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Nina Stepford
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05-31-2007 18:34
it is upon us i believe. how do you take this?
"Please help us to keep Second Life a safe and welcoming space by continuing to notify Linden Lab about locations in-world that are violating our Community Standards regarding broadly offensive and potentially illegal content. Our team monitors such notification 24-hours a day, seven-days a week. Individuals and groups promoting or providing such content and activities will be swiftly met with a variety of sanctions, including termination of accounts, closure of groups, removal of content, and loss of land."
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Maggie McArdle
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05-31-2007 18:49
From: Nina Stepford it is upon us i believe. how do you take this?
"Please help us to keep Second Life a safe and welcoming space by continuing to notify Linden Lab about locations in-world that are violating our Community Standards regarding broadly offensive and potentially illegal content. Our team monitors such notification 24-hours a day, seven-days a week. Individuals and groups promoting or providing such content and activities will be swiftly met with a variety of sanctions, including termination of accounts, closure of groups, removal of content, and loss of land." applauds LL for introducing a new form of griefing.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-31-2007 19:05
Step up folks and sign up to be an Official Linden sanctioned Morality Monitor. Badges? You don't need no stinking badges!
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Musicteacher Rampal
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05-31-2007 19:10
My biggest concern is what type of recourse will basic members have if they are accused of any of the above activities? Not having access to support, who will they plead their case to?
i agree this could be used very badly for griefing.
I also wonder why it is anyone else's business what people do in SL? If it is consentual who cares?
Will short avies be constantly reported as child avies?
What is graphically violent? Shooting?
Rape? Um...last I checked you couldn't actually rape anyone in SL unless it is consentual because pose balls have to be used.
and finally RL pictures are against the rules now? Are they taking the 1st life tab and ability to post a picture there out of the profile now?
This is the stupidest thing ever. if it were 24/7 monitoring of griefing complaints that would be something good...what people do in their private Second Lives is their own business.
Also with the coming verification, why is this even an issue? If you don't want to view this kind of content then don't verify and you can't accidentally stumble upon it.
Additionally, when questions and complaints go unanswered all weekend long, I very much resent that this will be given such 24/7 attention. Thanks a lot! So sorry, your sim must stay down for the weekend but if you shoot someone you'll be immediately banned??
stupid stupid stupid
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Dakotaflyer Rau
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05-31-2007 19:12
So LL Preeeen(Preteen)Sluts as a group is OK. What goes on in the corner of nemo sim, is ok.....but what consenting adults, yes consenting, even though one side plays at non consen, is not ok?
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Maggie McArdle
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05-31-2007 19:13
yes Music isnt it nice to know that LL is so (Koff  Koff) "concerned" about our well being... (watches RPSims go belly up after the first whiner to get killed fairly complains about a dwarf char with genitalia)
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Brenda Connolly
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05-31-2007 19:16
From: Maggie McArdle yes Music isnt it nice to know that LL is so (Koff  Koff) "concerned" about our well being... They don't want us tucked away doing the Nasty with each other, when we can be visiting the Corporate Sims and Political Campaign Cesspools that The Providers have recieved many Quatloos for.
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Maggie McArdle
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05-31-2007 19:17
From: Brenda Connolly They don't want us tucked away doing the Nasty with each other, when we can be visiting the Corporate Sims and Political Campaign Cesspools that The Providers have recieved many Quatloos for. you mean *GASP* LL has a polictical agenda!?!?! O.O!!!! @Dak so is a magazine aparently called Slut? go fig.......
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-31-2007 19:20
A group called Warriors of Innocence got to the LiveJournal folks and LiveJournal removed hundreds of sites, some of which will be restored to view by LiveJournal after review.
I wonder when groups such as this will enter SL and start filing reports?
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Susie Boffin
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05-31-2007 19:23
From: Brenda Connolly They don't want us tucked away doing the Nasty with each other, when we can be visiting the Corporate Sims and Political Campaign Cesspools that The Providers have recieved many Quatloos for. I think you have hit the nail on the head.
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Maggie McArdle
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05-31-2007 19:29
From: SuezanneC Baskerville A group called Warriors of Innocence got to the LiveJournal folks and LiveJournal removed hundreds of sites, some of which will be restored to view by LiveJournal after review.
I wonder when groups such as this will enter SL and start filing reports? look around Sue, they are already here......
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-31-2007 19:46
From: Musicteacher Rampal and finally RL pictures are against the rules now? Are they taking the 1st life tab and ability to post a picture there out of the profile now? The phrase "Real-life pictures" in the blog post is a phrase in a sentence: " Real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depiction of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors;" which means: real-life images of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors, avatar portrayals of sexual or lewds acts involving .... , or other depictions of sexual or lewd acts involving... " It doesn't mean you can't put your high school graduation picture in your profile.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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05-31-2007 19:47
Love it. The worst I've ever done is throw toilet paper at someone and I'm suddenly subject to ARs and bans for something that was peachy-keen not twenty-four hours ago.
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CobaltBlue Mill
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05-31-2007 19:53
I find it a remarkable coincidence that both LL and LiveJournal would make incredibly boneheaded moves on the same day. The internet seems to be entering some very dangerous times for those who believe in freedom of expression.
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Har Fairweather
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05-31-2007 20:08
The first paragraph of the blog entry is:
"The diversity of things to see and do within Second Life is almost unimaginable, but our community has made it clear to us that certain types of content and activity are simply not acceptable in any form. Real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depiction of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors; real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of sexual violence including rape, real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of extreme or graphic violence, and other broadly offensive content are never allowed or tolerated within Second Life."
Not a lot of wiggle room there.
