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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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07-10-2009 10:11
From: Lord Sullivan The entry was made in the early days when it was clear from forum posts that this seemed to be the case, but things are clearer now and people are starting to work together slowly. The great thing is with the wiki is that it is for everyone in SL and anyone can edit it  However based on what you have now said I have removed the entry from that section as I take it that you do speak for your group  I would like to think that the Zindra Alliance will avail itself with the slapt.me wiki for archiving and historical recording of matters and we will create a section for them if they wish on our forums as the wiki and slapt.me is becoming synonymous with these changes and we hope over time it will develop and welcome others from SL to it as it has started to become a good archive and is truly owned by the community and will remain so. Thanks LS! Not sure that ANYONE can really be said to "speak for" the SLLUFN (that's not really how we operate), but I think my characterization of the consensus in the group is a pretty accurate one. I am very curious to see how the Zindra Alliance evolves. As some here will be vaguely aware, I am very interested in the nature and function of "community" in SL.
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TumbleWeed Loopen
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Holds her head in her hands
07-10-2009 10:35
Just saw that my second full sim choice has a 9000 meters bite out of it, two whole minutes more into tickets and maybe a few out of the 70 between that one and mine.
Does LL offer counseling for those needing it?
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-10-2009 10:40
From: TumbleWeed Loopen Just saw that my second full sim choice has a 9000 meters bite out of it, two whole minutes more into tickets and maybe a few out of the 70 between that one and mine.
Does LL offer counseling for those needing it? Drats and drats... *crossing my fingers for you*
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
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07-10-2009 11:00
From: Qie Niangao It's early to panic about the effects of script memory limits. They're still unable to give even general guidelines about what those limits might be, and they plan to give us a long stretch where we'll be able to monitor script memory usage before they start enforcing anything. During that time, a lot of scripts will be rewritten; for example, I'd be very surprised if a version of MLP doesn't emerge at that time that saves a lot of memory specifically for situations where there are a lot of MLP-equipped devices on the same parcel.
(Note to scripters: although Mono scripts can share program segments, thereby cutting memory use when multiple instances are in the same sim, per Babbage this will not be reflected in the limits: each script will count that full shared segment as if it were alone in the sim. This is actually sensible, for slightly arcane reasons. Of course there is also a lot of data segment savings possible in a sim full of MLPs, so it's just a different, more programming-intensive problem.) Jeff has already started looking at it and I think has already released a prototype. You're right in that until there's decent information we can't know just what is going to happen, but on past performance I can pretty well guess that it's going to be painful.
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
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07-10-2009 11:14
From: Couldbe Yue Jeff has already started looking at it and I think has already released a prototype. You're right in that until there's decent information we can't know just what is going to happen, but on past performance I can pretty well guess that it's going to be painful. Probably I should have expanded a bit: I actually do think it will be painful for Adult content sellers, but because of the effect on customers more than on the stores where the items are sold. I'd be especially conscious of certain scripted prim attachments, some of which may simply become obsolete with no practical workaround. It seems unlikely that an agent will be able to wander the grid wearing a MystiTool, collar, cuffs, genitals, separate AO, and (heaven help us) resize scripts in their hair and/or shoes, all at the same time. Of course, in a broader sense, it will be a damned good thing for everybody when all those scripts are as memory-optimized as they can be, and when all resize scripts are finally thrown over the rail. But during the transition, folks are gonna have fits when they can't figure out why their collars can't be worn anymore, etc., etc.
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Lord Sullivan
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07-10-2009 11:17
From: Scylla Rhiadra Thanks LS! Not sure that ANYONE can really be said to "speak for" the SLLUFN (that's not really how we operate), but I think my characterization of the consensus in the group is a pretty accurate one.
I am very curious to see how the Zindra Alliance evolves. As some here will be vaguely aware, I am very interested in the nature and function of "community" in SL. You are welcome and I did mean you spoke for the group in a more figurative manner rather than you were the spokeswoman  Also on the slapt.me forums we are making available for SL groups the ability to have their own forum sub group within our forums, which they can moderate etc themselves so let me know if your group is interested and that offer stands for any active group in SL with more than 50 members.
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
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07-10-2009 11:34
From: Scylla Rhiadra Yes, I've heard that view expressed here before. Personally, I think I'd be ok with this approach.
