of Second Life as Role Playing - however many people do not. Many have a narrower definition of what consititutes Roleplay - and that involves pretending to be someone who they are not.

"Who's been painting my roses red? WHO'S BEEN PAINTING MY ROSES RED? Who dares to taint With vulgar paint The royal flower bed? For painting my roses red Someone will lose his head."

"Your Majesty, indeed...why, you're not a queen, but just a--a fat, pompous, bad-tempered, old ty!--tyrant."

Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll

If you feel that you are doing something that is illegal in your country, by all means do what you think is necessary to protect yourself...right up to not doing it. Do not, however, expect me to feel constrained to feel or act the same way. If I were in China it would be illegal for me to visit certain websites, and if I proxied my way around the restrictions I would be liable to prosecution. This does not mean that Google should block those sites from your view (assuming that you are not living in China..^_^), and you would probably be rightfully upset if they did so because the Chinese government wanted them to. I would rather err on the side of the least restrictive VIRTUAL world rather than the most restrictive one.


Nobody expects the SL Inquisition...

I know that "role playing" is a term that's subject to horrible definition difficulties, but I couldn't think of a better one

But what I'm talking about by "role playing" is adopting a role in Second Life that does not correspond to themselves in First Life. A builder or artist, for example, is not roleplaying because the First Life person is doing the building or creating the art. On the other hand, a model is roleplaying because the First Life person isn't one.

Roleplaying doesn't just mean playing D&D.



That's right.



Well, um, that is my definition - and thus any desire to "make Second Life different from real life" involves role-playing.

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