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And told there are about 70 tickets between the one he is working on and my 10:12 one

My 1st set of 3 and 2nd set of 3 are still there. Now I did wait a long time to request, into July (as I think they will tell me I don't have enough traffic to be "commercial" or not dirty enough in any case) But I didn't really want lake I just wanted a decent area in rural with a road or planed road (like I have now) and that's what I looked at and requested. (did think about the nice double prim but left it for those that had better land now, not that I don't love my land been there 3 years!

With this new Blondin meeting looks like I am probably right.. a music venue with strippers and sex stuff (balls rugs, and put up extreme stuff after the announcement)in the yard and planed other things... and open free sex use and drug use and vendors... and sexgen vendors ect. wont qualify me as "commercial" It really saddens me but LL has made SL horrid !!!!


I pay premium on myself my wife and 2 alts getting ready to go basic and sell abandon 11000Sm of Mature mainland I guess I can go basic and probably be happier and make more L$

Just SAD!!!!!!!

what part did you read as saying that?

For all the misfortunates who couldn't get their tickets submitted within the first 10 minutes, this is like the death of a thousand cuts. I've not only watched my first 3 choices and back ups all snapped up but I'm now actually onto back-up choices 20 plus - our group ticket is having to be amended on a daily basis. If they had actually tried to conceive a more painful way of going about this they couldn't have.

^L^

And I've traced back a certain sim ownership, also in the "unofficially" opened south lands to a HOMESANDLAND land agency. Now it *could* be the original owner sold it to them, so maybe I am getting in a tizzy over nothing, but still, I couldn't trace any adult content at all through certain profiles

First 10 minutes? Try the first 6 or 7 minutes! I'm at the 9 minute mark and still waiting after nearly 11 days now! I really feel sorry for anyone who submitted after about the first 20 minutes. Their looking at 4 or 5 + more days yet and the ones who waited past the first hour.... gezzz! At the current rate it will take until around the 25th just to get through the first hours requests. People who weren’t aware of this forced move for what ever reason might never get moved and have to shell out a LOT of money to move too! The whole mess just stinks!

Yes, I am at 10:09 too.. and have luckily had some time off to keep up with this process. Unfortunately I go back to work tommorow. I feel really bad for those who are only able to check on progress in the evening... and make addendum to thier tickets and hope LL doesn't totally screw it up when thier turn rolls round. Guess I am joining those ranks now.

"Jenn Yoshikawa]When I asked the owner of the sim how is your gold corse sexual content? I was yelled at and banned from the sim"

Hello Jenn. There is no need to lie about imaginary interaction with me for dramatic effect, just ranting and raving out of ignorance about me and how I got my land is enough. Seems that you have taken up residency cuddling up next to my colon. I feel that you might as well go on, and tell the SL community all about my relationships.

Do not bother to consider that my ticket was in very early, or the fact that I have removed over 8000 prim worth of extremely sexually explicit content from my main land parcels. Furthermore after a small amount of research on you, I do not see where you are qualified to make judgment on me, nor do I see anything that would hint that you are a land owner of concierge status. I also feel that my neighbors would not agree with you since my building style has a tendency to raise land values of neighboring parcels. In conclusion may I ask two things of you in the future? One when you are about to pass gas please stand down wind, and two separate your gluteus maximus so that your misinformed incorrect and false accusations can not be heard across the grid.

Yes, I see that, how interesting!

Seems they are done for the day, as well.

I really wish that people would just quit attacking each other and put thier frustration squarely where it belongs - on Linden Labs; and I don't mean the individual Lindens working through this mess.

I haven't felt like I could talk for or about the owner of the much maligned golf course. I will say I am glad he said something himself. I have been interested in plot near his and had a chance to speak with him. I didn't know him before this nor have I researched him. I did mention the controversy over adult content and he and I discussed it reasonably. I felt his reasoning was good and sound and it allied some of my misgiving. I was not yelled at or banned. I just wanted to present a different view.

Please people keep in mind that you don't always have all the facts. Not everyone chooses to put thier "adult" content blatently front and center. Many are not done with moves and will be adding skybox stores above thier homes or gardens. Some will always run thier smut behind a polite exterior. LL is supposed to be the ones judging qualifications for the move.

Now this is not to say completely ignore something that looks blatently gamed, but surely there is a better way to approach it then to send berating IMs to those you feel are the offenders. One thing I have heard several times is that owners of large plots that got in early have been harrassed. I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping an eye on this process... but the lynch mob mentality is disturbing. It doesn't bode well for any kind of community feeling or neighborly love. That is what I think I will hate most about this move. I have worked in my current sim to contribute to community feeling... and don't like the idea of loosing it in this move.

