New Zindra Blog Post

Thanks for the good news Mags

Can someone clarify something for me, if you have land that qualifies for a move, are they allowing you to move lock stoocka nd barrel to adult land, so you can keep everything together?

Tickets in the range of 4450-4459 were reported done on July 10th. That's only what people have reported on the tracking page, not all the tickets processed that day. They were in the 10:09 to 10:10 submit time range.

My latest estimate is 12 working days for them to process the remaining tickets in hand, plus whatever additional tickets come in from now till they close the door, so say about 2 weeks total.

Hi Spinster

You raise some excellent points here, and ones that I have wrestled with before. I am not quite as doctrinaire about these issues as my post may have made me sound; I am entirely willing to acknowledge, for example, that contemporary feminism does contain a strong element that sees BDSM and submissive behaviour in general as an entirely legitimate expression of female sexuality. I myself am iffy about this, because I see feminism as being about more than merely liberating individual women to engage in whatever they wish to (as important as the element of liberation is); feminism for me is also about social conscience and individual responsibility, and I am very concerned about the social "message" that submissive behaviour sends to a culture that is, frankly, still far from cured of its tendency to see women as inferior and subordinate.

The analogy of BDSM with LGBT is, of course, one I've heard before. While I'm not sure that I buy it, I am also still quite open to be persuaded otherwise. I am also most definitely not on a crusade to "cure" those who are into BDSM, or even restrict their personal expressions of their sexuality. What happens in the bedroom is, so long as it IS consensual, absolutely none of my business. Where I become a bit more militant is in public expressions of submissive or violent behaviour, because I believe these cause social harm and, in particular, set back the efforts of women to be recognized as equals.

I would also distinguish between the social impact of gay men or women publicly holding hands or kissing (for example) in public, and a D/s couple with, say, a sub being paraded in public in a collar, because the former is an obvious expression of a loving and equal relationship, whereas the latter, however real the bonds between the D/s couple, articulates a public attitude towards women that I believe is socially damaging.

As for violence, I do understand that many BDSM relationships do not feature any overt elements of this at all. But some do, and with those I do have a problem, at least (again) in terms of their public expression. A rape animation may well be consensual, but it is still a depiction of a brutal physical assault upon a woman; as such, its public expression DOES send a misogynist message. Indeed, the very fact that it almost certainly IS consensual makes it in some ways worse: it communicates the idea to those inclined to hear it, that women WANT to be raped, that it is a sexual fantasy. We can agree that most men are probably clever enough to realize that there is a world of difference between fantasizing about something, and actually wanting it to happen, but there are certainly going to be those who don't get that reasonably subtle distinction. And there IS plenty of evidence to suggest that exposure to violent pornography does increase the susceptibility of some men to violent sexuality in RL.

Agreed that the mainland will always be an unpredictable experience, just like RL. But it comes down, I suppose, to a question of how important it is to us, as a community, to make as many people as comfortable as possible. Your suggestion sounds to me a bit like the old response to women: "if women don't want to get raped, then they should stay home at night, and not go to places where that might happen." This is the reason we have instituted "Take Back the Night" marches. I think it is fair that there should be areas for more extreme sexuality, but I think ghettoizing a large segment of the population to provide it is not an appropriate answer.

Spinster, I'd love to continue this discussion; maybe we can in the near future, but I am about to head off for a week long vacation. (YAY!) Please don't take my lack of response to any answer you might make to this as an indication of anything other than the nonavailability of internet where I am going. I'd be delighted to take it up again later.

The move details (KB 6345) says:

"The tickets will ask you:

* Where your current parcels are (only include the ones with adult content that you would like to exchange for land on Zindra); please provide SLURLs."

As far as we know, you can move a whole parcel that currently exists.

It's not clear if you have multiple disconnected parcels on a region, and some are just used for extra prims if you can bring them along, we assume so.

At least one person reports "advertising sex for money" as being turned down for a move (by Frontier Linden), so make sure to ask for clarification or appeal if that happens. This seems to be a case of "WTF, of course that should qualify". the entirely expected differences of opinion by different lindens shows its random head.

SL appears to have a very big lesbian / women only BDSM community. In trying to find some non-BDSM 'hippie sex' - I keep coming across them. BDSM baffles me - its completely not appealing to me. But it seems to be popular with a lot of women.

MANY RL lesbian relationships have stronger power dynamics than hetero-relationships; with a Butch and a Fem. They can end up with power dynamics that would make some BDSM types balk - particularly when the concept of consent goes away.