One hopes it is still just a matter of "arresting twice the usual number of suspects," but this slope is beginning to feel kinda slippery to me. Especially with the encouragement to rat out your neighbors in the second paragraph, as covered in earlier posts.
Presumably LL is responding to outside pressure, since this is clearly not the kind of thing they really want to be spending their time on, but what outside pressure? It's one thing if we are just dealing with yellow journalists, who will eventually go yapping off after other stories once LL has established its bona fides. It's another thing if it is from the corporate interests that LL is intent on courting for its future growth. If that is the case, then - Houston...We have a problem.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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05-31-2007 20:13
"Your World, Your Imagination" has been spoiled. Not by Linden Lab, but by creeps who continue to push the envelope. Yes, I'm going to keep harping on this, as it's true. Do you folks want Second Life to be here when you wake up from your real world slumber? I do. I am NOT going to give it up to depictions of child abuse, rape, or other forms of sexual violence which people seem to think is "okay" in Second Life. Sorry, no dice here folks. There are limits to expression, and the freedom to indulge in it. I FULLY support Daniel's blog post. Enough is enough. Zaphod Kotobide From: CobaltBlue Mill I find it a remarkable coincidence that both LL and LiveJournal would make incredibly boneheaded moves on the same day. The internet seems to be entering some very dangerous times for those who believe in freedom of expression.
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Kidd Krasner
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05-31-2007 20:17
From an article on C|Net news.com.com http://news.com.com/LiveJournal+apologizes+for+mass+deletion/2100-1025_3-6187960.htmlFrom: someone LiveJournal has said it was responding to complaints from groups, including one called Warriors for Innocence. A representative from the group, who gave her name only as "Sues," said in an e-mail Thursday that "we did not knowingly report any 'fandom' communities or role-playing journals."
In posts to her personal blog, Sues describes herself as an ardent conservative who views homosexuality as "sick" and a "twisted agenda" and lumps gays and lesbians into the same category as pedophiles and rapists.
This is why many people are concerned about poorly thought out, poorly implemented, knee-jerk reactions to pressure groups such as this.
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Sindy Tsure
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05-31-2007 20:17
From: Har Fairweather "and other broadly offensive content"
Not a lot of wiggle room there. Er.. Seems like a bit of wiggle room on that "broadly offensive" part..
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Nina Stepford
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05-31-2007 20:18
or even worse, homeland security. i know many ppl find it a paranoid train of thought, but verification + transaction history + asset server + climate of a witch hunt+ grid shepard = scary stuff. i think linden would have no problem handing asset server data over to the us government (i doubt theyd even need a court order). while grid shepard itself may be not be the big threat, it is proof that a third party can collate endless inworld data about you. im sure the us/chinese/any government could put one together (they probably have already. its very orwellian and it makes me very uneasy. yeah its probably not normal thinking to most, but id really hate to find out i was right about this on my next arrival to LAX.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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05-31-2007 20:22
From: Zaphod Kotobide "Your World, Your Imagination" has been spoiled. Not by Linden Lab, but by creeps who continue to push the envelope. Yes, I'm going to keep harping on this, as it's true. Do you folks want Second Life to be here when you wake up from your real world slumber? I do. I am NOT going to give it up to depictions of child abuse, rape, or other forms of sexual violence which people seem to think is "okay" in Second Life. Sorry, no dice here folks. There are limits to expression, and the freedom to indulge in it. I FULLY support Daniel's blog post. Enough is enough.
Zaphod Kotobide so is it wrong if my hubby and I RP rape in our own RL bedroom? What is the difference between that and doing it in our SL bedroom? I agree that the age play is a bit offensive and some countries have even made it illegal, but I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with the rest if people keep it in private, keep it in mature sims, and everyone else keeps out of others business. If I pay for land and I put up ban lines for privacy, and someone butts into my business and "sees" our kinkiness...well I should be reporting them for not respecting my very obvious call for privacy. If you go out of the way to see this kind of stuff then you deserve to see it...it wasn't intended for your eyes. BTW, I grazed through 100 blog comments and I didn't see any in support of this...you're the first Zaphod.
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Malachi Petunia
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05-31-2007 20:24
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Teeny Leviathan
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05-31-2007 20:25
Bust out your skis, we have arrived at the top of the Slippery Slope. 
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Nina Stepford
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05-31-2007 20:35
hmmm. the name 'teeny' deserves an AR.
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Raudf Fox
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05-31-2007 20:37
Until they clarify their definition of broadly offensive, I'm going to just do as I've been doing. I'll report that which goes on in the public areas or PG areas.. the rest is none of my business.
It is NOT MY JOB TO POLICE SL. (Sorry, I'm annoyed by the idea.) That is the Linden's job, its what I pay them to do. This means, I'll help out, when it's possible.. but the rules as they stand are too vague and thus, impossible to uphold.
I agree that some things are offensive, such as actual child porn and a few other things, but with the way things are going, SL is just going to be another NEOPETS. Yeah, that started out as an more mature site, by two college students as a form of entertainment for people their age. Well, guess what? They got bought out by a company and started getting commercialized, companies buying their way in via small ads and games with their logos. And they got aimed at the kids.. so the adults got shoved out of the way. I really don't want history to repeat itself with something I love being in.
So, if I seem to overreact, well, that's why. I love SL. I really do. I hate to see it become the 'pure' that means adults can't be adults because OMG, we're gonna be banned!!
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Brenda Connolly
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05-31-2007 20:38
This pretty much puts Gor out of business in SL I would think. While I understand the intent of Zaphods post and agree to an extent, if the alternative is a sanitized PG corporate wasteland, with spies on every corner, I'd rather SL just implodes and I'll seek my entertainment elsewhere.
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