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errUh Oh
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06-03-2007 04:14
im female in real life as well. Who cares. People acting like control freaks and other residents in emotional hysterics both need to wake up and realize those are your personal issues. It has nothing to do with the rest of us. Sorry you live in fear of anything you dont understand. Sorry you feel shocked and unsafe and so terribly concerned. But guess what forums arent supposed to be used for your therapy. There isnt anarchy. There is alot of freedom and creativity that you wanna smudge out but there isnt anarchy. No one is being hurt in sl other then the people you are persecuting.
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Qie Niangao
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06-03-2007 04:17
And what gives you the right to decide what everyone else thinks? Think whatever you like, but STFU and *listen* long enough to give an alternative viewpoint an airing. Congratulations on insulting Germany and quite a few other places actually. Oh, gee, are the Germans burning books again, starting with Nabokov? Or is it just the creation of new art that you think they've outlawed? And which would be worse? To be honest, I hate to be in the position of defending anything as absurd as "child-avatar sex"--but if Lolita is banned today, can Pale Fire be far behind? |
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Broccoli Curry
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Join date: 13 Jun 2006
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06-03-2007 04:23
Think whatever you like, but STFU and *listen* long enough to give an alternative viewpoint an airing. Actually the "alternative viewpoint" to mine is getting plenty of airing, I'm just here to help balance things out. Sorry you don't like it, but this is the downside of a democracy - not everyone agrees with you. By the way, if you are liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content. Broccoli _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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06-03-2007 04:26
By the way, if you are liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content. Broccoli You just avoid it Broccoli, like you can on the internet. The most innocent of searches can bring up adult content but you read the blurb and don't go there. SL can work the same way. |
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Ciaran Laval
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06-03-2007 04:29
To be honest, I hate to be in the position of defending anything as absurd as "child-avatar sex"--but if Lolita is banned today, can Pale Fire be far behind? I think they're right to ban child avatar sex, it's not being depicted for anything more than paedophile fantasy. If however someone was running a play in SL that had suggestions of child abuse as part of its storyline but didn't actually go into explicit detail, then I'd feel it was a portrayal that might have some merit. As for banning Lolita, it's totally and utterly absurd. It demonises the story all over again, I thought that all stopped back in the sixties ...before even I was born but the literary merits or debates of the story have a place in an adult world and this is supposedly an adult word. |
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Broccoli Curry
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06-03-2007 04:36
You just avoid it Broccoli, like you can on the internet. The most innocent of searches can bring up adult content but you read the blurb and don't go there. SL can work the same way. It's not "going to it" that's the problem... you're right, that can easily be avoided if the landowner is responsible enough to label their plot appropriately - but its when "it" comes to you. I've landed in our sandbox before to find someone has rezzed a house, and are pixel humping away there on open chat. Needless to say, a quick click of 'auto return' left them stuck in mid-stroke wondering what had happened. If they'd even just kept it in IM, then I'd probably have just ignored them and hoped they went away soon - but when it's broadcast for all to hear, then I'm sorry but that is not acceptable to me in a public area. I've also been to regular malls and you see a 'master and slave' in full leather gear, or on a leash. That's not acceptable in a public area either. If you wouldn't walk down the street doing/wearing it in real life, or wouldn't say/do/wear it in front of your grandmother... then keep it private, not on public display. *That* is what I hope the blog post is reinforcing, although Daniel's writing skill does seem to leave a lot to be desired. I really wish I could figure out why Linden Lab make these kind of announcements, then disappear for the weekend without anyone monitoring or responding to allay the mass hysteria that follows. Broccoli _____________________
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errUh Oh
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06-03-2007 04:37
"By the way, if you are liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content."
Because the entire platform of SL doesnt belong to you Broccoli. There are nearly 50000 other residents and alot of them have their own piece of it. You can play world leader pretend on your piece and control everything there. But i will slap your hand away if you try to take my piece too. |
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Broccoli Curry
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06-03-2007 04:40
Because the entire platform of SL doesnt belong to you Broccoli. There are nearly 50000 other residents and alot of them have their own piece of it. You can play world leader pretend on your piece and control everything there. But i will slap your hand away if you try to take my piece too. Did I claim it did? No, not once. Am I entitled to share my views on it? You betcha. So let's get this straight. You want the world your way, not mine. How is that any different from what you're accusing me of? Don't forget, also, that I am not responsible for this Linden policy, never have been, probably never will. Yell abuse at the Lindens for their decision if you want, but please don't keep attacking me for agreeing with them. Broccoli _____________________
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Matthew Dowd
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06-03-2007 04:52
but when it's broadcast for all to hear, then I'm sorry but that is not acceptable to me in a public area. Agreed, but I've also been to regular malls and you see a 'master and slave' in full leather gear, or on a leash. That's not acceptable in a public area either. If you wouldn't walk down the street doing/wearing it in real life I think that becomes a matter of opinion, and I have seem both in the street in RL btw! If they aren't harrasing people, or displaying far too much of themselves, many wouldn't regard it as unacceptable to see someone on a leash. Of course different rules would apply in a PG area. Some might object to the very high hemline some female avatars wear in public areas (although others probably don't  ) |
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errUh Oh
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06-03-2007 04:58
"how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content."
