I don't read the blogs because I'm embarassed for LL everytime I see it.
So do they want us to narc everything we find offensive or just the shit that's illegal in germany?
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06-02-2007 12:49
I don't read the blogs because I'm embarassed for LL everytime I see it.
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06-02-2007 12:51
I don't read the blogs because I'm embarassed for LL everytime I see it. So do they want us to narc everything we find offensive or just the shit that's illegal in germany? ![]() He said it, not me this time. ![]() _____________________
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06-02-2007 12:51
Except that nothing is done in SL without consent unless MAYBE its just the thought of such behavior is what you find offensive. I can't force you to hop on that sex poseball, any more than I can drag you kicking and screaming into a mature rated SIM. If you want to stick you head in the sand, fine. Do it in some nice Disney themed area where you don't have to worry about hearing those nasty comments or see half-dressed women running around. Its as simple as that.
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06-02-2007 13:02
But I can't stop other people coming into public areas, wearing their flexidongs and flopping about all over the place. All I can do is ignore it, or report it. Broccoli Do what i do-laugh at them, REALLY loud with gestures and all, compare the flexi dongs to anything unfavourable you can think of, , take photos so they actually NOTICE and tell them you'll share these with friends because they look just TOO stupid. Has worked for me, and is more fun than AR'ing them....AND works faster. |
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06-02-2007 13:04
Exactly people are responsible for their actions not some diety. When will people learn to SPELL? It's DEITY. They don't do diets in the heavens. And no religion I know of actually says you're not responsible for what you do. Only people who have no real idea about religion say that. INCLUDING people who say they're believers. |
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06-02-2007 13:05
Do what i do-laugh at them, REALLY loud with gestures and all, compare the flexi dongs to anything unfavourable you can think of, , take photos so they actually NOTICE and tell them you'll share these with friends because they look just TOO stupid. Has worked for me, and is more fun than AR'ing them....AND works faster. I do have a "point" animation and a "laugh" sound ... yes, it does work ![]() Broccoli _____________________
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06-02-2007 13:10
Do what i do-laugh at them, REALLY loud with gestures and all, compare the flexi dongs to anything unfavourable you can think of, , take photos so they actually NOTICE and tell them you'll share these with friends because they look just TOO stupid. Has worked for me, and is more fun than AR'ing them....AND works faster. _____________________
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06-02-2007 13:57
THe way i look at it is this , Second life Adult side is suppost to be for adults , Meaning that if you want to rp that you are getting raped, Beaten or even killed then that is your business no one is forceing you, You as an adult know where you are going when you tp to that sim or area so if you dont Like it then stay the Hell out of that type of sim stay on your goodie goodie sim and done ruin it for the rest of us that like to play on these type of sims, The Gorean Sims , The BDSM sims , Vampires , the Hard Core Alleys , Read what the Sim is about before you go to it if you dont agree with what gose on there then DONT GO.. But dont Gripe when you do go there and see what is going on cause you WENT there on your on Free Will , Last time i checked in SL there was a Teleport button that if you dont like what is going on you can teleport to somewhere else But stop the Gripping and Stay off the sims we like
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06-02-2007 14:37
What a drag. Get everybody age verified and install the damn adult button or whatever and toss these moral minority ' we need to protect our values' whistleblowers back to their disney fluff sims. Some folk like being 'BAD' in toontown cus its a cheap thrill doing something that may be illegal and BAD in real life! Some folk enjoy simulating the ultra violence or the rude, lewd and crude. Is fantasy the gateway drug to serial killers and child molesters? If so then MOTHERS MILK IS THE GATEWAY DRUG TO HEROIN. Theres gonna be psycho whackjobs out there who may be influenced by something they have seen in a movie, a game, or that they have interpreted out of a song. Are we saying that since these pyscho whackjobs exist, those of us who are sane cannot be entertained by the 'subjectively subversive' artistic, creative, stuff and fantasies of ourselves or others? If its in a mature sim in an adult prop, and you dont like such things mature and adult, GO THE F*** HOME AND PLAY WITH YER ROBOT DOG! Leave those who just wanna do their own thing, however twisted it may appear to you, alone to do their own thing. Once they parachute onto your roof and start naked line dancing up there with all their friends, then go ahead and bitch about it. Grrrrrrrrr!
