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SweetNSexy Haystack
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Join date: 14 Jul 2008
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07-13-2009 02:27
I had opened a Zindra questions ticket to ask about the Garleon region, which shows on the marketing map as double prim, but is in fact single prim. Here is what I learned. I already have my new parcel (double prim), but this info may be helpful to others still waiting. From: someone I'm afrad that the region looks as if it is single prim, our apologies. It may have been re-parcelled by the moles and is not going to be double prim now.
If you are looking for double prim land then do mention that in your official Zindra move ticket.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-13-2009 02:31
It's a picture of a homeless guy.
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SweetNSexy Haystack
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07-13-2009 03:15
One good thing that has come out of this crisis is that we have built ourselves a community on this little continent, we all are ultra familiar with the regions of the land, who is who, and where they are located. I would have been hard pressed to even locate the regions my parcels were on in the old mainland without using search. It feels pretty comfortable, like a small town. I think we have built a common bond through a shared hardship. I'm only a year old though, so maybe I am just naive.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-13-2009 04:46
From: SweetNSexy Haystack One good thing that has come out of this crisis is that we have built ourselves a community on this little continent A community that most of the people who should be part of it are effectively locked out of because of Linden Labs' policies. The hardship is over for you, the nightmare is still ahead for the rest.
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Couldbe Yue
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07-13-2009 04:49
From: Argent Stonecutter A community that most of the people who should be part of it are effectively locked out of because of Linden Labs' policies. The hardship is over for you, the nightmare is still ahead for the rest. It's more like we're locked out of the mainstream community now. For the most part, as business entities we cease to exist.
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Soar Wingtips
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locked out
07-13-2009 04:59
Mature land per se is now an issue, why should parts of the community be excluded from this deal because at the moment they do not have adult products on their land, they bought the land in good faith that would be the case, I think that what someone else said is a good point every mature landowner should have the option to move, and should all be informed by email of what is already on offer.
I think the Lindens on the ground have worked very hard to help us all and should be congratulated, and I do agree it is a community and we do know lots of our neighbours and we should strive to keep that up.
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Mizery Minotaur
Pissed off with LL
Join date: 13 Sep 2008
Posts: 8
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07-13-2009 05:11
I did not attempt to insult anyone based upon where they spend their time. I was pointing out that I am not up to speed on this land swap debacle because i spend no time in the forum or on the blogs. I spend all my time on the grid. The fact that i have to keep going over the same points over and over and over and over and over again because of ruffled feathers is a compelling reason to spend even less time on this forum. From: Limonella Sorbet Others have replied to this too, but I just wanted to note the irony in attempted to insult someone for spending time at one location online rather than another. When you say "in world" you mean Second Life, which is also on the internet. This is just a variation of someone trying to insult someone else by telling them to go outside, or get out of their mom's basement.
As an insult though - fail. Because the "just go outside" insult guy would laugh at you just as you're laughing at forumites.
All of that said - it's true that it was only recently announced within Second Life, and for months unless people heard about it through someone who did visit the forums, no one seemed to know about it. So maybe you should actually be grateful to those people who read the blogs and forums.
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Bhakta Thor
Escape from RL
Join date: 31 Jan 2008
Posts: 291
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07-13-2009 05:30
From: Soar Wingtips Mature land per se is now an issue, why should parts of the community be excluded from this deal because at the moment they do not have adult products on their land, they bought the land in good faith that would be the case, I think that what someone else said is a good point every mature landowner should have the option to move, and should all be informed by email of what is already on offer.
. Amen
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Couldbe Yue
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Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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07-13-2009 05:32
From: Mizery Minotaur I did not attempt to insult anyone based upon where they spend their time. I was pointing out that I am not up to speed on this land swap debacle because i spend no time in the forum or on the blogs. I spend all my time on the grid. The fact that i have to keep going over the same points over and over and over and over and over again because of ruffled feathers is a compelling reason to spend even less time on this forum. The problem with text is that it can be misunderstood so easily and unfortunately the point you make have been made time and time again by people who pop into the thread, say or scream their piece and leave. Time and time again - over countless threads - constantly. I'm sure you get the picture. Perhaps you would be better off addressing your concerns/issues/questions directly to LL, that way you can spend more time inworld. This of course is what LL have asked in the last blog post for people to do. So if you have an issue with LL only telling people via the blogs then I suggest you tell them that this is inappropriate because oddly enough there's nothing we can do here to change that. and of course getting huffy over the reaction you got isn't endearing either.