In the "commercial" only , as a very low traffic area for the past 6-8 months and even lower the past 2-3 under 100! and not a ton of content, as when this came about I removed things tried to pull back and look at my plans... see if I could work around the mature rating .. I can't not with my plans .. I can keep a live music place even have it nude I guess .. but some things will have to go (its part open air and part inside and inside is only 3 walls and a roof! ) so I figure I will be denied as non commercial.. but will see hopefully the ad's will be the key they have been the same for over a year!

before I realized it, I would have been better off going through with them and adding even more. I didn't put stuff back left the stuff that is still "adult" and the ads are for sure so that should be my ticket .. but the way things are going I bet its not in my favor .. .

EDIT to add :
Mick I land marked your place at the gate on the road (couldn't get one on your land) as it looks like it is going to be a nice course, weather its nude balls or not can't wait to see ir completed

No where any where have I seen it say you are required X amount of traffic to be considered commercial

Also nowhere have I seen it say you must process X amount of L to be considered a buisness

In fact you state 'Free sex' when describing your land and I belive you can easily put club on the end of that statement which when you listen to blondin:

[16:29] Blondin Linden: [16:29] Renzo Goodliffe: [16:03] Renzo Goodliffe: Are Non-Commercial Public Adult content or Services on Mainland are allowed to benefit from a Free swap to ZIndra too ? In particular, do Free Sex Public Clubs have the same rights for a swap than Escort Clubs? If not, how do you justify it ? ANSWER: How is a free sex public club not commericial? How do they get new memebers?

Means you get a free swap!!

And don't worry any typos I've made Pep will surely point them out!

Edit: But make sure you pay that 30L a week to advertise becuase as best as Ican tell that's one big factor

A golf course is still a golf course.
If you had decided to no longer be in the Adult Content business then you had no reason to be forced into Zindra. And that parcel could have gone to someone that had no choice but to move because of their business.

Think on social structures. It is normal that (for example) the upper-class is playing a round golf, making some business-networking blabla while that and celebrating upcoming deals while a drink at the golf-club bar and then moving together to the ladies in the whirlpools in a luxury brothel near by to end a day at the green.

For example, or for: playful imagination, hahaha.

Even golfers have a sex-life beside their boring family life, LOL!

The real world does not know an "adult continent". To make things ridiculous, complicated and to blast all organic and pulsating common metropolitan/cosmopolitan complex structures which we know as modern life, is only the fault of the top 4-5 "Lindens".

We can stop to jump on each other and we can stop to jump and trample on Blondin or Jack. These both Lindens are tricky and they play cat and mouse with us, no doubts, but they are only tools of the upper management. It is necessary for them to be loyal to the heads, otherwise: fired.

The dead fish stinks from the head, as we say here in Austria.

The heads at the Lab are the targets for any critics! They messed up our whole year 2009 while eating our time and money and patience and freedom and maybe the whole thing which we knowed as our world and our imagination. The bosses at the Lab created this dead born plan.

Their biz-hallucinations and self-hypnosis are the real reasons for the whole mess, that people are forced to leave property, to hunt new land, to move, to re-build, to hang compressed on Zindra while the thousands of other mainland owners have to pay double (means later, if they want to move too to have some freedom back, they have to buy new land and leaving old land behind), later when the rush is over and the auctions and the land market will be the only chance to get some freedom back for the non-commercial and maybe not very adult or not constantly very adult playing Second Lifers with creative and open minds.

There is no need to start civil wars, while the real opponent is sitting on top of the mountain, smiling.

Mark Kingdon as CEO, also Rosedale and the board-people are the targets for our critics and no other folks.

This is what I think.

They had a chance to make a strict PG thing available as *free choice* for some strict PG fans and to let the mainland as it was, but without bots, adfarms, 16sqm parcels and without the mess of lost things in the air.

This is what we suggested from the first minute on - more or less.

Managment said no, or didn't listen, so here we are, but it is all not the fault of this or that residents.

We should concentrate rage and critics on LL's top heads, because from there comes the mess.

Lias, that golf course is mine, my wife's adult content will be where she chooses to put it on that land. If anyone else has personal issues with how we use our land, that we qualified for, and pay tier on, please feel free to drop by and give us your opinion directly.

I absolutely love how I am offending jealous whiners in this thread, over the current lack of content on my land while I am in the building phase. It's deja vu all over again, with the self-righteous a-holes with opinions about how I used my old mainland.

