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True, this is a major problem. And maybe a hidden ambition in LL's plan...and if it would be no hidden ambition to dry out the adult scene, then they (LL) missed to think on all aspects of such a step. LL will lose also much profit and cash flow if these transactions going low or zero...

Somehwere I have read along this thread, that 30% of all transactions (if not more) are adult items... - and not all are made for only indoor activities behind tinted windows, blinds, curtains and walls. I am, for example, more the funny type and I like to put here and there some ironical surprises on my land (even while the other content of my property is kind of serious, or art, or just relaxing or kind of office or think tank, or whatever), things like - maybe - a funny female "pee-animation", hidden behind a birch tree and a bush, hehehe, because I offer no toilets on my land for visitors, hahaha, or a garden bench with some surprising animations beside the usual sit-animations.

This I can forget under the new rules and these things are sleeping in my inventory now.

Also in-house-fun I find not safe anymore under the new KB for mature-land.

So, in result, I would not buy some nice items on Zindra at the moment, because I cannot be sure to be not AR'd or maybe an unexpected ban-hammer comes from somewhere out of the blue from a G-team member, etc.

Thank you for your posts Whimsycallie, I agree with you 100%

Please everyone lets take a deep breath, and maybe get a foot massage (mmmmmmmm foot massages). We are all stressing over this move, and wondering if we will get back the biz this move will make us lose.

It's time to work together and start to get Zindra rocking.

When you get your land say hi to your neighbors... maybe there can be some cross promotion between neighbors?

Say hi to the person who got your first pick and congratulate them on their good taste.

Lets start planning on the promotion of Zindra... maybe a Zindra wide hunt? A Zindra Midnight Mania group? Maybe something no one has thought of yet?

It's time to make lemonade IMHO.


/me crawls back to her workshop and waits for the 10:11 tickets to start getting land.

Well we are more informed than you assume we are - and the 8000 prim adult business you never had is a good story. The colorful gutter language from you and your better half is amusing at this hour BUT this is not really directed to you or your golf course. It was just used as an example of how the Lindens messed this up. We apologize for the intrusion into your non-existent Adult Content. Have a good night.

Exploited? That would be the proper term to use for what you have just done. Trying to exploit my swap for your own personal gain. It appears that you have mistaken me for someone who cares about your personal issue over “adult content”. I can see why you would have your panties in a wad, but to me that is more personal than I care to discuss. There should be someone much more qualified to help you with your personal situation (a shrink), for that is not my field of expertise. In the meantime, mind your own business, and do not draw me into your “personal drama“. Thank you very much.

LOL! I am not the one making assumptions. You don't know jack about what I have done on SL, or where I have done it. Like I am going to lose sleep over you pretending to have your nose so far up Mick's butt, that you think you can tell me what he ate for dinner. I guess instead of wasting time replying to you, I should be writing an FIC acceptance speech, since I must be a new member. Hilarious. Have a bad night.

Also we gave up our allocated double prim because we could not subdivide and waited for another piece of land to become availible, which btw is not double prim, all we want to do is get on with our sl lives. Think promoting Zindra is an excellent idea and one we should follow up on

I would think that they would complete your Ticket Soar and get you the land you need once they contacted you. Have you contacted the Linden helping you with you land to see what is going on?

You know I'm really really so naffed off with the whole situation - and at times like this I would sooo love to have someone to turn my frustration, disappointment and indeed anger - against.
However when I try to talk myself through it I invariably come to the same result
1 - I am mostly annoyed with myself for fumbling with tickets and as such missing out on the all important first 3 minute slot. This is the most frustrating bit - having to blame myself for not fully realising how important a few minutes would be.
2 - I am annoyed with Linden labs for making such an awful hash of the whole thing, the timescales involved are becoming ridiculous and it would all be quite funny if it wasn't so serious for some people. Yes I know the logistics must be horrendous, no I don't have any system in mind that I would have put in place but... as a business they have really fallen down on customer relations and updating people. The decision to 'halt' everything for days 'to bring new land online' was a bit like rubbing salt into wounds - in my opinion.