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Kittyn Fuhr
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Join date: 29 Jun 2006
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07-13-2009 05:51
ticket #4547 -- assigned Junos Rest. Chiyo Linden assigned, and was VERY very friendly. got the email at 5:30 SLT, bought at 5:35 am.
thank you, Chiyo, and the rest of the team...i know this is a difficult and trying time...i appreciate truly what you have done for all of us, even though we are not happy ABOUT the move itself.
kittyn
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Mags Indigo
Constantly Bewildered
Join date: 4 Sep 2007
Posts: 39
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Agreed
07-13-2009 06:17
From: Kittyn Fuhr ticket #4547 -- assigned Junos Rest. Chiyo Linden assigned, and was VERY very friendly. got the email at 5:30 SLT, bought at 5:35 am.
Agree totally, Chiyo handled our ticket too and couldn't have been more helpful, understanding and just friendly. These are the people who make up the human face of LL, and at the moment I'm sure their job is not made easier by the bungling of the whole issue by the organisation itself. But fair play to them, they are really trying to make the actual end process as painless as possible. Credit where credit is due.
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Lord Sullivan
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07-13-2009 07:35
4051-6484546 29/6/2009 10:16 AM PDT Completed 13/07/09 7.11 AM PDT - Frontier Linden who did go the extra mile to sort a problem out for me also.
Its just a shame the upper management doesn't have the same attitude that most of the front line Lindens do.
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Couldbe Yue
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07-13-2009 08:48
From: Lord Sullivan 4051-6484546 29/6/2009 10:16 AM PDT Completed 13/07/09 7.11 AM PDT - Frontier Linden who did go the extra mile to sort a problem out for me also.
Its just a shame the upper management doesn't have the same attitude that most of the front line Lindens do. you've made it over! Congrats. Now the hard work begins 
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Couldbe Yue
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07-13-2009 09:04
btw - is there anyone still around who got their land on day 1? I gather the zindra land should count towards tier for you from today and I'm wondering if it will kick in.
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Lord Sullivan
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07-13-2009 14:06
From: Couldbe Yue you've made it over! Congrats. Now the hard work begins  Yeah all the building that I am no good at  But I can say put a tree here or there lol
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Brieanne Bomazi
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Join date: 29 Jan 2005
Posts: 383
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07-13-2009 14:08
From: Couldbe Yue btw - is there anyone still around who got their land on day 1? I gather the zindra land should count towards tier for you from today and I'm wondering if it will kick in. Got my land on day two... let you know about the tier (4pm slt Tuesday, fild my ticket 10:03am Monday) ~brie
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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07-13-2009 14:19
From: Soar Wingtips I think the Lindens on the ground have worked very hard to help us all and should be congratulated... Damn. You know, during Blondin's meeting today, I don't think we mentioned the good work the land team Lindens have been doing in implementing the swap. We should make it a point to say something at Blondin's Wednesday and Jack's Thursday office hours.
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Lord Sullivan
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07-13-2009 14:30
From: Qie Niangao Damn. You know, during Blondin's meeting today, I don't think we mentioned the good work the land team Lindens have been doing in implementing the swap. We should make it a point to say something at Blondin's Wednesday and Jack's Thursday office hours. We have a list of names on the slapt.me wiki but I think the emphasis should be placed on the Lindens front line doing the changes and not let them think we are thanking LL for the mess they put us in as we all know how much spin LL puts on things  and there is still a long way to go and a lot more people to inform as LL isn't doing it.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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07-13-2009 15:23
From: Lord Sullivan Yeah all the building that I am no good at  But I can say put a tree here or there lol Hooo! Congrats from here too  Good luck with building and things  It was once well made, it will be perfect there too 
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Jill Winger
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Join date: 8 Feb 2006
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Why?
07-13-2009 15:24
Why is it I can't ever get an answer regarding who is in charge of what from LL, in any fashion? Just contacted Live Help regarding an issue, and couldn't choke from them who was in charge of LDPW. I have had support tickets in and sitting for weeks asking who is Jack and Cyn's supervisor, with not one peep. I've asked Jack semi-directly in his office hours and he never fails to skip over that question.
Why is finding out managerial staff an impossibility at LL?