Thats what you said. I didnt put words in your mouth. "You want the world your way, not mine." I never said anything of the kind. I said "You can play world leader pretend on your piece and control everything there. But i will slap your hand away if you try to take my piece too." Which means you do what you want in your space and i do what i want in mine. My space isnt your space. And your space isnt mine (assuming you even pay tier or own land in SL) Public spaces . . We can share those areas. If we both use our manners and follow ToS then whats the problem? You can AR anyone that is violating ToS. But that was the system we already had in place. If those rules arent being enforced that is a different topic that can be addressed. "Yell abuse at the Lindens for their decision if you want, but please don't keep attacking me for agreeing with them." You keep making this statement to me but im not even remotely confused about it. Im aware you are not responsible for the Linden policy. Nor do i think you have any power to influence their decisions. |
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Qie Niangao
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06-03-2007 04:58
I think they're right to ban child avatar sex, it's not being depicted for anything more than paedophile fantasy. If however someone was running a play in SL that had suggestions of child abuse as part of its storyline but didn't actually go into explicit detail, then I'd feel it was a portrayal that might have some merit. Yeah, you're probably right about most such depictions being created for, uh, prurient gratification. I just find that motivation so silly that I probably don't give it enough consideration. But the problem of what is art and what is pr0n is thorny... and the Linden's "broadly offensive" formulation may be as good as any... but as we know from history, "broadly" must be much more of a consensus than a mere *majority*, or little yellow-skinned avatars like mine had better run for the hills. As for banning Lolita, it's totally and utterly absurd. It demonises the story all over again, I thought that all stopped back in the sixties ...before even I was born but the literary merits or debates of the story have a place in an adult world and this is supposedly an adult word. Okay, I was being elliptical with the Nabokov analogies, but let's take the Pale Fire side for a moment. Google had this problem with Thailand: it's illegal to say anything bad about the king. So, imagine I want to set up a sim in SL that envisions a republican Thailand without a monarchy. Now, I don't really care if IP addresses originating in Thailand can't reach that sim (unfortunate though that may be) but it would be a sad compromising of a virtual world if such a sim could not exist at all. |
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Latonia Lambert
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06-03-2007 05:01
I want to ask a question I asked on another thread - why does an adult male want to have sex with a supposedly female child av of, say, age 6, if they don't have paedophile tendencies?
I guess LL will be trawling through all the chat and IMs they record in world and will deal with those who they deem unacceptable in due course. |
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errUh Oh
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06-03-2007 05:15
I want to ask a question I asked on another thread - why does an adult male want to have sex with a supposedly female child av of, say, age 6, if they don't have paedophile tendencies? I guess LL will be trawling through all the chat and IMs they record in world and will deal with those who they deem unacceptable in due course. I suggested reasons in the other thread but i guess you didnt read what i said about it. |
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Ciaran Laval
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06-03-2007 05:19
I've also been to regular malls and you see a 'master and slave' in full leather gear, or on a leash. That's not acceptable in a public area either. If it's on PG land then you probably have a point, however if the mall is in a mature area then I don't see the issue. There are fetish markets that appear every now and then in the UK, they are 18+ environments, they will have items such as the one's you suggest and as this is supposedly an 18+ playground, then we're not talking about your regular mall type rules here. As for people doing naughty deeds in your sandbox, you have every right to kick their butts....as long as it's not too graphically violent of course |
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Nina Stepford
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06-03-2007 06:34
social engineering at its slimiest.
this thought has been on my mind also since page 3 of this thread. You know... the thought has occured to me that since there was resistance to the age verification recently proposed that this could be just a tactic to present something else soooo grossly unacceptable that the afore mentioned age verification becomes much more acceptable by the masses. Kind of like when people bitch about gas prices being $2 a gallon (US measures) as outrageous.... so they up it to $3.50/gallon to make people "happy" when it's back to $2.50. |
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Nina Stepford
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06-03-2007 08:09
leave this thread alone.
it is mine. dont lock, dont move, dont interfere, dont aggrivate the situation further. ta. |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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06-03-2007 08:25
*BLAAT* John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a sotto voce violation of the verbal morality statute....