The course is only one of the four sim parcels we got in our swap, and what, when, and where we build on our property is no one's business.

Me too, like we told those accusing people of sex crimes on other strings, don't assume on the behalf of others.



Yeh, the more we fight the more we limit each other and they less they will have to give us if we've decided this and this and this type of person doesn't deserve a swap.

Basically all mature people deserve their swap, commercial or not, mature land owners have paid for the adult ratings already.

What we should focus on is making sure that LL are held to account for *all* mature land and that the mature AR process is looked into, as many mature activities will become AR-able.

Id people are left or choose to stay on the current mainland, the AR process needs to be altered to fit the ratings they have now, not the ones they want to enforce which basically devalue the land long term, as less activity is allowed on it.

I think you may have failed to appreciate the implications of "Do not bother to consider [,,,]the fact that I have removed over 8000 prim worth of extremely sexually explicit content from my main land parcels."

Many people, you may recall, were expressing concern in other threads that they owned a lot of land with no sexual content -- very little content at all, in fact -- in order to support a far smaller parcel that contained a lot of content that was both sexual and very primmy, Their concern was that they'd be allowed to swop the small area containing the sexual content, but not the larger areas which provided the prims necessary to sustain that content, and they were reassured by Blondin and others that they'd be able to move all their lands if they wanted to.

Looks to me as if we have an example of this right here. What order things get built in, or how the low-prim areas get landscaped, is neither here nor there.

Mick I have many parcels also. But I only use 1500 meters for adult content on the mainland - so I put in a ticket for 1500 meters in Zindra. You get it? Because I could do like you and apply for 26,000 meters and move everything - but that is not fair to the others that have content that HAS to move and their business' are on stand-by waiting for land to become available in Zindra. You get it? A golf course is not adult content and did not have to move at this moment.
From his profile the Adult Content he had was an escort service. The primmy business is the vehicle business he owns (and they are nice vehicles) But they are not adult content.

For all who missed the event:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Jack_Linden:_07-09-2009

I am too lazy to search it, but it is all documented in different forums and I think on slapt.me too, Blondin said it often enough along the 4 months:

It was a very early decision by Linden Lab that residents can hold their things together and moving all their land and content structures. It is legitmate and also logical too, to not cut holes in ones property which is often multi-themed.

It is in no way unfair to do this. It is very common that a resident has the whole spectrum on land: PG, Mature and Adult. Also we, as humans, have the whole spectrum in ourselfs...and it can change spontaneous every single second of our life and even Second Life...

This thing - the ACP - plan by LL is a whole nightmare by itself, but it would be an ubernightmare if people would be forced to deconstruct all their complex structures and expressions into freckles and pieces.

If you decided to move only your adult zone, then it is your decision. It would be not unfair if you would have moved *all* your land.

Other people moved what they are allowed to move by LL and LL allows to move all land one owns.

If you don't like it, then shoot in direction LL.

I think there are a lot of people on here that are frustrated at the way the process is being done, I do think that spreading lies and private ims in notecards to anyone they can is wrong and of course breaking TOS rules, Tumbleweed did just that last night, in a spiteful and unnecessary attack because she has not had her claim dealt with yet. I thought we were a community and and as such we help each other and support, and should be pleased as people get their parcels. Please tell me someone, what is to be gained by all this spiteful attacks on people that are just trying to run a sl business the same as the next person. I find it very sad that the offer of free land by Linden has managed to bring out the worst in some people. For the record our claim went in at 4 minutes past,

I guess your right. I did not set my multi-facted business up like that. I always kept my Adult Content away from my other properties. But I can understand that some did not.
But I think the Lindens should have maybe looked at that decision and realize that it would be exploited.

Another thing that matters is that if mature people are left on the mainland, they may not want to buy as much adult stuff unless they are safe to use it on their land. which in the current climate, they aren't.

And in the long run that's bad for biz.

That is a good point, about sales on mature land, although in the shops still open, waiting to move there is still a flow of customers visiting.

I am laughing at the negative interest in our property. First of all, I usually tell people who stick their nose in *my* business to K.M.A., and other profanities, but I will keep it simple as I can. You are not in a position to argue points about what I do, or have done, based on minimal info in an old irrelevant ad on my husband's profile.

Get this. My adult business was much more than an old escort service, and occupied pretty much all of the area meters we requested. We didn't move a golf course. He built one for the first time. It's our land. To do with..As-We-Please. You get it? My adult content HAD to move, and did. Get it? I don't give a rat's butt about what anyone else got, or didn't get. Get over it.