To be more precise, then, I think that where we might part ways would be with the "throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater" definition of "adult." A "safe" area needn't be sex-free; there is no one that I've met in the SLLUFN who is very interested in "PG" as it is currently defined. Rather, a "safe" area should allow one to pursue whatever pursuits one wishes, including sex, while not having to be exposed to images of VIOLENT sexuality. As it stands now, someone who wants to express her sexuality, but wishes (for whatever reason) to avoid depictions of violent sexuality, is out of luck. Simulations of both consensual and nonconsensual sex have simply been lumped in together.
It's a ham-fisted approach to defining human sexuality that serves no one, I suspect. From this perspective anyway (and I do have OTHER objections to LL's approach as well), things would have been much better had LL allowed depictions of consensual sex to remain in "Mature."
(Part of this divide derives from the fact that feminism tends not to think of sexual violence as "sex" at all, but rather as a form of violence intended, amongst other things, to force submission and repression.) I agree with you for the most part- But I'm afraid that SL is too blunt an instrument to provide too many shades of sexuality in its content ratings. There could be a consensual/non-consensual divide, or LL could simply say that there was no room for non-consensual sex of any kind on mainland, and then the activity would be restricted to private estates. However, one thing gets in the way of this. with the exception of push effects, orbiters, and the like, *all* animations in SL must have the consent of the animated, and there is a ready method of escape available in the "teleport home" function. Granted, people can be *tricked* into giving consent, but can end the animation at any time. There is simply no way to force oneself upon a truly unwilling victim. It simply cannot happen. I know that for some people, even seeing someone else in that situation is traumatic, but there are other considerations- namely, the right of consenting adults to engage in mutually agree-upon activity. It is a knotty problem, no doubt about that. One that might be solved by a voluntary use of land descriptions to advertise the non-consensual roleplay, and by the vigilance of people who aren't comfortable with it checking out the land description of places before they go there. If people are careful to avoid things that bother them, and considerate enough to provide the necessary information for people to make informed decisions, then we don't need new rules- it seems a poor trade-off to inflict a non-consensual situation (the forced tagging, re-rating, and forced movement of content) in the name to freedom of choice. However, I also know that the sort of Consideration that I am talking about is, unfortunately, rather rare.  ^V^
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-10-2009 11:40
My ticket went WIP: 10/7/2009 11:16 AM PDT..It is a 10:09 and it ends in 451. Trying to add info on the slapt wiki... but I forgot my password.
I am not home to babysit the progress in world.. I will check it on my lunch 2:00 SL time. *crosses my fingers*
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
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07-10-2009 11:48
From: Qie Niangao It's early to panic about the effects of script memory limits. They're still unable to give even general guidelines about what those limits might be, and they plan to give us a long stretch where we'll be able to monitor script memory usage before they start enforcing anything. During that time, a lot of scripts will be rewritten; for example, I'd be very surprised if a version of MLP doesn't emerge at that time that saves a lot of memory specifically for situations where there are a lot of MLP-equipped devices on the same parcel.
(Note to scripters: although Mono scripts can share program segments, thereby cutting memory use when multiple instances are in the same sim, per Babbage this will not be reflected in the limits: each script will count that full shared segment as if it were alone in the sim. This is actually sensible, for slightly arcane reasons. Of course there is also a lot of data segment savings possible in a sim full of MLPs, so it's just a different, more programming-intensive problem.) Forgive me if I have trouble believing that the same bunch that brought us the Adult content fiasco will preside over a smooth and non-painful program of throttling Sim resources. I doubt that there is anything that LL cannot turn into a travesty. ^V^
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Meade Paravane
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07-10-2009 11:52
From: Valerius Constantine Forgive me if I have trouble believing that the same bunch that brought us the Adult content fiasco will preside over a smooth and non-painful program of throttling Sim resources. I doubt that there is anything that LL cannot turn into a travesty.
^V^ Same bunch? Adult content was a management thing. They decided that adult stuff needed to be segregated then came up with a bunch of reasons to support that, which they called "goals." Resource limits is a technical thing. Geeky types see a problem which needs fixing (aka: a goal) then work out how to fix it. That's not to say that it will all go smoothly - I think we don't have much reason to expect that - but I wouldn't really call them the same bunch..
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-10-2009 11:53
From: Whimsycallie Pegler My ticket went WIP: 10/7/2009 11:16 AM PDT..It is a 10:09 and it ends in 451. Trying to add info on the slapt wiki... but I forgot my password.