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Brenda Connolly
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06-03-2007 08:52
*BLAAT* John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a sotto voce violation of the verbal morality statute....  A vastly underrated movie in my opinion._____________________
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Jorus Xi
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06-03-2007 08:59
I say we flood the AR queue with AR's. Someone showing some ankle? Offensive. Ugly face? Offensive. No underwear? Offensive. Driving a vehicle without a license? Offensive. Bling? Griefs my eyes.
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reed Tweak
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06-03-2007 09:50
what ever happend to your world your imagination
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Shinyukie Takakura
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06-03-2007 10:02
By the way, if you are liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content. Because, your world would exclude many, ours includes even you..^_^. And yes..in a virtual (note the adjective here and look up it's meaning if you are confused) world, I am liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, because...and this seems to be the point missed by censors everywhere...IT IS NOT REALLY HAPPENING. LL is well within it's bounds to disallow any pictures or representations brought in to SL depicting RL happenings. Thay are not virtual, were not created here, and have no inherent right to be here. As for anything else, fine...go crazy..if it has been created here it can not possibly do anything to hurt anyone in their normal existance. I am not saying there should be no rules..and in fact..the rules as set down in the Community Standards are quite reasonable. I would not mind if they were even more "liberal", but they are loose enough to allow quite a bit of room. There is really no need for an Inquisition....after all...nobody expects the SL Inqusition.....but..if they really want an Inqusition..SL is the place for it...plenty of places with the proper tools of the trade...and many of the maybe soon to be made empty of inhabitants....ready for the morally correct to move right in and put to their proper use....saving mens souls..... |
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Broccoli Curry
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06-03-2007 10:06
Because, your world would exclude many, ours includes even you..^_^. Except they don't. How many people have said "if you don't like SL being full of sex, just quit"? Quite a few actually. ready for the morally correct to move right in and put to their proper use....saving mens souls..... Now now, how many more times must we tell you that religion has absolutely no bearing on this issue, and was never mentioned once, in the Linden Lab blog post. Broccoli _____________________
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Alyx Sands
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06-03-2007 10:07
Oh, gee, are the Germans burning books again, starting with Nabokov? Or is it just the creation of new art that you think they've outlawed? And which would be worse? To be honest, I hate to be in the position of defending anything as absurd as "child-avatar sex"--but if Lolita is banned today, can Pale Fire be far behind? OI! Please stop saying "the Germans"-we're still speaking about SOME Germans here, those who are actually creating laws....and, as in most countries, make a mess of it. Why does everybody think just because some third-class TV programme (and I actually work in the same city where it is produced...) reports rubbish about SL that EVERY German thinks the same? I used the topic in my English class at uni, and EVERY ONE of my students thought it was rubbish. |
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Alyx Sands
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06-03-2007 10:11
Well it's the fanitical religion types that are the worst the ones that convenently think that they religions rules don't count killing people of other religious denominations, regardless of even if the DEITY is the same even. My grandmother was German but my German is petty bad. But age is affecting my typing and spelling, I'm not aware of any ways to fix it. I appologise for refering to you as a Nazi, it is a result of English upbringing I guess, I will try and find a word to porttray my stong feelings at being picked at for spelling/typing errors without being that extreme in the future. As I really do realise a lot of the German people were real nice people who were just on another side of a war. Apology accepted- I wasn't aware that you really have spelling problems....most people are just too lazy, and that's what I don't like. Believe me, I hate fanaticism of any kind, but I guess most belief systems can be abused to excuse ANYTHING. You can always call me a geeky academic nitpicker-I'd agree with that. Just not the nazi thing...gee, how old ARE you? My grandad actually ran away from the army in WWII... |
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Jorus Xi
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06-03-2007 10:17
By the way, if you are liberal enough to want to allow anyone and anything, how about letting me have "my world, my imagination", which involves SL with a lot less adult content. Broccoli Because their view allows for people of all tastes, and allows people to be there regardless of philisophical bent. Yours is discriminatory and would exclude people based on your narrow minded worldview. And may I suggest a bit oh PG land? Good day sir. |