And I know the knee-jerk reaction here will be that all those Lesbians are men, cause only men like sex... But that's a pretty absurd claim when you think about it, and when you start getting to know people and communicating with them off of the poseball.

Do keep an eye on your tickets as mine is now not showing up today in history. So do please keep an eye on your ticket, as I am supposing until I speak with support on Monday that mine will have to be refiled.

What is your ticket # ?

After deep digging it has been located and simply not addressed yet. Interestingly there are 3 other tickets since Jan (on other matters) that are still open as well lol.

i am starting to get excited...i saw that 4459 was closed yesterday at 3:42pm...of course, i only see 4450 - 4459 showing closed on the slapt site...but, if they are still doing approximately 45 per day...that could mean today/tomorrow i might get mine...*laughs*

To be honest I haven't seen sight nor sound of a Linden today - at 494 - I was expecting to be sorted by tonight. Ever get that feeling that everyone at LL was off enjoying the weekend but can't be bothered with the outcry if thay actually admitted it?
I truly hope I'm wrong but at this stage - unless someone out there has any knowledge different - it looks as if it's going to be a long, quiet, frustrating weekend. Funny how that's happening a lot lately.
Trying to be an optimist but finding it increasingly difficult. Come on LL - surprise me - make me eat my words.

AFAIK, they move entire parcels, but not parcels that don't qualify... so whatever has to be moved would need to be part of a "commercial adult content" sort of establishment.

Yes that is exactly what I thought, thanks Qie

I have seen Lindens working on the infrastructure today if that helps, have got a great roundabout near us now.

The problem with this line of argument, to my mind, is it makes it rather difficult to reply to someone who says, "I agree with you about BDSM but I also think that same-sex relationships are unhealthy and unnatural and that their public display should be discouraged, too" other than by saying, "Well, the difference is, I'm right and you're a bigot."

Just saying....

When I saw your chat with LH I thought that would be a surprise if there really were lindens working on them today as we have been told they would be working 24/7 on it, however as I haven't seen that since they opened I just thought yet another LL lie. IMHO if they are only going to work on them workdays then they should say so and not be dishonest about it.

LL are so out of touch with the customers now its a wonder anything ever gets done.

[15:57] Blondin Linden: [15:47] Lasher Oh: Question we have multi plots in the same sim to provide prims for our core enterpises are we likely to have those parcels disallowed because they dont have a sex shop actually sitting on them? ANSWER: If one of your parcels need to move b/c of adult content - then you should be allowed to move all your parcels if you wish to combine them. Other want the ability to keep them seperate so I think its up to the resident

This pretty much says you can move all your parcels if you want to combine them.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you - at this stage it's not so much the time it's taking that's causing the main frustration (and anger) but the lack of info. Noone has any idea when their ticket might come up, so we either have to cross our fingers and hope for the best while we sleep, work or otherwise engage in that other reality called RL. Or we glue ourselves to a monitor and wait... and wait... and... (well you get the picture).
LL can't seem to 'get it' that people would mainly prefer to have a rough timsescale to work to, and it would help people to plan a bit and relax a little.
Oh well, they haven't listened to too much so far... still it's good to vent a bit

Oh, good point! I actually remember reading that response in the context of prim parcels, but yeah: it should apply generally.

How old is that quote? About a week before the tickets opened they changed their minds on a lot of things.

i.e.

1. only parcel that have smut get to move
2. no upgrading of size

and there were a couple of others that I can't remember off hand.

It is from the OH meeting on June 25.

I totally agree with you it would be good for LL to start being honest and giving some timescales and treating us as the fee paying customers we are.

Between here in the forums and the slapt.me website I dont get much of that RL reality

Have a look at this thread as the Linden dealing with this and another one other reported to us today was handled by Chiyo Linden whos profile is mainly Japanese and from the 2 reports we have received does not seem to read the comments on the ticket

http://www.slapt.me/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=158

Insult to injury - salt in the wound - taking the p***
I'm trying to think of all the little phrases that suit - what a lovely way to while away a quiet Saturday evening.
anyone for chess?
or toss the horseshoe... tiddly-winks???
Maybe I'll just settle for a bath.

Just so that people know: The Lindens are definitely processing tickets at the moment (Saturday 11:30am SLT/PDT). I just saw Minerva Linden work in a neighboring region, setting parcels there for sale.

Oh that is cool - thanks for the update