lindens latest blog: dob a neighbour

I personally think that it's fine to want them to keep it out of pg areas anything sexually explicit should be like that. It's called respect, but I was under the impression that they are thinking of banning these things completely. My bad if that is not the case.

where in that blog does it say that these policies apply to only the mainland and PG areas? Thats the main problem; its intentionally vague and open to any Joe-blows interpretation.

That's the impression given, although it may not have been intended that way on the blog.

Adult stuff is going to go on regardless of whether it's banned or not. You'll never get it off of the grid. All that can be done is that it is restricted to areas marked as "adult content", reachable only by verification.

Unfortunately, with no Linden input apart from the original blog entry, all we can do is speculate, guess and argue - which achieves nothing.

Broccoli

Not your bad at all, Izzy. The way the blog posting is worded, LL most definitely gives the impression they're moving toward the total elimination of "offensive" content...AND are calling on residents to actively engage in reporting any such content.

Trouble is...their definition of that offensive content happens to impinge on what a number of consenting adults are enjoying in various sims.

In the realm of language, corporate communications is a surgical tool. It should not be wielded lightly, or without due consideration for the impact of its use.

Any misunderstandings of such an ill-conceived and released communication fall squarely into the lap of LL, and no one else.

The blog actually says "Please help us to keep Second Life a safe and welcoming space by continuing to notify Linden Lab about locations in-world that are violating our Community Standards regarding broadly offensive and potentially illegal content."

Now, on face value this could mean notify Linden Labs only about violations of the Community Standards which state that broadly offensive material is not allowed in PG areas but is allowed in mature areas. Given that Daniel Linden has said elsewhere that this is not a change in policy, this may very well be the case.

However, it can also be taken to mean no broadly offensive content (not just sexual) anywhere, and the preceding paragraph in the blog supports this. This howver is a major change in policy and people are worried about this.

More worryingly in the vigilante aspect the whole blog encourages. People with short avatars have already encountered being accused of age play, when they had no intention of age play, they just wanted a more realistic height! The blog has just opened the floodgates.

If I'm seen wearing my kilt in a public place will I get ARed by someone who thinks I'm wearing a skirt and regards transvestism as sexually deviant and "broadly offensive", and the following day I find myself locked out of SL entirely?

Even those who don't engaged in pixel sex, are worried that an action may be misintepreted or misrepresented resulting in a summary ban.

That is the paranoia, Daniel Linden has caused with his blog post, and SL feels far from safer at the moment.

I was told to sign a petition here, dont see one but I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. The Blog is rather vague and grey, we need a clear clut definition by the Lindens of what is ok and not ok. Is Gor OK? it features (fantasy) rape and force collaring. By concenting individuals so its not REAL RAPE. you cannot rape the willing. you cannot force collar someone online. Anyone can TP away or log off. its a game! played by adults!

I heard that a sim was closed down (Abusers and Victims) because of the rape theme. if that was the reason why is Hard Alley still going? or many others? whatever is done needs to be fair and even handed. Are they afraid of the group power of the Gor sims? if you ban rape role-play then you MUST ban Gor sims, else you are playing favorites.

I am for a FREE SL, I support freedom of expression, freedom of thought, freedom for concenting adults to do what they want in private/designated areas.

If SL cracks down on the adult community they will destroy SL. Adults come to SL to experiment with things they wouldnt do RL or cant do RL and they spend a LOT of money to do so.

But there's also a lot of people here spending a lot of money and being very successful with "non adult" activities too.

Broccoli

And there is plenty of room for all.

And no one's infringing on their right to do so.

Well I'd just like for someone like Robin Linden to actually, you know, make a clarification blog post to actually say what was meant instead of some PR jockey.

Just recieved an update from a BDSM group I'm in and well... the witch hunt is on. People are already threatening even sim owners with AR's for content they find offensive on their land. I'm sorry if you read the description on the land and you don't think you'd not like it... DON'T GO THERE.

This is nothing but a Linden Sponsored Griefing Tool.

Supposedly taking pics and video of other residents without their permission is against the TOS but Daniel Linden condones it. And who the hell is Daniel Linden really?

The TOS has not been changed... but really if you don't like it don't go there. What me and my girls do in our own home is none of your damn business if they dind't want to be there they'd not be. It's that simple.