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06-02-2007 14:41
What a drag. Get everybody age verified and install the damn adult button or whatever and toss these moral minority ' we need to protect our values' whistleblowers back to their disney fluff sims. _____________________
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06-02-2007 14:47
There are two Second Lifes. One for kids and one for adults. Not for long. You seriously do not think that SL wants to keep their teen audience out of AOL Pointe and Comcastic! Island, do you? It only makes sense that the move to move to a one grid model is in the plans. Mari _____________________
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06-02-2007 15:08
Not for long. You seriously do not think that SL wants to keep their teen audience out of AOL Pointe and Comcastic! Island, do you? It only makes sense that the move to move to a one grid model is in the plans. Mari Thank you. 2 more places for me to avoid. _____________________
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06-02-2007 15:50
BTW, anyone figure out how the rumored Playboy Presence fits in to all this? Playboy will be exempt from everything. They're not going to have playboy flagged as adult. |
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06-02-2007 16:04
When will people learn to SPELL? It's DEITY. They don't do diets in the heavens. And no religion I know of actually says you're not responsible for what you do. Only people who have no real idea about religion say that. INCLUDING people who say they're believers. Thank you Spelling Nazi, and I'm disbeliever in Religion actually, so when I see people saying Oga Boga the Volcano God made them kill 400 people, I know that the problem is too many people have "real" ideas about religion. _____________________
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06-02-2007 16:17
Thank you Spelling Nazi, and I'm disbeliever in Religion actually, so when I see people saying Oga Boga the Volcano God made them kill 400 people, I know that the problem is too many people have "real" ideas about religion. Maybe next time you try READING what I wrote first before you start spouting your wisdom about all Religion Be Evil. Oh and I'm terribly sorry for telling anyone off for bad spelling. I just assumed you were a native speaker. |
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06-02-2007 18:55
Playboy will be exempt from everything. They're not going to have playboy flagged as adult. really? wow. |
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06-02-2007 19:28
really? wow. Playboy has no fear of getting sued and can absolve LL of responsibility. |
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06-02-2007 20:04
Rather than decrying the loss of something they have enjoyed, why can't people be grateful for having had the privilege of experiencing something that perhaps they never should have been able to in the first place?" First, the thread isn't about bashing christians as a whole, however, pointing out various individuals that attempt to control morality like Falwell, Robertson or Bin Laden is indeed relevant to the conversation. There are religious zealots in all religions. It happens that Linden Labs is in the US in which Christianity strives and thats where most of their zelots are. Second: "... why can't people be grateful for having had the priviledge of experiencing something that perhaps they never should have been able to in the first place." Every bit of that quote is exactly the mentality we are talking about. You certainly don't make people want to not bash christians with that statement. I could go on, but it's that kind of statement that put us in the situation we are in now with LL. |
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06-02-2007 20:12
Because my faith is none of your damn business. Religion, politics, those sort of things always end up with one side getting severely bashed by the other side. It becomes biased based on who is what. "Oh, he's a Christian" or "She's a pagan" or whatever. Then instead of being someone, you are a "something" - a typecast. No thank you. Hey.... lets do a little game... "Because [what I do in my bedroom in the privacy of my own sim] is none of your damn business. [People's sexual activities, preferences] those sort of things always end up with one side getting severly bashed by the other side. It becomes biased based on who is what. ["Oh, he's against pixel sex" or "She's into Gor"] or whatever. then instead of being someone, you are "something" - a typecast..." You see... the above is the exact point we are making. What ever cybersex we enjoy isn't anybody's damn business but now our business is being encroached on based upon someone else's guage of morality. |
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06-02-2007 20:27
What about people who have internet radio on their land that plays music with offensive lyrics. I used to have 'the Edge' on my land and occasionally it would come up with music with very nasty lyrics ( I don't just mean the odd F-word, which I can take that sort of thing like water off a duck's back) but stuff about death, kiling and hatred. Is streaming music an issue here - especially as the land / club owner has no idea what tune might be coming up next? This is up to the land owner to fix. IM them. It is also a violation of the already established rules. So nothing needs to change from what is already set up in SL. There is nno need to change anything with the ToS based on the above. |
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06-02-2007 20:33
I totally agree that this is all rather too late in the day. If it had been enforced from day one, the world would be very different than it is now, and not only would the blog post not have been needed, but neither would the outcry from residents have happened. Broccoli The issue most people have is that a majority of the people that made SL a success are the exact people that the blog entry criminalizes. Now that the popularity of SL has become mainstream (kind of makes you wonder how many "mainstream" people out there have these "closet" desires in RL... so what really is "mainstream" afterall?) they look to make money from corporation and not the "perverts" that made them a success in the first place. Question is (and that they probably haven't thought through) is what happens if they slap down their morality laws and then 90% of the population leaves when the next 3D virtual platform comes online where they will not have the same restrictions as SL. My educated guess is there will be a mass exodus and then all of the companies that sought to capitalize on the large potential customer base will suddenly not see potential customers anymore and they will leave too leaving SL an empty husk that will eventually wither and fade away due to it's own folly. |
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06-02-2007 20:43
With respect, I think you all are missing the whole point of this LL exercise. This statement was obviously crafted by the the legal department, and published for one purpose only: to cover their legal asses in lawsuits. No one, least of all LL, realistically expects anyone to turn in their neighbor for "depicting" sexual situations. (I love that word!) But here's what will happen ... LL will find some truly outrageous, egregious, bad actors and kick them out of SL. Not many, but some. This is for the sole purpose of escaping a 'negligence' rap in the (one or many) inevitable lawsuit waiting around the corner. They then can honestly respond: "Look! We published a policy and we are enforcing it. We can't be everywhere but we do what we can!" And as our revered, recently departed Kurt Vonnegut famously said, "And that's the way it goes." I honestly hope you are right. I really do. I think this outcry is needed though in case you are wrong. That way maybe LL will think twice about it. Perhaps... if the outcry wasn't there. They would feel encouraged to enforce such things that were originally touted as a CYA maneuver. |
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06-02-2007 20:53
Accepted, and generally we do... it's when people bring stuff that, according to the blog post, is now not acceptable into the open, into regular areas, into PG areas, that the problems arise. I can simply not verify, and not visit any of the 'adult areas' of Second Life, providing they are properly flagged as they are supposed to be going to. But I can't stop other people coming into public areas, wearing their flexidongs and flopping about all over the place. All I can do is ignore it, or report it. Broccoli Which doesnt require a change to anything that is already established. |
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06-02-2007 21:01
But there's also a lot of people here spending a lot of money and being very successful with "non adult" activities too. Broccoli Which is why they can take resposibility for their own actions and not to go the Mature flagged sims. Keep in mind, for every "dong flapping" av that walks into a PG sim, there's a gun-slingging moral zealot shooting up a strip/escort club. It does go both ways. |
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06-02-2007 21:03
Why are some of you debating among yourselves, boring the rest of us to death with your personal issues, when there is an important issue to discuss? You can always take it to IMs and spare us.
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