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Most of the people who need a swap will never GET a swap, they'll have to buy Adult mainland from you guys at no doubt exorbitant prices. And that's when the REAL Charlie Foxtrot will start. What you're seeing now is just the beginning.

Argent why will they not get a swap, are these people currently renting, I am not sure I understood that, and surely the auctions will be a far process, although I have worries it will be another Bay City, where even 512 plot went for huge prices, out of the reach of most people, including me. I hear Linden have stopped people flipping Adult land and that is good to hear, I saw a peice for some huge amount of money, infact thought I needed glasses, there was so many zero's

Because they're not commercial, or venues, they're just people who bought Mature mainland when that meant what Adult mainland means now, and are having their parcels reclassified under them.

EVERYONE who asks for a swap should get one, without limit or means test. And it should be an actual swap, none of this "here, have some free land". Of course that's not going to happen, instead we've got the current situation where people who are willing to game the system can porn up their land and get a free ride, and people who are playing by the rules get screwed.

Given that, is it any wonder people ARE gaming the system? Linden Labs policy is again a demonstration of the law of unintended consequences.

There is simple and easy no alternative to the idea to make it: good, better, the best, instead of bad.

Target should be, to make the best mainland continent ever with much diversity and a lot of anything and lifestyles. This is good for the mood, the business, the customers, the residential and artisitic things there, plus aaaaaaaaaaall the sexy things, and for all who want to join later too - for whatever reason.

In best event it will be the freedom continent 2.0. Bohemian wonderland, or something.

Even for marketing reasons it is the most important thing, to have a good, sympathic easy going atmospere there, beside the attractions.

Okay I understand, well we have a huge amount of mature land, that is still going to remain mature, once the adult content is removed, I am assuming Mature is going to allow people the privacy to do in their homes what they want, and that it is the hardcore Adult content that has to be removed? Would hate to think that was not the case, and that actually Mature is only a slightly dressed up version of PG, we have them too, but will not be buying anymore pg, for sure,

Sometimes things might not always be as they appear, I acted on those appearances, inappropriately perhaps.

I'm sorry if this is the case

I put in a ticket a week ago to swap some of my land around during the downtime. It would have freed up some river frontage for someone who wanted it and would have given me a more usable plot in another sim. win-win I would have thought.

After almost a week they've finally got back to me to tell me that they won't do it.




pity, since the land I want is still unassigned and it would have been a 10 minute job.

The moral here is chose carefully and don't just take what it offered if they don't have what you originally asked for.

Sometimes things are not as they appear, and I may have acted inappropriately on those appearances.

It's not a defense but this situation has me sitting and waiting, and nothing else to do.

My apologies to you and yours Soar

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Thank you Tumbleweed, I do understand you are frustrated, because when I first spoke to you and said hello, you sounded so angry and aggressive in your speech, I assumed we had the land you wanted, I look at other people and am not sure why we were picked on, out of almost 9 sims it is just half of one sim that is being relocated, and I gather if we wanted to have everything here that seems to be happening with some people, but that is not how we do business, and we the same as many other people will go to the auctions when they come up to purchase any extra land if we need it or can afford it, lol.

I really hope you have sorted out your land now and if not it happens soon, what time did you put your ticket in?

Soar

Consenting adults in private is exactly that - for the moment. In theory this means that even ubiquitous things like hot tubs needs to be moved inside if they have any animation more raunchy than a hug (maybe a kiss - but we're talking edge case here). The change to policy means the scope of what the land can be used for has been reduced both for personal use and any potential commercial use. Mature can host galleries, clubs (with no pixel bumping) and skin shops.

As for only moving hardcore, well I actually object to being called hardcore. In the circumstances the public perception of what has moved is completely at odds with the reality, it's simply not pure hardcore or porn and the sims purveying violence are still allowed free reign on the mainland proper.

The original policy they put out in march did show that mature was only slightly more permissive than pg. It's been modified since then but because the terms are so woolly they've left themselves enough wriggle room to apply it as stictly as they wish. If you have a look at the rules for sl6b you'll get a very good idea of what their idea is - they used that original KB article.

I will log in now and get mine and it will go on the land as soon as we have it allocated to us

Thanks

the main difficulty is that LL has been trying to make things as opaque as possible, leading to an atmosphere of mistrust.

Add to that a few people gaming the system, a couple instances of favoritism, and a swap process that runs ahead of itself more often than not, and you get a *bunch* of people getting the sneaking suspicion that they are being screwed.

People who think that they are being screwed are seldom paragons of tolerance and patience. Granted, people should be a little more tolerant of folks who got their requests in in the first ten minutes, but folks who did need to be a little tolerant of the situation facing those who got theirs in at 10:11 and later.

Answering a suspicious IM with a simple "I got my request in at 10:03, and I haven't put up my adult content/my shop is in a skybox i haven't built yet" would put a stop to a lot of this wild speculation, and remind people that the people who *caused* this trauma-fest is Linden Labs,

That said- Anyone who is offering their parcels for sale before the swap is concluded, at least until their two-week move period has expired and they have paid Tier on the land is jumping the gun.
Trades between zindra landowners to consolidate parcels is one thing- selling some of your land to a "SL real estate agent"/land flipper is another. Zindra is currently available to those who have submitted swap tickets. land shouldn't get *sold* untill LL opens the auctions.