Regardless of people's personal situations - we are all in SL for different reasons - I have never made a cent from SL - to date I have never broken even, but the lindens that my business makes does help with some of the costs involved with 'playing this game' and I presume others are even more dependent on those lindens than I am. As such, although this is a game - when real money comes into play - it can have real effects on peoples lives and their ability to continue to enjoy what is supposes to be an escape from rl.

Upshot is that now everyone is beginning to vent on each other - frankly at this stage I'm beyond caring what goes on land allocated, I'm just awed by the length of time the whole procedure is taking. I will be giving up a really pretty beach, nice flat ground, and I still live in hopes that I will get something that comes close to it - time will tell. Its just a pity to see adults regressing to playground mentality, or maybe 'road rage' mentality - kind of makes it hard to justify our claims that we are actually adults really.

Can I say everyone I have spoken to as I wander about Zindra have been mainly pleasant and polite and have been happy to talk about their land or whatever. Keep it together folks - we're all going to be neighbours soon, an SL land war full of recriminations and distrust is not especially what I want to spend my time on SL dealing with.

Fingers crossed that it will all be sorted asap - good luck to everyone.

Yes we have had great support from Lindens and have been allocated land, but after last night and the spiteful comments of Tumbleweed I feel that I want to give up on sl, we are meant to be a community and help each other, we leave rl and enter sl, and its meant to be our second lives, a place without all the stress and strife w might have in rl.

That's good to hear, but don't forget not many people even got to hear of the opportunity to swap to Zindra, it was only flasjed on the open screen for a day...

I disagree, I think there was enough information out there, and easy to confirm by using open chat, these guys are helpful on customer services.

Stage One: DENIAL: They can't make me move because I have a sex bed.

Stage Two: ANGER: Those f*ckers are making me move because I have a sex Bed!

Stage Three: BARGAINING: OK, let's do this; I'll put the sex bed in a skybox and we can pretend it is not there *wink, wink.

Stage Four: DEPRESSION: My ticket to move to Zindra went in at 10:12 AM. I'm doomed!

Stage Five: ACCEPTANCE: Well at least I can play golf until some land in Zindra becomes available. Maybe an escort will be my caddy and wash my balls for me.

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Good Morning all from and a wet and dreary Holland. Reading the last 2 pages of posts all I can now see is the real start of the infighting and I am sure I will cover points already covered in this post. These are just my personal views and ignore them if you wish but I feel they need to be said as we are not 5 year old and in kindergarten

My first concern is that people are becoming very suspicious of others and that is NOT a good start to these moves. I agree that the reselling of land just got from LL in Zindra is a big NO NO and from what I can glean when it is reported LL are stepping in and seeming to stop it as did Harry Linden yesterday. I hope that this continues until the sale of Zindra land via auction.

I get handed note cards/emails from others regarding these changes and the chats they have had with others and firstly let me say that if these emails/notes are posted on external forums, it is NOT against LL rules that is why we are having no problems with LL and the slapt.me wiki or forums and posting this information. HOWEVER that being said I am sure most of this animosity can be avoided, however it is going to take all parties involved in this to start to pull together and work together. As most of what gets emailed to me is, when I read and make a few discrete inquiries because of misunderstandings, language barriers and some peoples ability to adequately articulate themselves and that is not a disrespectful take on others but just the facts.

As has been said WE, and I mean ALL of us should start to work together as a team and start to develop Zindra into a fantastic place. There is a group already 'Zindra Alliance' and I have posted details here about it http://www.slapt.me/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=133 people please first go take a look then join the group. It has been formed for all of us to use and we should use it imho.