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Qie Niangao
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Posts: 7,138
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07-13-2009 16:48
From: Jill Winger Why is it I can't ever get an answer regarding who is in charge of what from LL, in any fashion? Just contacted Live Help regarding an issue, and couldn't choke from them who was in charge of LDPW. I have had support tickets in and sitting for weeks asking who is Jack and Cyn's supervisor, with not one peep. I've asked Jack semi-directly in his office hours and he never fails to skip over that question.
Why is finding out managerial staff an impossibility at LL? Agreed. Here are some answers to the best of my recollection (keeping in mind that Linden Lab may have reorganized a few times since then) Michael is head of LDPW and I think he reports to Jack; Jack reports to Cyn, and AFAIK, Cyn reports directly to M.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
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And maybe...
07-13-2009 17:41
and eventually, with or without my sarcasm, they are inspired by the north-korean society system about which I have read accidently today. The regime has spltted the society in three main classes: the totaly loyal people, the pending people and the "inner enemy" people which were former traders or pro-japanese or pro-western or christians and buddhists.
(My english is maybe not good enough to translate it exact, but the exact keywords per defintion are: loyal, pending, enemy - these are the three classes in north-korean society)
Translated into LL terms it is similar to PG = loyal, Mature = pending, and Adult = enemy.
If I add the kind of military hierarchic system inside of LL to this, I have a picture in front of me which is funny enough to set it in analogy to totalitary systems.
Oh and since the world-wide crisis of ecomomy is even some small market and trading allowed in north-korea. In special segregated zones... and since the so called enemy class is getting nothing from the regimes wellfare programs (no food etc. because help in food and education is only for the loyal and pending people, hahaha) they are active in these small trading zones, kind of micro business (rice and something).
Well, just fun what I talk here, but the serious content in this is, that LL is not knowing (or maybe they know it...) how near and how similar they are to specific worst case systems and rogue systems on globe.
The ideology may look different, but behind the curtains it is more similar than expected at first sight. LOL.
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Couldbe Yue
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07-13-2009 18:33
From: Jill Winger Why is it I can't ever get an answer regarding who is in charge of what from LL, in any fashion? Just contacted Live Help regarding an issue, and couldn't choke from them who was in charge of LDPW. I have had support tickets in and sitting for weeks asking who is Jack and Cyn's supervisor, with not one peep. I've asked Jack semi-directly in his office hours and he never fails to skip over that question.
Why is finding out managerial staff an impossibility at LL? it was either last week or the week before at jack's office hour he said there was no one in overall charge of this programme. If you really want to formalise your complaint, go to M since he's Cyn's boss and she is too busy filing her nails to actually bother with those pesky customers.
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Lias Leandros
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07-13-2009 20:15
From: Jill Winger Why is it I can't ever get an answer regarding who is in charge of what from LL, in any fashion? Why is finding out managerial staff an impossibility at LL? From what I recall - LL does not work with a flow chart like that. Employees choose the project they want to work on - sort of floating through the structure. We want accountability and they want creative freedom. This is where we have the communication breakdown. Linden Lab does not emphasize accountability with their staff and we need that because they are taking our money. LL's attitude is 'You keep giving us your money - if you do not like what we are doing then please go away". Most other companies would ask us what they could do to keep our business. .
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Wynochee LeShelle
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07-13-2009 20:15
From: Jill Winger Why is it I can't ever get an answer regarding who is in charge of what from LL, in any fashion? Just contacted Live Help regarding an issue, and couldn't choke from them who was in charge of LDPW. I have had support tickets in and sitting for weeks asking who is Jack and Cyn's supervisor, with not one peep. I've asked Jack semi-directly in his office hours and he never fails to skip over that question.
Why is finding out managerial staff an impossibility at LL? CEO + board members = guilty, ahm, responsible for the mess. Answers like these from Jack (the rhetoric artist who said that no one is literally responsible) are just smoke-balls. I think he would be a good NATO-Speaker or something like that, where athlets of throwing rhetoric smoke-balls are ever doing the press-conferences, talking about intelligent bombs and never finding any collateral damage and no civilian victims in any war and also they are masters of the art to be never responsible for whatever. I think Mr. Mark Kingdon is not a member of the revolting adults group, hahaha. Even not for tactical reasons (lurking), but he and some people like Philip and Mitch and other suits are the Masters of the Puppets and the creators of this dead born plan. I think not, that average Linden employees are allowed to do such a mess without Ordre de Mufti. To make it not too complex: the "Governor" is the target on which we have to point.
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