And no one is moving to portray them as criminals, vilify their behavior as "deviant", or remove them from the grid.

There's also no call for people to actively assist in keeping SL safe by alerting the great and poweful that such horrifying "non-adult" content is being allowed to fester in places where the unwary may innocently stumble.

When all the Mature Sims have become PG, and all the content, land and islands formerly occupied by the various BDSM groups have been confiscated; when the servers that maintain those now superfluous properties and inventories go silent and the employees who are themselves now superlflous begin collecting unemployment; when the free members outnumber the paying members by an order of magnitude and still expect a functioning environment in which to play checkers and tiddlywinks, for god forbid a teenager would ever think about sex, won't Linden Labs be a shining beacon, an example for all those who would stand up and say each individual must be responsible for themselves?

RL pictures/depictions should not be allowed... pixels are stacks of dots on a screen, the people behind the keyboards build these stacks to suit their needs or wants simple as that, kiddie porn even in pixels maybe should be banned but if I want to wander about nekkid in my private home on my personally owned proerty I will and do... as in RL if you dont like it dont look... this is like going to a nude beach and being shocked and offended by the fact we wear no clothes.

Except that nothing is done in SL without consent unless MAYBE its just the thought of such behavior is what you find offensive. I can't force you to hop on that sex poseball, any more than I can drag you kicking and screaming into a mature rated SIM. If you want to stick you head in the sand, fine. Do it in some nice Disney themed area where you don't have to worry about hearing those nasty comments or see half-dressed women running around. Its as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

you mean think before jumping in and telling me HOW DARE YOU, what a concept, I don't care if or where you go to church, I do care that mature areas be left to the mature people that choose to play there

Does anyone remember the Poser site Renderosity, It really supported BDSM in both Characters, Poses, Props and Art untill it became so popular that it could afford to go "respectable". Then it closed all it's doors on not just BDSM and sex, but even nudity was banned on some pages. Now its a mundane vanilla site, unfortunately it has had no real opposition from other sites. Lets hope if they do throw us out that another site will be opened up that has more balls than LL

my god i am so sick of reading shit about kiddie porn. really, how many of you have actually seen this kiddie porn in world? the way some of you are carrying one could think its rife, posted on adplots and dispensed from vendors. enough of the kiddie porn justification.
KIDDIE PORN IS BAD! we all know that and accept that. nobody here has defended child pornography or suggested its a-ok to have kiddie porn inworld.

I remember. I was there.

There're comparable sites for poser users, though. There is no comparable area for the kinked in SL to flee to should this become a pogrom.

there is renderotica, and they do not allow kiddy porn, or "fairies"or other supernatural beans that have the appearance of a child but are over 9000 years old

And the Alleged perpetrators were thrown out. A Happy Ending I think.

I had some supernatural beans for supper yesterday. Kept me up all night.

Better ban tinies, feral avatar younglings, and dragon hatchlings as well. omg kiddie bestiality. D:

I have a tinie av why should they be banned?

That was... okay, I never thought I'd have to mark that with sarcasm. -.-

There are two Second Lifes. One for kids and one for adults. The one for adults has alot of things, jsut as the real worl ddoes. And secondlife is the real world recreated. People are living out their 'second life" and doing all the things here they cannot do in real life. That includes sexual fantasies. I agree with the issue of 'rape' but come people! WHO is pulling your puppet strings?

Linden Labs, kiss your world goodbye, all that inflow of money good bye if you start controlling the Adult side like this. If two consensual adults are in a sim playing out their fantasies who does that hurt? Sure, one may be ROLEPLAYING a submissive or, they may be ROLEPLAYING being a Nascar driver who just won a race and took a groupie home for some fun. Both people spend time hree living out their fantasies, living loving, Spending MONEY and enjoying themselves.

It is simple you have already covered your butss. If someone is offended they can leave. If they dont like a person they can mute them. No one can make them stay anywhere or go anywhere. Plain and simple. Do not do this or kiss a HUGE portion of your people goodbye.


Mynieli Jamberoo

Mynieli at this point though boycotting spending only hurts the content creators, what LLs sells now is us as the consumer. for ads. to corporations. But I think you are right if we cease to log in that will hurt LL

Agreed. Don't punish fellow residents. Take action that will affect LL and their Corporate Puppetmasters. Any sim or business connected with a RL Corporation will not get my business or even attendance.