We have the once in a lifetime opportunity to build a strong and sound base for all of this. In all my time with SL this is the FIRST TIME that us customers have ever pulled together in a coherent movement against LL. We can see the BS that LL are giving us and it is public, we all know and realize that this WILL and IS happening to us causing a lot of pain and anguish for many, so we need to put our differences behind us and apologize to the ones we have pissed off and start to move forward as a community.

Tall order I hear people say but NO it is NOT, we and I mean 'WE' and not I have built the slapt.me wiki into a wonderful resource and one that is more read than the LL pages on the same project, the Zindra Alliance has been created for all of us having to move to join, activities have been already suggested in the last few pages, so lets try and not turn Zindra into individual gated communities, rather lets take this one time opportunity and build Zindra into one big family, where we ALL HELP each other, we know there is going to be drama etc. but hey SL sometimes needs a bit of drama lol but each of us should focus on the future now and where we are heading.

We are strong together and have a strong voice and we have slapt.me for reporting on and I will ensure that all the facilities are put at Zindra's disposal and that means all of you. I will create sub forums in the forums if needed just ask me, the wiki is yours not mine, let us ALL turn this into an advantage not a disadvantage and move forward together and remember it is not each other we should be turning our angst against but LL and that can be done in a professional manner also.

I know many are suffering financially over this, we are that's for sure but I am not moaning at others about it, I am trying as hard as I can to turn it into the advantage and focusing on the future at Zindra now, so as has already been said, say Hi to your neighbor, not in a mistrusting way but a friendly way and lets start to build Zindra into a great community continent rather than one filled with mistrust and suspicion for all.

This is a chance to show LL that we will NOT be beaten down but we will start to ALL work together and become even stronger through all of this.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings, but I do feel strongly about this and want to see people working together and not all this fighting, suspicion and mistrust that there is is it all a dream for me, well I hope not and I do hope that things will change for the betterment of us all when we start to pull together.

Just my opinion and thoughts though

I agree we should work together to make Zindra a wonderful continent, as for posting conversations I know that public conversations is fine, but posting a private im onto a notecard, along with accusations and then handing out to everyone they meet is against TOS regulations, as I sure never gave my permission, and it was the kindness of someone that received one that alerted me to what was happening, it was a spiteful and uncalled for thing to do. I had stopped to talk to her and make conversation, but such anger in a person, is a shame. Also that person is a member of the Zindra Alliance, so I am not sure how much that group is involved in supporting such activities, I would be interested to hear from the founder on that, it is a group that I had looked to joining, but really if it is about condoning the activities carried out by Tumbleweed then it is best avoided I would think?

I think we should all take that big deep breath and start to move forward in the correct manner, sometimes someone has to step up to the plate, and regardless of differences past just say, lets move forward. Join the group each and everyone of us and lets all move forward, all of us together.

There has been a lot of mistrust going on and I think mainly it is because of LL not communicating with us in a decent manner, but whats new there It really makes me feel sad when I see things like this happen between us all as there is no need imho, but text communication is so flawed on so many levels the main ones being because one cannot see the nuances in the spoken word, nor can people see the body language of the person they are talking to which can at times create all the wrong messages.

I think its time to put any differences with others behind us and start to move forward and YES if some will step up to the plate and do it then others WILL follow, of that I am sure as we do have a great opportunity to change this into something the likes of LL would not have seen before, true community

So I will step up and who will follow me

There hasn't been a good start to any other part of this process, so what do you expect?

I can agree with what you say, but cannot condone the breaking of TOS, or join a group that by having that person as a member condones that type of behaviour, surely that bodes badly for any future trust.
As far as the incident went, yes it is in the past and I would like to work towards creating a great continent, whatever anyone says much has been done in a short while and those Lindens are working hard and trying hard to make people happy, they could have said hey Adult continent move or stop trading, but they are supplying the land free to give everyone an opportunity to relocate and we cannot change the situation, but move on and make the most of it. We are the early settlers of a new world, lets enjoy that moment, and stop bitching so much, everyone is going to get their land it just needs patience and deep breaths.