I am not home to babysit the progress in world.. I will check it on my lunch 2:00 SL time. *crosses my fingers* Got an email that my second choice has been set for sale to me.
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Lasher Oh
Smelling the coffee
Join date: 3 Apr 2007
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07-10-2009 11:55
From: TumbleWeed Loopen Just saw that my second full sim choice has a 9000 meters bite out of it, two whole minutes more into tickets and maybe a few out of the 70 between that one and mine.
Does LL offer counseling for those needing it? Looks like we are mirroring each others experiences - after my 1st choice going for a burton yesterday my next 2 have gone today and it's still only half way through - oh well there is a huge abundance of dull featureless tundra to choose from, but giving it a positive spin- it's really the people and community that make a place home not the hillsides and sea. Good Luck Tumble ^L^
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Qie Niangao
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07-10-2009 11:55
From: Whimsycallie Pegler Got an email that my second choice has been set for sale to me. Yay! Enjoy!!
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
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07-10-2009 11:56
From: Whimsycallie Pegler My ticket went WIP: 10/7/2009 11:16 AM PDT..It is a 10:09 and it ends in 451. Trying to add info on the slapt wiki... but I forgot my password.
I am not home to babysit the progress in world.. I will check it on my lunch 2:00 SL time. *crosses my fingers* Updated to WIP for you on the wiki. If you have forgotten your password just click the send new password and it will send you a new one then you can change it at login  Now I will change it to got new land  its good to see the tickets have hopefully speeded up there is hope for me then for this month 
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Krazzora Zaftig
Do you have my marbles?
Join date: 20 Aug 2005
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07-10-2009 11:56
can anyone get into the new south coast area? I can't get down there yet and anything resembling land I would want on the new eastern coast is taken.
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-10-2009 11:56
Thanks. I only wanted one of those flat green places... near the pengallen bridge.. so it looks like no problem getting my second choice.
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Mags Indigo
Constantly Bewildered
Join date: 4 Sep 2007
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Congrats
07-10-2009 11:58
From: Whimsycallie Pegler Got an email that my second choice has been set for sale to me. Great news - congrats and good luck
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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07-10-2009 12:01
From: Meade Paravane Same bunch?
Adult content was a management thing. They decided that adult stuff needed to be segregated then came up with a bunch of reasons to support that, which they called "goals."
Resource limits is a technical thing. Geeky types see a problem which needs fixing (aka: a goal) then work out how to fix it.
That's not to say that it will all go smoothly - I think we don't have much reason to expect that - but I wouldn't really call them the same bunch.. BY same bunch, I mean Linden Labs.  ^V^
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
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Important Note
07-10-2009 12:58
From: someone Please note will we not allow you to sell your new land during the migration period. The new land is designed to allow you to migrate your adult business. This is the information going out on all tickets now from LL. At least they are listening folks 
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Mags Indigo
Constantly Bewildered
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at last
07-10-2009 13:07
From: Lord Sullivan This is the information going out on all tickets now from LL. At least they are listening folks  Good to know - maybe there is light at the end of the tunnell - and no I don't mean from an oncoming train
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-10-2009 13:12
From: Mags Indigo Good to know - maybe there is light at the end of the tunnell - and no I don't mean from an oncoming train Muzzle flash?
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Meade Paravane
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07-10-2009 13:15
From: Argent Stonecutter Muzzle flash? Ferrits with miners helmets.
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Krazzora Zaftig
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07-10-2009 13:37
From: Meade Paravane Ferrits with miners helmets. mega prim with lights enabled?...made by a w-hat?
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Lias Leandros
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07-10-2009 13:38
From: Meade Paravane This stuff has been MONTHS in coming. Did you really not know about it until just recently? This is the song Linden Lab will sing after more than half the population find out they missed the boat. We are aware because we read blogs and forums and pay attention to the MOTD. Remember LL removed the Zindra MOTD in one day. For something this important - this sweeping policy change that effects the entire grid..Linden Lab is obligated to send an e-mail to every customer. I have dropped by many adult Business' on the mainland - and they have no idea what I am talking about. I do not think the August missed-the-boat grumbling will 'go away'.
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Melodie Darwin
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07-10-2009 13:38
I thought they weren't enforcing the "new rules" for mature regions until after the moves are finished? There are a lot of listings in the incident reports for indecency, mature content. At least 2 of the regions have adult content listed and its a mixture of mainland and private regions.
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