That's the time-line that LL has put forward- It isn't what any of us wanted, but since those are the rules, we should all play by the same set.

That includes nuking anyone who gets land on pretense/fakery, and an at least rudimentary regime of checking out the swap requests.
For example, no linden came to check out our parcel (at least according to our visitor tracker)- we had metric tons of adult content of course, but the point is, I don't think anyone checked. and all of our land was in one area (plusia and a little in the sim next door, but contiguous to the main chunk) we were *easy* to check.
LL needs to take a look at what content people have before they move, nad at what they are doing with the land *after* they get it.
If a linden shows up and sees that the land that they awarded is now reparceled for sale at a hundred k per 4096m maybe they should revoke that swap as having been under false pretenses.

That said, LL should also bend over backward to make sure that people who are swapping get land they can *use*, and be receptive to requests for a trade for something else. (and hopefully extend the swap offer to everyone with mature land)

^V^

I've argued all along that *all* Mature Mainland owners should be eligible for a swap. And yes, the ones who really have grounds to complain are those who are excluded altogether. I've been in and out of adult businesses of various sorts several times on the same Mature land, so those who might someday want to get into something Adult are going to have to pay to do that now, and it's not fair that they should have to pay again when the Mature land they bought had that ability when they bought it.

FWIW, I don't think the prices will be extortionate. Oh, I'm sure the usual con artists (the ones with adfarmer alts) will try to play the same dumb scams they're running on Nautilus and Bay City, but I don't think it will work on Zindra, at all. There's just too damned much of it--even more now that they've rushed more sims onto the landmass. Depending how LL manages the auction queue, I now think that the price premium for Adult mainland will be negligible.

Not that Mature will be worth anything. It's a race to the bottom, as far as I can tell.

I was neither angry, or aggressive. Frustrated certainly, curious mostly.

My ticket is a 10:12 one

A friend had to post it, had never done one before, and had to split up my notecard and shuffle it around to fit the format.

Regardless of why it took longer, the first come first serve, and nearly any other way to do it would be unfair. Possibly filling them by size would be acceptable in some cases, as I just watched the top choice in my second set of choices get blocked by a 4600 meters parcel. and before that a first and second choice of the first round, same thing happened.

And in rough guessing the amounts of "likely first chosen" lands I won't get any of them in this second round, and quite likely a third.

Linden Labs, when you said you were going to make this as painless as possible, you didn't mean it, right? You meant as painFUL as possible, surely!

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Oh, no doubt about it. I even question that those owning ANY land should be compensated somehow if the way they can use their land changes at all.

Are we still looking at a possible bait and switch? Maybe it's more like a "sell and swap"

By the way, what plans are in place to have people "sign" the new ToS, Linden Labs?

anyone notice that jack has a much higher answer/question ratio than blondin? I bet he plays a lot of "trivial pursuit"

^V^

Hi Tumble, I know that our first second and third choices were not available, and then a long evening was spent gathering 512 and 1024 pieces near each other to make one application for the next three choices, and I can smile now but it was very frustrating at the time, we watched a linden come along and just take them from under our noses, felt like giving up at that stage, we are all tired I think, I know that trying to find another three choices was difficult, some of the land was not parceled and when you asked no one was sure if it was availble or not. I am seeing a lot of abandoned land now. I assume as choices changed. The newer continent seems to have lots of land though and none of it appears to be saved, also I am assuming that another area further down is about to come online?

I must admit to being quite concerned re mature land from discussions this morning, have watched prices falling dramatically, and while that might encourage sales, what you can do with it seems to be qestionable

Many people's homes are a stretch of woodland, rather nice looking woodland, with no walls. Because that's what they bought the rights to live in. But now they'll have to mess it up with ugly walls of some kind... or move to an Adult region.

Oh, surely someone can produce a flag that doesn't look that damn ugly.

I am looking at those southern sims, and putting two and two together...

That area of the southeast from Gurumachi to Loamford...

Pre-made? One is already spoken for by a Real Estate agent?

Cannot access them and a full sim purposefully placed between them and the areas we CAN access?

Should I shuffle THOSE sims off my choice list?

Actually, person to person sales are not happening that much, precisely because no one is sure what one may do any more on mature rated parcels. People who are desperate to tier down are selling for bot buy prices, and that is pretty cheap now a days.

Remember, when you see prices at 2.1 per sq. m. that those are parcels that are not generally selling. The ones moving are going to bots at a much lower price. The bots move in so fast that those parcels never last long enough to go to search land.

It is questionable, in my mind, whether one can expect a large second Zindra migration. Will people sell mature land at a major loss, then turn around and purchase Zindra parcels at premium prices?

In the end, adult content creators may end up with no market for their goods, although I would expect adult services to thrive.

I am logged in, let me see how far it is possible to tp, I never reaslised some had been allocated?

See what you mean, but how do you know some is allocated already, and if so how, if it is not open yet, and Real Estate Agent? how is that Adult content in any way or form?