I agree, I expected nothing else than this but its about time imo that we start to move forward in a positive not negative fashion

I totally agree

Rather than turning on each other, perhaps those of you in America might like to look at this website:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/



you'll note they don't respond to individual complains, they just looks for trends. So you're safe from reprisal from LL.

If you think there's wrong doing afoot on behalf of LL (certainly changing the terms without recompense falls under that, along with disadvantaging customers by lower quality web frontage (land in our speak) and a myriad of other things) then lodge a complaint. We can certainly discuss in here the areas which are more likely to get the FTCs attention.

I can't get to the actual complaints page (because I'm not in America?) so I don't know what they ask.

No one in here has a monopoly on good behaviour, we've all put our foot in it at one time or another and this situation is stressful for a lot of people.

Rather than turning on each other please assign the blame where it belongs, which is firmly in the lap of LL.

I know a lot of you are resistant to coming out from behind the pc for whatever reason, but the FTC really is the place where a lot of the complaints of shoddy dealings by LL need to be sent.

If you can't do this then perhaps you need to ask yourself if you're more into the drama of the situation than suffering any real impact.

I've seen the impact of stress on caged communities in RL and the behaviours exhibited here pretty well mirror that. In this case though there is a partial remedy.

Even if no official action is taken just knowing that the FTC is looking at them may improve LLs corporate behaviour towards its customers.

Try it rather than turning on each other.

Residents have the power to turn the usual Linden ineptitude into a truly colossal clusterf*ck--and so far show every sign of doing so.

At this point, we might be able to stop the whole migration process dead in its tracks and delay any progress for another week by uncovering some big injustice--the net result of which would be that those who haven't yet gotten their swap will suffer even longer.

When it's all done, it will just be Mainland. I've visited some of the vaunted wonderlands that folks are leaving, and you know what? They were just Mainland too. Probably the owners just learned to blind themselves to all the flaws of those old parcels, but I haven't seen any--not one--that's on balance better than many, many available parcels on Zindra.

You'll have neighbors on Zindra, but you know what? You've got neighbors now, and some of their builds are fugly. You're not losing a lot by getting new neighbors, and once you've trained yourself to not see their fugly builds the same way you don't see your current neighbors' fugly builds, it will be all the same: Mainland.

Folks are unhappy about having to move. Folks are frustrated with how the move is being handled. All that unhappiness and frustration is completely justified. That's no reason to make it even worse by making everybody contentious, unproductive, and miserable.

If it were possible to have a *positive* meeting among current and future Zindra landowners to help build some community cohesion and plot strategy to advance the common interests of that group, I'd be eager to help. I'm not sure people are ready yet for a meeting where the ground rules are "no bitching." Until we get to that point, nothing much good is going to happen.

Sooo... I for one am going to say well done and thank you to the Lindens for what they have achieved and what they are doing, maybe it could have been done better, more organised, but who are we too critisise we are not the ones juggling land development, irate residents and long days, probably tickets with mistakes,(I did that too on my first one), and of course everyone wanting that same prime location, I am not quite sure what that would be, I suppose flat, double prim and protected water, haha, and good luck to those that get that combination, make good use of it so we can all enjoy it at some stage.

Then you mustn't have too many dealings with rl companies or your standards wouldn't be so low. Before you ask, I've had my swap for a week now.

Qie, well said, I agree with you and would be happy to support such an event, all the bitching and complaining does not move things forward, but maybe a few nice words and encouragement can

Hi Could be, I have had many dealings with rl companies and run my own business for many years, successfully, and I find the way to get things done is not to be abusive, it does not achieve anything, be fair, and keep comunication open. I dont have low standards, but I cannot complain at the way Linden have dealt with any issues I have had in all my time in sl. At least we have a customer service facility with instant access to chat live. Don knock what we have, its better then nothing.